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[the_one_54321]

The Angry One wrote...
Um. If you want to be lazy you can just replace the models.
You can do that now, get a save editor just before a sex scene, change gender, there you go.

Well they were willing to be lazy with the dialog, but they claimed they didn't want to be lazy with the animated scenes. Take that as you will.

[Homebound]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Bioware wrote...

IT WOULD SCARE THE GEARS OF WAR AND HALO KIDS AND WHAT WOULD WE DO WITHOUT THEIR MONEY??

Nice job, guys.

To people saying that not everyone needs to be gay/bi: of course! It would be strange if everyone was. But the problem is, there's NOBODY.

*cough*KAIDEN*cough*

[danitiwa]

screwoffreg wrote...

danitiwa wrote...

I don't think you one should whine that much considering how many conservative people there are out on this planet, Bioware seems to be doing their best to balance all audiences, they did make Liara a homosexual option in ME1, but sadly they can't be too bold with content in the games, because they'd loose a lot of profit. That's just the way it is, lots of idiots who refuse to realize games are good even though they contain things that are different from what they're used to. Stupid fanbois who go and immediately label the game series as "GHEY".

Not that I give much of a **** about those people, but Bioware has to earn a good amount of money so they can keep making these wonderful games. Otherwise, no ME, personally I'd rather have straight, less provocative ME than no ME at all.

There is no substantive proof they'd lose a lot of profit though.  ME 1 still was a big success DESPITE the media attention.  Hell, it probably helped if anything.  Look at all the bad hype for Grand Theft Auto and no one gave two craps and they are huge games.

I understand Bioware's new position, though.  In the past they were strictly a PC RPG maker.  In those days, Baldurs Gate II selling 2,000,000 copies in its lifetime was a big deal.  Now they can push 2,000,000 copies of ME 2 in what, a week?  The sad thing is, as companies consolidate into bigger companies (Bioware into EA), there is less and less competition or differing voices.  Other than Bioware and maybe Square, who the hell makes serious RPG's anymore?

That said, doesn't mean we have to like it. 

Nyeah but far as I know there wasn't any main character homosexuality in GTA, maybe some side-characters who were, but never serious, meaningful gay relationships.
You'd be amazed at the homophobia everywhere, it's not visible but there's more than one might think. "Gay people are agents of satan, closet vampires bla bla bla" I knew Christian kids like that.

What's very odd is that the boys in my class used to call Tomb Raider gay, when miss Croft is deliberately designed to evoke male hormones, so maybe it's not a homophobia related issue. Just stupidity.

[screwoffreg]

I wish we lived in an era of closet vampires and what not. That might be interesting.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Oh look, it's this topic again.



This one had some potential, though, because Caliban made it. But alas, the community has already derailed it.

[RyrineaNara]

Mallissin wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

America might have been better off staying a British colony.

I take it you're British?

You'd get wry humor and general bitterness in exchange for losing your religious fundamentalism.  Think of the benefits.

We're not a nation of religious fundamentalism, that's a stereotype often repeated by bashers.

I'm not religious and I support keeping cursing and nudity out of content as much as possible. Cursing and nudity is okay if used for a purpose to conveige something,
but otherwise people would just plaster it constantly out of laziness
and greed. Both are cheap ways to get attention that might be okay in your country, we want to hold ourselves to a higher standard.

A standard that's made our content some of the most desired on the planet. So, I think we're doing something right.

Oh, and we have plenty of wry humor and general bitterness. Lookup John Stewart and Stephen Colbert.

How is  America not a nation of Fundamentalism?  Hell, I live in America and I call bs on this. If this country wasn't bult to go too the Fundamentalism part of America we would have Sex Sex Marriages all ready. >.< 

Yeah right! John Stewart, Stephen Colbert yeah the french guy, and both are liberals face palms.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 05 avril 2010 - 11:27 .

[screwoffreg]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Oh look, it's this topic again.

This one had some potential, though, because Caliban made it. But alas, the community has already derailed it.

How else would this turn out? It's like a Shakespearian drama.  No matter the venue, it plays out the same.

[The Angry One]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

They recorded the dialogue for ME1 and didn't use it, so *why* did they make the same "mistake" with ME2? It's just stupid.

