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[Noble 1]

MrFob wrote...

1. Sovereign's voice is clearly better than Vaders IMO.

2. The reapers are "each a nation", so I guess there is no definite hierarchy. Although I do think that Sovereign was kind of special as it was the one reaper that staid behind to let the others back in (... and messed it up)

3. We don't really know much about Harbinger, do we? The one liners were kind of lame though. I think/hope that after the whole Collector plan went down the drain they'll come up with something completely new. How about a Project Lazarus for Sovereign? I guess that would scare the hell out of the council (no more "ah yes... reapers").

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[IllusiveMike]

Chaoswind wrote...

I wonder if reapers ability with indoctrination is the same, or some ships (Harby) are much more adept at it.

Harby (Birdman) could control collectors with long distance calls... that has to mean something.

Maybe not all reapers are the same, maybe some are more weapon based and others like to mind control more....

Mordin has a bit to say about the Collectors having most of their systems replaced with tech, so I'd imagine that the system used to control them was implemented before the Reapers returned to dark space. 

Seeing as how the Reapers are made, it is plausible that they have pretty different personalities and abilties.

[kelsjet]

Noble 1 wrote...
2. Was he one of the top/oldest reapers, or a new/lower guy?

If memory serves, Sovereign would be more akin to a surveyor in an assumed Reaper hierarchy. Iirc, his function was to keep watch over the galaxy and assess when the various species and developed races were ripe enough for reaping.

Harbinger, on the other hand, is, well, the harbinger of the reaper fleet. Kind of like an advance scout for the force of reaper warships that are on their way. Like most advance scouts, his function would be to engage the galaxy on a tactical level, weakening or sabotaging first layer defenses and/or providing wartime intelligence.

In short, Sovereign took a strategic point of view, deciding when the reaping should begin while Harbinger took a tactical standpoint as a first strike unit after the decision to go to war had been made.
Due to this, Harbinger is probably a little more militarily adept, since he was/is deployed only after the greater Reaper fleet has committed to war. Whereas Sovereign is more analytically competent, since he spent most of his time analyzing the galaxy and figuring out when a reaping should occur to maximize Reaper gains.

[TheCerberus14]

This is the conversation I felt was missing from ME2. A conversation with the other side and or a persona that knew key things to survival of the species, where some of the veil of the reapers was lifted a bit from their motives and what they are. This conversation and the one on Ilos with the A.I., I forget the A.I.'s name though. (hope that's not too spoiler-ish)

Edit: Vigil! That was the A.I.'s name!

Modifié par TheCerberus14, 06 avril 2010 - 11:21 .

[Wompoo]

SupidSeep wrote...

1. Nah, Vader/James Earl Jones is in a class of his own. Among Bioware's games, I feel that Baldur's Gate II's Irenicus holds the edge over Sovereign. And Gravemind? Bleh. Arbitor/Captain Anderson is better.
2. Does it matter? He's reduced to scrap now, who cares?
3. See 2.

James Earl Jones has played some classic roles, love him as an actor. For a game however, I agree with you, Irenicus is the winner hands down,

I cannot be caged,
I cannot be controlled,
Understand this as you die, ever pathetic, ever fools.

classic lines.

Sovereign seemed very Cylon like to me. Harbinger was a tad corny and just a little forgettable for main villain. Look forward to see what the writing team can come up with in ME3.

Modifié par Wompoo, 06 avril 2010 - 08:10 .

[GHOST OF FRUITY]

Well, Sovereign certainly sounded menacing - better than Vader? Tough one.



I think Harbinger needs some real airtime in ME3 to really judge him as a villain. We need to see what he is capable of in person. I can't imagine he isn't going to be any less difficult to deal with than Sovereign was though. And he has his Reaper pals there to back him up if he does turn out to be a bit of a wuss!

[nikki191]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

2. Sovereign was the one that got left behind, so maybe the reapers didn't want the new guy haning around them?

he was the reaper that hang out at the back of the class that annoyed everyone and set fires but they werent allowed to punch because he was special

[FluxDeluxe]

I agree with 'the cerberus' There was no real dialouge with the main protagonist, infact the only hing that ME2 lacked in my opinion was real regular interaction with the main protagonists.



