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[Someone With Mass]

Andaius20 wrote...

Also am I the only one who found Udina to be more of a comic relief then a serious annoyance?

His head to the desk sure was comical.

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Modifié par Someone With Mass, 25 juillet 2010 - 08:46 .

[Collider]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Collider wrote...
It is technically bestiality due to it being cross-species, but using it to describe the relationship is disingenuous.

This strikes me more as a failure of vocabulary than as proper classification.

Both. Eitherway, it's deceptive, and probably intentionally so.

Modifié par Collider, 25 juillet 2010 - 08:46 .

[Andaius20]

SpatFieya wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...
I know them too

Then tell 'em to get up off our jock.

...Yo.

The matter is closed for now anyway.

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...

Also am I the only one how found Udina to be more of a comic relief then a serious annoyance?

Him completely screwing you over and dooming the galaxy had it not been for Anderson is not a good thing for his resume

This is part of the reason why the end game choice of ME1 felt rather unbalanced.

[uhdnrt]

NuclearBuddha wrote...
You're right.  The drunkenness invalidates the conversation.  It's like saying that me drunkenly musing to a friend that maybe the internet is just one huge unbelievably complex chatbot or that everyone but me is telepathic and it's a conspiracy to keep me in the dark makes those ridiculous theories true.

So you are arguing that you assume they are drunk therefore invalidating their discussion?  I do not recall them indicating that they are drunk.

Your interpretation of it is just as valid as mine - please stop reaching at hypotheticals to "prove" your argument.

Modifié par uhdnrt, 25 juillet 2010 - 08:46 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Azint wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
No, I mean really!  It's doesn't feel like it's just trolling or sour grapes.  There's something serious going on there.

I want some elaboration.

I can't really begin to parse the argument.  It's as if being able to romance an alien is an affront or something, because the aliens aren't googly-eyed monsters with 16 quadruple-jointed manipulators who cannot even be comprehended by weak human minds.  It should be unpossible.

[Azint]

Collider wrote...

It is technically bestiality due to it being cross-species, but using it to describe the relationship is disingenuous.

"Bestiality" refers to an animal. Would a sapient alien race constitute as an animal or any sort of lesser being? The latter I actually have heard, and that stems from xenophobia.

...Which could be their case.

[Andaius20]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...

Also am I the only one who found Udina to be more of a comic relief then a serious annoyance?

His head to the desk sure was comical.

I more found his little speeches to be funny. Like the generic "captain" of the various police stations in movies. The ones always ****ting bricks because of what Murtaugh and Riggs are up too.

[Phil725]

uhdnrt wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...
There's also the whole armor issue.

A confirmation that they are humanoid.  Also, one could argue, a limitation of he game.  Intentional?  Unknown.  However, there is nothing I am aware of in the game that outright states that what Shepard perceives the asari as is the exact way they look.

If there is such dialogue, please link it.

I still think its more likely that they are just seeing what they want to see in the asari.  A turian sees the tentacle heads and says "Oh yeahB)"  While we see it and say, "that's similar to hair, oh look, breasts :happy:"  There all seeing the same picture, just admiring different parts.

[Collider]

udhrnt, either way - I dislike how the Asari are presented. That's really my main point, weird Asari mind tricks or no.

[SpatFieya]

Azint wrote...

As I've stated, I have yet to meet an asari character I really like.

Aetheyta is the only one.

I could say the same. 

Just the shear thought though, of humanity actually spreading out in the galaxy, and coming across an all female race that has nearly all the same features as us.

It would blow minds...

And other things. 

Modifié par SpatFieya, 25 juillet 2010 - 08:49 .

[NuclearBuddha]

uhdnrt wrote...
So you are arguing that you assume they are drunk therefore invalidating their discussion?  I do not recall them indicating that they are drunk.

Your interpretation of it is just as valid as mine - please stop reaching at hypotheticals to "prove" your argument.

So hypotheticals are off limits?  Excellent.  Then the in-game discussion of a hypothetical reason for asari attractiveness you're using as proof can be voided.  Where were we?

[RiptideX1090]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Azint wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
No, I mean really!  It's doesn't feel like it's just trolling or sour grapes.  There's something serious going on there.

I want some elaboration.

I can't really begin to parse the argument.  It's as if being able to romance an alien is an affront or something, because the aliens aren't googly-eyed monsters with 16 quadruple-jointed manipulators who cannot even be comprehended by weak human minds.  It should be unpossible.

Pretty much this.

And I'm also a mysogynast and a rascist, or something.

[Someone With Mass]

Phil725 wrote...

I still think its more likely that they are just seeing what they want to see in the asari.  A turian sees the tentacle heads and says "Oh yeahB)"  While we see it and say, "that's similar to hair, oh look, breasts :happy:"  There all seeing the same picture, just admiring different parts.

Odd that one of the first things the salarian noticed was her navel.

[Collider]

Azint wrote...

Collider wrote...

It is technically bestiality due to it being cross-species, but using it to describe the relationship is disingenuous.

"Bestiality" refers to an animal.

A quick look at the definition of bestiality sometimes says species, not animal specifically (which I imagine is what this certain person is justifying his or her condemnation with). (also, I maintain that humans are animals). However, the reason I believe it is disingenuous is because we have not met a sapient species that are not humans, yet (if ever).