Apparently they just have both actors record both dialog so they don't have to check if anything's missing later.
Or some such. Not sure if this is standard procedure for voice acting but there it is.

[RyrineaNara]

Just_mike wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Bioware wrote...

IT WOULD SCARE THE GEARS OF WAR AND HALO KIDS AND WHAT WOULD WE DO WITHOUT THEIR MONEY??

Nice job, guys.

To people saying that not everyone needs to be gay/bi: of course! It would be strange if everyone was. But the problem is, there's NOBODY.

*cough*KAIDEN*cough*

I'm just going too post this here

[Onyx Jaguar]

RyrineaNara wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

America might have been better off staying a British colony.

I take it you're British?

You'd get wry humor and general bitterness in exchange for losing your religious fundamentalism.  Think of the benefits.

We're not a nation of religious fundamentalism, that's a stereotype often repeated by bashers.

I'm not religious and I support keeping cursing and nudity out of content as much as possible. Cursing and nudity is okay if used for a purpose to conveige something,
but otherwise people would just plaster it constantly out of laziness
and greed. Both are cheap ways to get attention that might be okay in your country, we want to hold ourselves to a higher standard.

A standard that's made our content some of the most desired on the planet. So, I think we're doing something right.

Oh, and we have plenty of wry humor and general bitterness. Lookup John Stewart and Stephen Colbert.

What is this Amrica that is a nation of Fundametalism?  Hell,I live in america and I call bs on this. If this country wasn't bult to go too the Fundametalism part of America we would have Sex Sex Mariges all ready. >.< 

Yeah right! John Stewart, Stephen Colbert yeah the freach guy, an a liberal guy face palms agains

Its much easier to break it down to a state by state basis.  Think of America as a republic of independent states.  

[Xaijin]

Caliban made it?



roflmao.



Didn't make anything.



Both "sides" are simply reiterating subjective interpretations and value judgments made like three years ago.



"Not the one"

[Tooneyman]

screwoffreg wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

To be honest its rather a nice distraction to argue about a videogame characters sexuality rather than the utter dreariness of the real world around us.

It all comes together eventually!

How are we going to connect Tali's secret gayness with the video of bombing civilians in Iraq? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Question answered I love this pic!

[screwoffreg]

Honestly as someone mentioned earlier this might not exist as a criticism if the relationships in ME were deeper to begin with. The reason people harp on romance options is because if you don't have one with a character, then there isn't much to say to them in ME 2. The conversation cuts off abruptly if you aren't sleeping with someone. At least DA had the friendship and "I think you are my sister/closest friend warden"

[Seagloom]

The Angry One wrote...

Unlikely since Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale both did *all* of each other's romance specific dialog in both games.
It's easily seen in ME1, not very accessable in ME2 but the voice files are there.
The real reasons are almost certainly marketing related.

In the case of Mass Effect that is almost certainly true, and I think it's obvious why there are no same sex romances based on this news story and past dev comments. Anyone trying to find a truly noble justification for that is deluding themselves. It obviously comes down to marketability. However, the approach of writing one size fits all dialogue and then suddenly cutting it off if your character can't romance a certain NPC isn't new for BioWare. That was the point I was trying to make.

Getting Meer and Hale to voice everything is still cutting corners. It's just a less drastic version of it. If memory serves, the dialogue for a male Shepard romancing Kaidan or female Shepard with Ashley were practically interchangable to the heterosexual paths. If that isn't corner cutting, I don't know what is.

Modifié par Seagloom, 05 avril 2010 - 11:28 .

[IccaRa]

The Angry One wrote...

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

They recorded the dialogue for ME1 and didn't use it, so *why* did they make the same "mistake" with ME2? It's just stupid.

Apparently they just have both actors record both dialog so they don't have to check if anything's missing later.
Or some such. Not sure if this is standard procedure for voice acting but there it is.

Aye, the VA read off a master script which has all the game dialog (including all romance dialog) IIRC.

[danitiwa]

the_one_54321



It's illogical that she would flirt with someone of the same sex, but not take it farther than that?



The copying of the dialog saves time and cash, same way that avoiding extra animated scenes saves cash.



