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[Tooneyman]

Mallissin wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

KnotEngaged wrote...

Oh hey, it's this same thread again. Look, the developers have repeatedly stated, usually in roundabout fashion, that Shepard is not and never will be able to engaged in gay/lesbian relationships.

Kelly Chambers disagrees.

Kelly is omnisexual. She loves to hump anything that walks on more than and including two legs.

YEAH EXCEPT THERE IS NO LOVE SCENE WITH HER JUST THE STRIP pull!

[Xaijin]

screwoffreg wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

America might have been better off staying a British colony.

I take it you're British?

You'd get wry humor and general bitterness in exchange for losing your religious fundamentalism.  Think of the benefits.

Kinda already there.

[The Angry One]

Seagloom wrote...
The only differences between genders in both these games are the ocassional flirtatious comment the player can make if that character is truly romanceable. The whole thing strikes me as a way to avoid extra voice over and writing fees.

Unlikely since Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale both did *all* of each other's romance specific dialog in both games.
It's easily seen in ME1, not very accessable in ME2 but the voice files are there.
The real reasons are almost certainly marketing related.

[Azint]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Azint wrote...
If a character is not interested, that is fine. If the same character uses the same lines regardless of gender, even coming across as filirtatious, it does raise eyebrows.

But it's a shortcut, not an issue of writing or of the character.

I never said I had a problem with the writing itself, but the shortcut does come off as jarring.

[Onyx Jaguar]

RyrineaNara wrote...

This is why I vote for the Liberals at least they don't tell us WHAT sexuality we have to be. Major Face palms


Puritans.taking the fun out of everything lol.

Oh please, don't blame it on the Purtians!  That would be like blaming Liberalism on the Quakers!  Puritians just set the cultural foundation.  For the most part.

[screwoffreg]

To be honest its rather a nice distraction to argue about a videogame characters sexuality rather than the utter dreariness of the real world around us.

[Tooneyman]

screwoffreg wrote...

To be honest its rather a nice distraction to argue about a videogame characters sexuality rather than the utter dreariness of the real world around us.

It all comes together eventually!

[Kalypto]

[WilliamShatner]

Bollox, bollox and more bollox.

It's amazing how these people can talk so much and say nothing at all.  Be straight forward and to the point for flub's sake.  Is that too much?

If I were the interviewer I'd ask Muzyka did he even listen to the question because he answer had NOTHING to do with it. 

[danitiwa]

That image.
I lol'd.

Modifié par danitiwa, 05 avril 2010 - 11:15 .

[RyrineaNara]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

This is why I vote for the Liberals at least they don't tell us WHAT sexuality we have to be. Major Face palms


Puritans.taking the fun out of everything lol.

Oh please, don't blame it on the Purtians!  That would be like blaming Liberalism on the Quakers!  Puritians just set the cultural foundation.  For the most part.

I changed the Puritans too  the Fundamentals.

is that ok with you? 

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 05 avril 2010 - 11:15 .

[the_one_54321]

The Angry One wrote...

Seagloom wrote...
The only differences between genders in both these games are the ocassional flirtatious comment the player can make if that character is truly romanceable. The whole thing strikes me as a way to avoid extra voice over and writing fees.

Unlikely since Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale both did *all* of each other's romance specific dialog in both games.
It's easily seen in ME1, not very accessable in ME2 but the voice files are there.
The real reasons are almost certainly marketing related.

That sounds rather that they decided not to spend money on animating it. Animation is also incredibly time consuming.

[Onyx Jaguar]

RyrineaNara wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

This is why I vote for the Liberals at least they don't tell us WHAT sexuality we have to be. Major Face palms


Puritans.taking the fun out of everything lol.

Oh please, don't blame it on the Purtians!  That would be like blaming Liberalism on the Quakers!  Puritians just set the cultural foundation.  For the most part.

I changed the Puritans too  the Fundamentalism

Thats impressive

[Homebound]

The Angry One wrote...

Everything new that we add still requires extra content. Some people might argue in a case like that you could just have the same kinds of scenes that just work with different characters. But we wouldn't really want to have it that way. You'd want to take a proper approach to designing those scenes, otherwise you'd see the same scene.

