And now we introduce the concept of subjective scene interpretation!danitiwa wrote...
Sorry, but are we discussing the "linking suit environments"? Because that didn't seem flirty to me, it just seemed like Tali telling Shepard she has utmost respect for her. Doesn't necessarily mean Tali's interested in a relationship.
The Angry One wrote...
RyrineaNara wrote...
Maria Caliban wrote...
From Kotaku
What follows is an excerpt from my full interview (where I also spoke with the doctors about their DLC strategy, the BioWare/Mythic group and the "tricks up their sleeves" for Mass Effect 3):
Me: Tali is my favorite character. But my Shepard is female and totally in love with her. Why can't my character engage in a romance with her? Why not have the option to have homosexual relations?
Casey Hudson: Everything new that we add still requires extra content. Some people might argue in a case like that you could just have the same kinds of scenes that just work with different characters. But we wouldn't really want to have it that way. You'd want to take a proper approach to designing those scenes, otherwise you'd see the same scene. So we kind of pulled back and looked at where we had to draw the line in terms of how much content we make. How much should we support? We actually added a lot more romance options because we have new characters and multiple options already in the romances. So we kind of pulled back and said, "Well, the love interest is part of the story and it helps you care about the characters in a different way." We still view it as... if you're picturing a PG-13 action movie. That's how we're trying to design it. So that's why the love interest is relatively light. ... That's another thing we did better than we did before. We really lock you into character. Tali is really interesting because the whole idea of her character and what she's concerned about and her experience and age — we kind of factor all those things, and we designed the love interests really around the particular characters because they're all quite different. So her (love scene) is a little more innocent and fun.
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Me: (Same question.)
Ray Muzyka: In all of BioWare's games to-date, we've enabled a lot of choice. So you look at games going back to Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate 2, Knights of the Old Republic, Neverwinter Nights, Dragon Age, of course... In future games we are going to enable more choice as well. That choice can come as a lot of things, it includes relationships, it includes having an impact on world events, among other things. It's an important part of our games.
Sometimes, in some of our games, we are going to have a defined character with a more defined view. Almost like a third-person narrative — where Mass Effect is more in that vein, Dragon Age isn't in that vein; you could see the differences between the two. It's just part of the design and the choices made for each game. It doesn't mean that we've in anyway changed our philosophy toward enabling choice. We love giving players choice, and we are going to continue to enable that for future games. That's a commitment for some of our franchises. For some other franchises we've had more defined characters and sort of approaches to things, and they've had a more defined personality and a more defined approach to the way they've proceed through the game and the world.
Some game franchises are going to be slightly different but that's part of our effort to diversify the portfolio and enable some franchises to have some more choice and some of them are around defining a more specific character, sort of a first-person versus third-person kind of narrative, but we know how important it is to our players to have that choice and we are going to continue to support that. We believe in diversity and we believe in enabling choices for our fans, it's important to us.
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What do you guys think?
seawolf77 wrote...
Damn folKs... there is a thing to solved all your problemos here
www.youporn.com
and GET A LIFE..... lol
purpose of this game, to altered your ego.. not your sexsual feelings. GOOSHHHH..
you people just need a fresh air, and stay out from this game for a bit. Go out.. call your GF if you have 1, or try to find 1.
i dont give a nickle if Shepard ghey or not. my parts, i dont care if shepard fall in love with a krogan.
IT JUST A GAME....
and here i am ROFLMAO @ yall..... bunch of digital sexofobian freaks.
PFFFTTTT.....
Modifié par RyrineaNara, 05 avril 2010 - 11:35 .
Because it's the exact same flirt dialog that male Shepard gets, with the exact same flirty responses that female Shepard gives.DirtyVagrant wrote...
Why do people take the Tali wanting to link suits/environments with FemShep as suggestive? Raan and Tali's mother did the same thing, it wasn't like they DOING it while she was giving birth. It's a gesture of trust.
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
Sounds more like an unpolished product to me.jlb524 wrote...
The thing that gets me is, there is lesbian sex references in the game already. However, I feel these are used in some pretty damn offensive ways.
First, there's the Kelly Chambers fling that devs have pretty much stated isn't serious. Plus, just look at how much respect she gets on these forums as a bisexual woman. Way to positively represent bisexual women, BW!
Second, you have Jack mentioning past sexual relationships with women. Is it because she's seriously attracted to women? No!! She's straight or something! It seems like it's just there to make her past seem more 'edgier' and 'troubled'. 'Oh, look! She's such a bad girl! She's straight but she used to sleep with WOMEN!! *gasp* Don't worry fellas, she's over that phase in her life and only needs a studly man now!!'
