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[k9medusa]

The Qurri reminds me of gnomes -- does not like magic (or least do not like to use it much), invent items -- battle rams, just the qurri seem to a tall version of gnome culture -- so DAO does have gnomes as a race, but they just look different than the standard "look."

[theczaroftsars]

Cat Lance wrote...

I believe DG once described the Qun as similar to a sort of militant Buddhism.

Yes that seems to fit them more.

[k9medusa]

How many gods do they have? or do they have one at all?

[Cat Lance]

k9medusa, when you say Qurri, are you talking about the Qunari?

[REngler]

The demons are named after the seven sins.  Rage>Wrath, Hunger>Gluttony, Sloth>Sloth, Desire> Greed, Lust, Envy, Pride>Pride.

Anyway, I found myself with mixed opinion on the chantry. The reasoning behind it is sound, but hunting rogue mages? Granted, blood magic in itself can be seen as immoral, but what about other types of mages?

The chanters themselves get on my nerves at times, being who they are, but you always have...

The chanter says what?

Modifié par REngler, 06 avril 2010 - 07:31 .

[Illogical343]

I threatened the head of the Lothering Chantry yesterday.

[Baator]

I hate the Chantry with a passion, every time I had to talk to a priest I automatically chose the answers that anger them, even when I play a "good" character. It is silly, I know it's just a game but as a hardcore atheist their constant preaching and self-righteousness got on my nerves. I try to think than on DA:O universe a god or gods actually EXIST so I try to be more forgiving but again I do not always manage to. That is also a reason why I cannot bring myself to like Liliana 100%, her constant mentioning of the Maker and the chant of life...ARGH!

[CybAnt1]

Did I totally misunderstand all that?  Was she an elf-lover?

AFAICT, she was a bit like Spartacus, she fought against the Roman Tevinter Empire because she herself was an ex-slave and resented their practice of slavery. She may not have been an elf-lover but she seemed to be anti-slavery, if only because of her own experience. 

Again, I find this one of the most interesting aspects of all this. I may not like the Chantry and their zealotry, but Andraste strikes me as quite the righteous chick. The question is the edifice they've built around her. 

Yes, magic should serve mankind. The alternative are beings like the Baroness, who in turn use it to subjugate mankind and make people serve their own needs and prolong their own life at their and their children's expense. 

This takes on an added irony if Andraste was a mage herself. Maybe she was one, who realized that the Tevinter mages didn't understand the old Spider-Man adage: "With great power, comes great responsibility". 

See, I see what the Chantry is reacting to, what it was born from. An era in which evil mages used magic to subjugate and oppress their citizenry. But now in turn they've given birth to a system in which mages themselves are now often oppressed by themselves & the templars. It's like the happy medium was missed. The gray in the middle of the black & white .... 

[Damar Stiehl]

The Chantry has executed a pretty little power grab, and they hang on to it for dear life. The whole organization is corrupt at this point (getting the Templars addicted to lyrium is just one piece of evidence), and drenched in hypocrisy and propaganda.

[thegreateski]

I don't get angry.



I get even.



*pours blood into the ashes*

[k9medusa]

Cat Lance wrote...

k9medusa, when you say Qurri, are you talking about the Qunari?

Yes, sorry about misspelling it....

[frayjog]

I'm not taking any sides, but I find it interesting that the majority of the people in this thread are offended by the Chantry. I have to wonder, if DA had been released 20 years ago, would the Chantry reception be as hostile as it is now?

[CybAnt1]

Dunno. Are they "evil"? I wouldn't say so.

In many towns you go to, beginning with Lothering, they are the only ones helping with refugees and people affected by the Blight. They give shelter to people who need it. One of the first priestesses you meet is collecting poultices to help heal people who are injured. They clearly believe in charity.

If you look at most of the Chantry board quests, you'll find the Chantry is often asking you to do things that help the people. I would say that following a principle that you find a lot in this game, it's hard to say they're strictly "good" or "bad". Maybe not unlike religion in the real world, they can be at various times both a negative and positive force.

Interestingly, one other aspect I've picked up on is sexual morality in Thedas (or at least Ferelden) seems to be very slight. Many people are bisexual and there seems to be a lot of casualness to sexual relations. There is marriage (although I don't know anything about divorce) but adultery seems to be well tolerated, almost winked at. About the only people preaching against this are the Chantry. Which, not unsurprisingly, seems to be connected to the resentment against them.

It seems - not unlike the real Knights Templar - the templars of Thedas take a vow of chastity; they are not normally allowed wives & children. On the other hand, apparently it's not lifelong if you opt against it (unlike Catholic priests), this is why Al is willing to "give it up" (literally and figuratively) to a female PC or Anora.

Modifié par CybAnt1, 06 avril 2010 - 10:58 .

[Emerald Melios]

k9medusa wrote...

Is Bioware just retelling our history in the real world or are they telling us something between the lines? If so, what are they saying?

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[Darcerenity]

I was fairly neutral on the Chantry UNTIL I hit Lothering. The organization in general began to seem shady then (I had a few discussions with Al about templars and lyrium, for example), but what really set me into full on rage mode was the Reverend Mother at the Lothering Chantry. She does her best to guilt the PC out of a rather substantial sum for the aid of her poor villagers, never mind that the PC needs the money to fight darkspawn (which presumably would help--if not those villagers, others like them), but refuses any aid in return. She is also remarkably wishy-wishy in what seems to me to be nothing more than a vain desire to maintain a sense of superiority to those around her. She can't credit either Loghain or the Warden with lying (or, conversely, with telling the truth), and she can neither accept responsibility for Sten's fate nor release him and admit whatever culpability might result. Ugh.



To be fair, both Lelianna and the Reverend Mother in Redcliffe seem more reasonable: Lelianna goes so far as to say the Maker loves all equally and is resident in the beauty of the world (a stance that is almost Buddhist or Pantheist in its approach) and the RM in Redcliffe has opinions and asserts them, but also listens to and considers other POVs, and then *gasps* ACTS accordingly. The shock.



I think Lelianna, while adorable, does tend to stray close to paving the road to hell with good intentions, though, considering how willing she is to hand the Ashes over to the Chantry without considering conservation...or the consequences of allowing them to consolidate their power even further.



All-in-all I think the Chantry is a great grey-scale representation of a lot of real-life ethical approaches...

[Johnson45]

thegreateski wrote...

I don't get angry.

I get even.

*pours blood into the ashes*

I shall be doing this tomorow (for the first time), and I will enjoy it.

...

[thegreateski]

I must admit. I do feel bad about defiling the poor woman's resting place but it must be done.

Sorry Andraste, it's nothing personal.

Modifié par thegreateski, 06 avril 2010 - 11:40 .