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[seawolf77]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Wit is not a substitute for wisdom. Being a smart [donkey] doesn't mean your [donkey] is smart. It just means you're a [donkey].

Point taken lol... couldnt more agree then that.

ps... whos the donkey again ?

[jlb524]

the_one_54321 wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
You act like writing in a video game can carry serious meaning or a message. It can't, unless you make it do so for yourself. It's an action game with love, explosions, and saving the world. There's tons about it that doesn't make perfect sense, and it doesn't create any meaningful messages about anything.

You seriously saying that video games cannot have good, meaningful writing? Get out.

Name one for me.
And even if a small minority fo them do, this one obviously does not.

So, you're saying the ME2 story  is meaningless and the writing is crappy and the entire game is all about 'shootin' and f**kin'?

[RyrineaNara]

The one thing is from what I understand is that Da is also has a predefine life. However, you can romance a male, if you are a male yourself. So this, is why we call Bull**** on Casey's little point about predefine characters that to me is just bull****. There is no predefine Shepard this is  what makes a  role playing game possible.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 05 avril 2010 - 11:54 .

[the_one_54321]

jlb524 wrote...
So, you're saying the ME2 story  is meaningless and ... the entire game is all about 'shootin' and f**kin'?

Are you seriously saying it's not? 

(I never said the writing was crappy, actually)

Modifié par the_one_54321, 05 avril 2010 - 11:52 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Yes the_one, this is why there is an argument about this subject. Using defined events doesn't change this fact, DA has them to.

[GreedIsNoException]

/Face palm, exist stage, left

[iNixiRir]

The Angry One wrote...

Everything new that we add still requires extra content. Some people might argue in a case like that you could just have the same kinds of scenes that just work with different characters. But we wouldn't really want to have it that way. You'd want to take a proper approach to designing those scenes, otherwise you'd see the same scene.

Kaidan and Ashley would like a word with you...

Ah yes, "Kaiden and Ashley". Luckily, we've dismissed those claims.

[the_one_54321]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Yes the_one, this is why there is an argument about this subject. Using defined events doesn't change this fact, DA has them to.

DA:O was intended to have more options than ME was intended to have?!
OMG!? Where is the jerk that decided to do this so we can lynch his sorry butt?!

/sarcams

[Onyx Jaguar]

GreedIsNoException wrote...

/Face palm, exist stage, left

[jlb524]

the_one_54321 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
So, you're saying the ME2 story  is meaningless and ... the entire game is all about 'shootin' and f**kin'?

Are you seriously saying it's not? 

(I never said the writing was crappy, actually)

I just think a story from which no greater meaning can be taken about life, humanity, etc. is crappily written.  But I guess that's just my opinion.  You are of the opinion that as long as there's shootin and f**kin' it's good writing, I take it?

[the_one_54321]

jlb524 wrote...
You are of the opinion that as long as there's shootin and f**kin' it's good writing, I take it?

No, I just think that many video games are not more meaningful than this.

How often do you see video games that are about triumphing over the opression of racism or sexism, or about the struggle for acceptance as a homosexual? 

[Onyx Jaguar]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Yes the_one, this is why there is an argument about this subject. Using defined events doesn't change this fact, DA has them to.

DA:O was intended to have more options than ME was intended to have?!
OMG!? Where is the jerk that decided to do this so we can lynch his sorry butt?!

/sarcams

OK, I come back because quite frankly I do not ****ing care.  READ WHAT I SAID.

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 05 avril 2010 - 11:59 .

[CShep25]

the_one_54321 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
You are of the opinion that as long as there's shootin and f**kin' it's good writing, I take it?

No, I just think that many video games are not more meaningful than this.

How often do you see video games that are about triumphing over the opression of racism or sexism, or about the struggle for acceptance as a homosexual? 

Heavy Rain had a pretty strong message. Not mindboggling, but strong enough.

[enormousmoonboots]

the_one_54321 wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
You act like writing in a video game can carry serious meaning or a message. It can't, unless you make it do so for yourself. It's an action game with love, explosions, and saving the world. There's tons about it that doesn't make perfect sense, and it doesn't create any meaningful messages about anything.

You seriously saying that video games cannot have good, meaningful writing? Get out.

Name one for me.
And even if a small minority fo them do, this one obviously does not.

Pretty much any Shin Megami Tensei game. Particularly Nocturne, or Persona 3. Devil Summoner. Hell, even Final Fantasy gets in on it from time to time, FFX was all about seizing control of your own destiny. Ico, Shadow of the Colossus. Mother 3. Bioshock, if you want Western games. Grim Fandango. Fallout. KOTOR 2 had a lot of potential, though its general incompleteness keeps it from being a real contender. Still, it's worth mentioning just for Kreia.

Saying that all video games don't need to be well-written just because most of them aren't is just insulting to the genre. If you don't expect anything, writers have no reason to strive to be better, and you will continue to get sh!t.