Don't even get me started on the Morinth/Nef thing.
Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 05 avril 2010 - 11:35 .
FataliTensei wrote...
when you take some of what they said by itself it can be considered downright offensive
Really? I didn't see how any of it could be offensive.
You act like writing in a video game can carry serious meaning or a message. It can't, unless you make it do so for yourself. It's an action game with love, explosions, and saving the world. There's tons about it that doesn't make perfect sense, and it doesn't create any meaningful messages about anything.jlb524 wrote...
The thing that gets me is, there is lesbian sex references in the game already. However, I feel these are used in some pretty damn offensive ways.
First, there's the Kelly Chambers fling that devs have pretty much stated isn't serious. Plus, just look at how much respect she gets on these forums as a bisexual woman. Way to positively represent bisexual women, BW!
Second, you have Jack mentioning past sexual relationships with women. Is it because she's seriously attracted to women? No!! She's straight or something! It seems like it's just there to make her past seem more 'edgier' and 'troubled'. 'Oh, look! She's such a bad girl! She's straight but she used to sleep with WOMEN!! *gasp* Don't worry fellas, she's over that phase in her life and only needs a studly man now!!'
Don't even get me started on the Morinth/Nef thing.
RyrineaNara wrote...
seawolf77 wrote...
Damn folKs... there is a thing to solved all your problemos here
www.youporn.com
and GET A LIFE..... lol
purpose of this game, to altered your ego.. not your sexsual feelings. GOOSHHHH..
you people just need a fresh air, and stay out from this game for a bit. Go out.. call your GF if you have 1, or try to find 1.
i dont give a nickle if Shepard ghey or not. my parts, i dont care if shepard fall in love with a krogan.
IT JUST A GAME....
and here i am ROFLMAO @ yall..... bunch of digital sexofobian freaks.
PFFFTTTT.....
Please talk in normal debate speak, and not Text speak. It does get your point across a lot better, and it doesn't make you seem like your teenager with a phone.
ya twit
seawolf77 wrote...
RyrineaNara wrote...
seawolf77 wrote...
Damn folKs... there is a thing to solved all your problemos here
www.youporn.com
and GET A LIFE..... lol
purpose of this game, to altered your ego.. not your sexsual feelings. GOOSHHHH..
you people just need a fresh air, and stay out from this game for a bit. Go out.. call your GF if you have 1, or try to find 1.
i dont give a nickle if Shepard ghey or not. my parts, i dont care if shepard fall in love with a krogan.
IT JUST A GAME....
and here i am ROFLMAO @ yall..... bunch of digital sexofobian freaks.
PFFFTTTT.....
Please talk in normal debate speak, and not Text speak. It does get your point across a lot better, and it doesn't make you seem like your teenager with a phone.
in plain text...
GET A LIFE
You don't think it's problematic that the only real excuse for no gay content is poor writing?JohnnyDollar wrote...
Sounds more like an unpolished product to me.jlb524 wrote...
The thing that gets me is, there is lesbian sex references in the game already. However, I feel these are used in some pretty damn offensive ways.
First, there's the Kelly Chambers fling that devs have pretty much stated isn't serious. Plus, just look at how much respect she gets on these forums as a bisexual woman. Way to positively represent bisexual women, BW!
Second, you have Jack mentioning past sexual relationships with women. Is it because she's seriously attracted to women? No!! She's straight or something! It seems like it's just there to make her past seem more 'edgier' and 'troubled'. 'Oh, look! She's such a bad girl! She's straight but she used to sleep with WOMEN!! *gasp* Don't worry fellas, she's over that phase in her life and only needs a studly man now!!'
Don't even get me started on the Morinth/Nef thing.
Not even this, though. In the interview they imply that Shepard is also intended to be a straight character, and one that does not afford you the kind of freedom of choices that you have in DA:O. Not all games give you a character that you can define yourself, and there isn't anything objectively wrong with that.Eternz wrote...
Shepard is yours, if yours is gay thats fine
the_one_54321 wrote...
You act like writing in a video game can carry serious meaning or a message. It can't, unless you make it do so for yourself. It's an action game with love, explosions, and saving the world. There's tons about it that doesn't make perfect sense, and it doesn't create any meaningful messages about anything.
the_one_54321 wrote...