Examples for me would be....



The council - It was a real shame that you had thast one contact with them and that was it. For me it would have been better to have a more organic, reactive solution with the council responding to individual actions that you took through out the game in a positive or negative light. Although they have avowed any involvement in real terms i imagine they would be extremely interested in keeping an eye on shepards movements via STG or other spectres.



Specters- I think the case could be made that a specter deemed as a little more aligned to the councils interests would shadow shepard in a situation like this. Not involving themselves per se but observing and reporting.



Harbringer/Derelict reaper - More interaction with Harbringer or the collector general would have made this game much better in terms of story. Some interaction would lead to better specualtion on reaper motives. Also there was clearly some residual presence left in the derelict reaper some interaction akin to vigil with the A.I processes would have been cool. Albeit a far more menacing and darker version of the encounter on Ilos.



Then again you don't know how the story is going to go in third installment. Much is made of the reapers but perhaps the most telling thing about 2 is that it is the illusive man who is really pulling the strings.



On several occasions he leaks info about shepards movements and associates to the collectors to manipulate them into situations. Perhaps the illusive man is the real puppet master behind the scenes. He's been directly involved in somethings Saren/sovereign was involved with, Thorian creepers, Rachni. We really don't know how intimately involved he was or indeed if he was working in collusion with certain parties. How indeed did he get his hands on Rachni DNA from Binary Helix. Common espionage possibly but the door is open for something more sinister.



Anyway i digress



1. Irenicus was the greatest Bioware baddy for the reasons listed above you came to intimately know Irenicus and his motivations.



2. The reapers probably don't have a classic hierarchy we know that the Geth are very similar on a basic level to te reapers, i imagine they build consensus, very quickly.



3. Nothing is reveaaled about Harbringer in ME2 apart from the fact that he's a reaper in the Reaper fleet. That is literally it.

[kreite]

 1. better methinks

2. don't know he said he was a vanguard (whatever that means)

3. no he won't he just won't

[spacehamsterZH]

MrFob wrote...
Harby (that nickname allready forbids the use of Harbinger as a credible villain in ME3

Actually, that just gave me an even better idea...

[Dethateer]

Sand King wrote...


1. Better than Vader, not as good as Gravemind

2. Vanguard of Distrustion

Shin Yodama wrote...

3. Sequel bad guys hardly ever live up to original series bad guys, and Harbinger was really just more of the same, except he stayed behind the scenes and didn't dare face Shep face to face. Maybe he was scared to?

1. As the great Bender B. Rodriguez once said: "HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!
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2. "Distrusion"? Damn kids and yer new fancy werdz!
3. True.

Also, @ OP, non-spoiler forum, much?

Modifié par Dethateer, 06 avril 2010 - 05:25 .

[Ahriman]

1. Surely better than Harbringer's. Cannot compare with Vader. Sovereign good as mechanic god, Vader as maim sith.
2. I think youngest. There is nothing hard to say keepers "launch this thing". It looks like ritual of initiation : stay with bones of his nation and then open the path to his new 'family'. I know, sounds crazy.

Modifié par Wizz, 06 avril 2010 - 06:32 .

[IoneWanderer101]

1. cool voice, but Vader reins supreme.

2. Sovereign he says he is a "vanguard of your destruction" so he is obviously important, even in the reapers society, so i think he may be a sort of middle aged one and is very much in executive management in the destruction buisness.

3.I doubt it, but he should be a force to be reckoned with, and as you may of forgotten the rest of the reapers seem to be making an appearence in the next game.

[Annihilator27]

1. I cant really pick

2. I think he is one of the most important. He was the chosen one to stay behind and start the next cycle.

3. Hell yeah son, In my opinion. He's the harbinger ofour destruction and weve only seen some of it. He seems more calm and observant. Also he can some how "Assuming control" everything lol. Soverign was more diabolical or something. He really wanted to turn us into goo.