The character was written, and the character clearly will make suggestive comments but not enter a relationship with another female.



Tali was written and that is who Tali is. And the dialog was structured in a way that saved them some money. The answer is very clear. And "logical." You just don't like it.

Sorry, but are we discussing the "linking suit environments"? Because that didn't seem flirty to me, it just seemed like Tali telling Shepard she has utmost respect for her. Doesn't necessarily mean Tali's interested in a relationship.

[Loerwyn]

The Angry One wrote...

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

They recorded the dialogue for ME1 and didn't use it, so *why* did they make the same "mistake" with ME2? It's just stupid.

Apparently they just have both actors record both dialog so they don't have to check if anything's missing later.
Or some such. Not sure if this is standard procedure for voice acting but there it is.

Sounds like a waste of time more than anything :s

[RyrineaNara]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

America might have been better off staying a British colony.

I take it you're British?

You'd get wry humor and general bitterness in exchange for losing your religious fundamentalism.  Think of the benefits.

We're not a nation of religious fundamentalism, that's a stereotype often repeated by bashers.

I'm not religious and I support keeping cursing and nudity out of content as much as possible. Cursing and nudity is okay if used for a purpose to conveige something,
but otherwise people would just plaster it constantly out of laziness
and greed. Both are cheap ways to get attention that might be okay in your country, we want to hold ourselves to a higher standard.

A standard that's made our content some of the most desired on the planet. So, I think we're doing something right.

Oh, and we have plenty of wry humor and general bitterness. Lookup John Stewart and Stephen Colbert.

What is this Amrica that is a nation of Fundametalism?  Hell,I live in america and I call bs on this. If this country wasn't bult to go too the Fundametalism part of America we would have Sex Sex Mariges all ready. >.< 

Yeah right! John Stewart, Stephen Colbert yeah the freach guy, an a liberal guy face palms agains

Its much easier to break it down to a state by state basis.  Think of America as a republic of independent states.  

Yeap it much easier tobreak it down state by state.  I saw a lot of errors in my post need too type slower next time.

[CShep25]

Mallissin wrote...

I'm not religious and I support keeping cursing and nudity out of content as much as possible. Cursing and nudity is okay if used for a purpose to conveige something, but otherwise people would just plaster it constantly out of laziness and greed. Both are cheap ways to get attention that might be okay in your country, we want to hold ourselves to a higher standard.

Cursing and nudity isn't cheap or of a 'lower standard'.

Stephen Fry agrees with me

[DirtyVagrant]

Why do people take the Tali wanting to link suits/environments with FemShep as suggestive? Raan and Tali's mother did the same thing, it wasn't like they DOING it while she was giving birth. It's a gesture of trust.

[Jonathan Shepard]

Mooner911 wrote...

I don't think having to write more code, create more graphics, and record more dialogue is a legitimate excuse. And Ray just plainly didn't answer the question.

Considering DA:O had at least three times as much content all packed onto one disc.

[Onyx Jaguar]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

They recorded the dialogue for ME1 and didn't use it, so *why* did they make the same "mistake" with ME2? It's just stupid.

Apparently they just have both actors record both dialog so they don't have to check if anything's missing later.
Or some such. Not sure if this is standard procedure for voice acting but there it is.

Sounds like a waste of time more than anything :s

Well, dialogue n eeds to be implemented properly in a scene.  Think of it as going in to record an album.  Say you record twenty tracks at 3 minutes a piece but you only have enough room to fill a vinyl.  So you cut out some of the tracks then work more on the ones that will be used on the album while allocating resources for the rest of the project.  In ME 1's case anyway they kind of used the same scene for the romances so they should have worked more on that I guess, but it was rushed.  I'm not defending them though.

[The Angry One]

RyrineaNara wrote...

[seawolf77]

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and GET A LIFE..... lol

purpose of this game, to altered your ego.. not your sexsual feelings. GOOSHHHH..

you people just need a fresh air, and stay out from this game for a bit. Go out.. call your GF if you have 1, or try to find 1.



i dont give a nickle if Shepard ghey or not. my parts, i dont care if shepard fall in love with a krogan.

IT JUST A GAME....



and here i am ROFLMAO @ yall..... bunch of digital sexofobian freaks.



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