[jlb524]

the_one_54321 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
You are of the opinion that as long as there's shootin and f**kin' it's good writing, I take it?

No, I just think that many video games are not more meaningful than this.

How often do you see video games that are about triumphing over the opression of racism or sexism, or about the struggle for acceptance as a homosexual? 

OK, back to my original point.  It's not that ME2 doesn't show a 'triumph over homophobia', it is that the game has references to homosexual content that I find offensive (and some others do as well).   If you're not going to depict any positive homosexual relationships and only show negative ones, then don't show them at all.

[Ziggy]

It's despicable. They deliberately skirt around the question because they know the answer is unacceptable. Shame on them.

[Collider]

Some of you are acting disgusting. Bioware is not being homophobic or intolerant. They do not owe us any romances in the first Mass Effect game to begin with, yet they did and even included a lesbian romance. That is EXTRAORDINARY. Most games with romance don't have this in the nth degree.



Bioware is not the government. They are not obligated to provide you with equal or any content of any sexual orientation. Don't act as if they giving you the middle finger. This is Bioware we are talking about - a company which has provided homosexual content both between males and females, that goes beyond the simplicity of the SIMS, fully fleged romances.



To say there are no positive lesbian content in ME2 I wholly disagree with. Kelly? Samara? Liara?

Samara is a freaking PALADIN. Devoted to justice and good. And she happens to like women. Liara kisses femshep if femshep romanced her.

[Xaijin]

I don't anyone's even insinuating that they are. What we're talking about is demographic expectation and consumer satisfaction index, At a very specific point there is a gap. A gap which does not exist in very similar BUT DIFFERENT products from the same company. which causes contention.

Modifié par Xaijin, 06 avril 2010 - 12:37 .

[Ziggy]

Collider wrote...

Some of you are acting disgusting. Bioware is not being homophobic or intolerant. They do not owe us any romances in the first Mass Effect game to begin with, yet they did and even included a lesbian romance. That is EXTRAORDINARY. Most games with romance don't have this in the nth degree.

Bioware is not the government. They are not obligated to provide you with equal or any content of any sexual orientation. Don't act as if they giving you the middle finger. This is Bioware we are talking about - a company which has provided homosexual content both between males and females, that goes beyond the simplicity of the SIMS, fully fleged romances.

To say there are no positive lesbian content in ME2 I wholly disagree with. Kelly? Samara? Liara?
Samara is a freaking PALADIN. Devoted to justice and good. And she happens to like women. Liara kisses femshep if femshep romanced her.

So why couldn't they give a straight answer?

[Twisteddm]

The Angry One wrote...

While "linking suits" can be plutonic...

I'm sorry but when I saw this I nearly choked on my tea... linking suits would reveal that Tali is in fact an Intrusive Igneous Rock....?

Sorry, but thinking that Tali may in fact be Shale in disguise made me laugh.

On a serious note, while I am disappointed with the handling of relationships in general in ME2, I kinda gave up on thinking Bioware would care with "Game development is not a democracy" quote way back in the beginning.

Edit: I also feel I need to apologise for the pedantry. Whilst it amused me, others may see it as nitpicking, which was not my intent.

Modifié par Twisteddm, 06 avril 2010 - 12:49 .

[Nightwriter]

jlb524 wrote...

OK, back to my original point.  It's not that ME2 doesn't show a 'triumph over homophobia', it is that the game has references to homosexual content that I find offensive (and some others do as well).   If you're not going to depict any positive homosexual relationships and only show negative ones, then don't show them at all.

Could you tell me about what you found offensive? I was just thinking about this, actually, and it occurred to me recently that there were a few homosexual references in the game, but not many of them exactly good...

Like the Morinth/Nef thing.

[jlb524]

Nightwriter wrote...

Could you tell me about what you found offensive? I was just thinking about this, actually, and it occurred to me recently that there were a few homosexual references in the game, but not many of them exactly good...

Like the Morinth/Nef thing.

Here's my post in this thread...

jlb524 wrote...

The thing that gets me is, there is
lesbian sex references in the game already. However, I feel these are
used in some pretty damn offensive ways.

First, there's the Kelly
Chambers fling that devs have pretty much stated isn't serious. Plus,
just look at how much respect she gets on these forums as a bisexual
woman. Way to positively represent bisexual women, BW!

Second,
you have Jack mentioning past sexual relationships with women. Is it
because she's seriously attracted to women? No!! She's straight or
something! It seems like it's just there to make her past seem more
'edgier' and 'troubled'. 'Oh, look! She's such a bad girl! She's
straight but she used to sleep with WOMEN!! *gasp* Don't worry
fellas, she's over that phase in her life and only needs a studly man
now!!'

Don't even get me started on the Morinth/Nef
thing.

[Collider]

Em23 wrote...
So why couldn't they give a straight answer?

This is a business. They have to consider PR. Going into extremes either way will be bad for their public record. Just be happy there is homosexual content to begin with. Most games don't have even mention homosexuality.