Kaidan and Ashley would like a word with you...

If Femshep romanced Liara and Kaiden and chose Liara, BOTh Liara and Femshep act like it was MaleShep dumping Ashley! FemShep even refers to Kaidan by Ashley's name and says how tough she is.  O_o 

And as far as "choices" go in this game, choose left or right, both paths pretty much lead to the same thing..

EDIT: Whats the big deal about the Romance sub-plots anyways? No matter who you choose, so far, the whole experience has been nothing but empty. Unless it's Tali.

Modifié par Just_mike, 05 avril 2010 - 11:18 .

[CShep25]

KnotEngaged wrote...

Oh hey, it's this same thread again. Look, the developers have repeatedly stated, usually in roundabout fashion, that Shepard is not and never will be able to engaged in gay/lesbian relationships. Fan anger is not going to change this, so let's just let it go. Call it bad writing, discrimination, laziness, fear of mainstream backlash, or whatever else you want it won't change the fact that gay relationships won't happen. Sorry, but can we just accept this and move on.

This. Honestly, it's one thing to err your complaints and criticsms about the game. Lord knows I point out my issues with the game, but the same sex argument has been brought up time and again. Bioware knows your stance on the matter. It's time to stop pestering them about it and let them decide what to do about it. Annoying them with frequent posts on righteous outrage at not having the option is not helping the cause. At the end of the day, ME3 is their game; not yours, and they'll make it how they like. The best you can do is let them know how you feel and move on.

[screwoffreg]

Tooneyman wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

To be honest its rather a nice distraction to argue about a videogame characters sexuality rather than the utter dreariness of the real world around us.

It all comes together eventually!

How are we going to connect Tali's secret gayness with the video of bombing civilians in Iraq? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[jlb524]

The thing that gets me is, there is lesbian sex references in the game already. However, I feel these are used in some pretty damn offensive ways.



First, there's the Kelly Chambers fling that devs have pretty much stated isn't serious. Plus, just look at how much respect she gets on these forums as a bisexual woman. Way to positively represent bisexual women, BW!



Second, you have Jack mentioning past sexual relationships with women. Is it because she's seriously attracted to women? No!! She's straight or something! It seems like it's just there to make her past seem more 'edgier' and 'troubled'. 'Oh, look! She's such a bad girl! She's straight but she used to sleep with WOMEN!! *gasp* Don't worry fellas, she's over that phase in her life and only needs a studly man now!!'



Don't even get me started on the Morinth/Nef thing.

[enormousmoonboots]

Bioware wrote...



IT WOULD SCARE THE GEARS OF WAR AND HALO KIDS AND WHAT WOULD WE DO WITHOUT THEIR MONEY??

Nice job, guys.



To people saying that not everyone needs to be gay/bi: of course! It would be strange if everyone was. But the problem is, there's NOBODY. The only gay content in the Mass Effect games is thanks to the asari, and Bioware already tries to cover their ass and say they're not actually asexual (despite the fact that's not even what asexual means and their the in-game Codex says they're female). But somehow, the wonderfully tolerant future where there is no human racism and even interspecies relationships are accepted has ZERO homosexuality. The games set in medieval Europe and ancient China analogs had more gay content than Mass Effect, the far future largely populated with aliens who have radically different sexual mores. There aren't even gay NPC couples, and you'd think the fact that there are only human and quarian female models would result in some of the background pairings being turian/turian or salarian/salarian. But no, apparently all aliens go by conservative 20th century America when it comes to sexuality. That make sense to you? If there was a bisexual character who wasn't an asari--even better, a bisexual character who wasn't female--we'd be happy.

[Jonathan Shepard]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ah yes "homosexuality", we have dismissed that claim.
On a serious note, the answer is simple. Tali just doesn't swing that way. That would be the lore answer. Having homosexual options is fine. But making everyone bisexual just to please everyone is cheap.

You should be there PR guy now. Apparently, they feel too ashamed to come up with a decent answer.

[Mallissin]

screwoffreg wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

America might have been better off staying a British colony.