Not even this, though. In the interview they imply that Shepard is also intended to be a straight character, and one that does not afford you the kind of freedom of choices that you have in DA:O. Not all games give you a character that you can define yourself, and there isn't anything objectively wrong with that.Eternz wrote...
Shepard is yours, if yours is gay thats fine
You seriously saying that video games cannot have good, meaningful writing? Get out.the_one_54321 wrote...
You act like writing in a video game can carry serious meaning or a message. It can't, unless you make it do so for yourself. It's an action game with love, explosions, and saving the world. There's tons about it that doesn't make perfect sense, and it doesn't create any meaningful messages about anything.
Not even close. In DA:O you can have gay, straight, or bi relationships, and you can choose your race and temperament. And all of these things translate into the relationship you start with wich party member. In ME Shepard has a particular disposition and sexuality, and all you choose is how much of a renagade or paragon s/he is and which crew member s/he get's involved with.Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Thats just PR bs. You could say the same exact thing about the DA characters if you wanted to avoid the subject.the_one_54321 wrote...
Not even this, though. In the interview they imply that Shepard is also intended to be a straight character, and one that does not afford you the kind of freedom of choices that you have in DA:O. Not all games give you a character that you can define yourself, and there isn't anything objectively wrong with that.Eternz wrote...
Shepard is yours, if yours is gay thats fine
Name one for me.enormousmoonboots wrote...
You seriously saying that video games cannot have good, meaningful writing? Get out.the_one_54321 wrote...
You act like writing in a video game can carry serious meaning or a message. It can't, unless you make it do so for yourself. It's an action game with love, explosions, and saving the world. There's tons about it that doesn't make perfect sense, and it doesn't create any meaningful messages about anything.
the_one_54321 wrote...
Not even close. In DA:O you can have gay, straight, or bi relationships, and you can choose your race and temperament. And all of these things translate into the relationship you start with wich party member. In ME Shepard has a particular disposition and sexuality, and all you choose is how much of a renagade or paragon s/he is and which crew member s/he get's involved with.Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Thats just PR bs. You could say the same exact thing about the DA characters if you wanted to avoid the subject.the_one_54321 wrote...
Not even this, though. In the interview they imply that Shepard is also intended to be a straight character, and one that does not afford you the kind of freedom of choices that you have in DA:O. Not all games give you a character that you can define yourself, and there isn't anything objectively wrong with that.Eternz wrote...
Shepard is yours, if yours is gay thats fine
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
I didn't say that. I do think it is sloppy though. It's between Bioware, EA, sales, publicity etc.enormousmoonboots wrote...
You don't think it's problematic that the only real excuse for no gay content is poor writing?JohnnyDollar wrote...
Sounds more like an unpolished product to me.jlb524 wrote...
The thing that gets me is, there is lesbian sex references in the game already. However, I feel these are used in some pretty damn offensive ways.
First, there's the Kelly Chambers fling that devs have pretty much stated isn't serious. Plus, just look at how much respect she gets on these forums as a bisexual woman. Way to positively represent bisexual women, BW!
Second, you have Jack mentioning past sexual relationships with women. Is it because she's seriously attracted to women? No!! She's straight or something! It seems like it's just there to make her past seem more 'edgier' and 'troubled'. 'Oh, look! She's such a bad girl! She's straight but she used to sleep with WOMEN!! *gasp* Don't worry fellas, she's over that phase in her life and only needs a studly man now!!'
Don't even get me started on the Morinth/Nef thing.
(100% agreement, jlb. I thought I was the only one really bothered by Morinth/Nef)
Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 05 avril 2010 - 11:50 .
You didn't get it at all. Shepard is a pre-defined character. They make certain atributes constant in him/her no matter how you play it.Onyx Jaguar wrote...
The reason they said Shepard isn't gay is because they had a predefined life. WHich is BS because that is the exact same thing with the DA characters and they can be gay/straight/bithe_one_54321 wrote...
Not even close. In DA:O you can have gay, straight, or bi relationships, and you can choose your race and temperament. And all of these things translate into the relationship you start with wich party member. In ME Shepard has a particular disposition and sexuality, and all you choose is how much of a renagade or paragon s/he is and which crew member s/he get's involved with.Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Thats just PR bs. You could say the same exact thing about the DA characters if you wanted to avoid the subject.the_one_54321 wrote...
Not even this, though. In the interview they imply that Shepard is also intended to be a straight character, and one that does not afford you the kind of freedom of choices that you have in DA:O. Not all games give you a character that you can define yourself, and there isn't anything objectively wrong with that.Eternz wrote...
Shepard is yours, if yours is gay thats fine
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