I take it you're British?

You'd get wry humor and general bitterness in exchange for losing your religious fundamentalism.  Think of the benefits.

We're not a nation of religious fundamentalism, that's a stereotype often repeated by bashers.

I'm not religious and I support keeping cursing and nudity out of content as much as possible. Cursing and nudity is okay if used for a purpose to conveige something, but otherwise people would just plaster it constantly out of laziness and greed. Both are cheap ways to get attention that might be okay in your country, we want to hold ourselves to a higher standard.

A standard that's made our content some of the most desired on the planet. So, I think we're doing something right.

Oh, and we have plenty of wry humor and general bitterness. Lookup John Stewart and Stephen Colbert.

Edit note: Frickin' copy/paste issues.

Modifié par Mallissin, 05 avril 2010 - 11:17 .

[RyrineaNara]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

This is why I vote for the Liberals at least they don't tell us WHAT sexuality we have to be. Major Face palms


Puritans.taking the fun out of everything lol.

Oh please, don't blame it on the Purtians!  That would be like blaming Liberalism on the Quakers!  Puritians just set the cultural foundation.  For the most part.

I changed the Puritans too  the Fundamentalism

Thats impressive

Lol

[GreedIsNoException]

I wish for Zaeed to have been an option as an LI, sadly nobody agrees. If Talimancers got Tali to be an LI, what's to stop them from making a huge uproar to conquer BioWare and make her bi? Heck I think in their way there they'd eliminate all other LI's...



Anyways that last part was a joke. It's strange that they just don't wanna give a firm answer, but when do bussinessmen ever do?

[The Angry One]

the_one_54321 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Seagloom wrote...
The only differences between genders in both these games are the ocassional flirtatious comment the player can make if that character is truly romanceable. The whole thing strikes me as a way to avoid extra voice over and writing fees.

Unlikely since Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale both did *all* of each other's romance specific dialog in both games.
It's easily seen in ME1, not very accessable in ME2 but the voice files are there.
The real reasons are almost certainly marketing related.

That sounds rather that they decided not to spend money on animating it. Animation is also incredibly time consuming.

Um. If you want to be lazy you can just replace the models.
You can do that now, get a save editor just before a sex scene, change gender, there you go.

[Loerwyn]

Seagloom wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Tali is extremely nervous about entering into a relationship with Shepard both being her respected CO and not being a Quarian.
Tali, as written, would not joke about such a thing with FemShep if she didn't intend to take it further.

The fact that she does is called poor writing.

I just wanted to chime in with this: it isn't poor writing. It's cutting corners. BioWare has done this before. They've been doing it ever since KotOR. Bastila's friendship track was almost identical regardless of your Jedi's gender before it suddenly cut off at some point for females. Then Jade Empire repeated this with Dawn Star. I remember thinking she was coming on to my character because her dialogue was starting to get suggestive, only to see it suddenly... die, conveniently when Sky and Silk Fox rolled around. I tried it with a male then, and it was identical except Dawn Star's dialogue went into a full blown romance after the cutoff point for females. The only differences between genders in both those games were an ocassional flirtatious comment the player can make if that character is truly romanceable for them. The whole thing strikes me as a way to avoid extra voice over and writing fees.

That tangent aside, this is typical. As someone wrote earlier, the doctors always give the same typical responses. I don't blame them. They need to maintain a certain image and avoid making comments to the press that can bite them later somehow. Unfortunately this means we are unlikely to ever get the blunt answer would most prefer. As far as what I took from Casey and Ray's responses? I'm not surprised. It's about what I would expect.

So true.
I read both responses and saw no real answer to the question. If the soundfiles are in existence AND if it's possible to 'start' a romance (like Tali in ME2 with FemShep) but not continue, then BioWare have failed in some manner. I understand things can be cut in development, but something as obvious as talking to Tali is just a sign of BioWare not doing their job. If Tali is not romancable for FemShep, there should be no dialogue of that manner accessible to FemShep as it wouldn't fit Tali's character.
They recorded the dialogue for ME1 and didn't use it, so *why* did they make the same "mistake" with ME2? It's just stupid.