[Azint]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

I can't really begin to parse the argument.  It's as if being able to romance an alien is an affront or something, because the aliens aren't googly-eyed monsters with 16 quadruple-jointed manipulators who cannot even be comprehended by weak human minds.  It should be unpossible.

Though the point I see them making is that they dislike the idea of inter-species romance. I could actually see it as a believable taboo.

[Collider]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Azint wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
No, I mean really!  It's doesn't feel like it's just trolling or sour grapes.  There's something serious going on there.

I want some elaboration.

I can't really begin to parse the argument.  It's as if being able to romance an alien is an affront or something, because the aliens aren't googly-eyed monsters with 16 quadruple-jointed manipulators who cannot even be comprehended by weak human minds.  It should be unpossible.

Really, it's probably just an attempt to discredit the romance on the basis that it may technically fit the description of something greatly reviled in society.

[Lividity Jones]

Collider wrote...

Azint wrote...

Collider wrote...

It is technically bestiality due to it being cross-species, but using it to describe the relationship is disingenuous.

"Bestiality" refers to an animal.

A quick look at the definition of bestiality sometimes says species, not animal specifically (which I imagine is what this certain person is justifying his or her condemnation with). (also, I maintain that humans are animals). However, the reason I believe it is disingenuous is because we have not met a sapient species that are not humans, yet (if ever).

I'm sorry, but there is absolutey no technicality you can grasp at that justifies such blatant bull****.

[NuclearBuddha]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Azint wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
No, I mean really!  It's doesn't feel like it's just trolling or sour grapes.  There's something serious going on there.

I want some elaboration.

I can't really begin to parse the argument.  It's as if being able to romance an alien is an affront or something, because the aliens aren't googly-eyed monsters with 16 quadruple-jointed manipulators who cannot even be comprehended by weak human minds.  It should be unpossible.

Pretty much this.

And I'm also a mysogynast and a rascist, or something.

Oh, aren't we all.

[uhdnrt]

At least we all agree on Tali. (repostan, to get closer to topical for this thread).

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Finally the hovercar arrived.  Hundreds of people were in the square.  They could see just off the square where carnival rides and various amusements had been set up.  The stage itself had what appeared to be a full orchestra, that was just finishing a piece of music as they arrived.  The car pulled up next to the stage.

A very small group of humans was to the left of the stage, near where the car parked.  They held signs and banners, and were chanting pro-human messages.  Shepard noted a slightly familiar face in the group.  He also noted that the other celebrants outnumbered the protesters nearly ten to one.

Kate got out first and approached the stage.  The other door to the car opened.  Garrus stepped out first.  As he did, Kate made an announcement over the microphone.

"Here they are, people of the Terra Nova colony!  Exiting the car is Garrus Vakarian!" 

There were cheers from the spectators, and a small smattering of boos from the protesters. Shepard got out next, but did not turn to the crowd as the cheering started.  Instead, he leaned in and offered his hand to Tali.  She looked up at him.

"Are you sure about this?" she asked nervously. 

Shepard smiled.  "Absolutely, miss vas Normandy.  There is nothing to be afraid of."  She nodded, though he eyes looked worried behind her mask, she took his hand and let him assist her out of the vehicle.

Kate spoke again.  "And here is Tali'Zorah vas Normandy and Commander Shepard, hero of the Alliance!"  The cheers dipped in volume for a moment, then ramped back up as the colonists watched Tali and Shepard walk to the stage arm in arm. 

The protesters got louder, however.  Shepard narrowed his eyes as the one he recognized stepped forward.  He recognized the human politician from the Citadel.

"Commander Shepard,"  the politician greeted him.  "Charles Saracino with the Terra Firma Party."

Shepard looked at him cooly.  "I remember you."

"Good to hear," Charles said with a nod.  "Considering this is a human colony and a human celebration, don't you think it is inappropriate to bring both a turian and a quarian with you?"

The spectre stood straighter.  Tali's eyes widened, recognizing the signs of an outburst.  She started to remove her arm from around his, but the hand on top of hers tightened.

"No mister Saracino, I do not think it is inappropriate," Shepard started, raising his voice to be heard.  The crowd began to quiet.  "Tali and Garrus were instrumental in Stopping Balak and the terrorists from destroying Terra Nova.  Without them, I never would have saved this colony."

Shepard turned to the crowd.  "Without the quarian at my side, I never would have exposed Saren as a traitor.  Without Garrus, my team would have been killed trying to stop the Collectors from taking more human colonies!"  He turned back to the politician.

"Even at my darkest moments, when I did  not know who I could trust, Tali and Garrus never gave up on me, never lost their faith in me."  He met the gaze of his best friend, then looked over at Tali.  "Without them, I would be nothing but a memory." 

He lowered his voice, and only Charles, Tali, and Garrus could hear him.   

"Without you, I would not have the strength to fight the impossible odds and save the Galaxy," Shepard said as he looked directly into her eyes.  He brought a hand up, first to his lips then to the front of her mask. 

Tears slid down Tali's face as she listened to the man she loved defend her.  She began to shake when he turned and spoke just to her.  When he 'kissed' her, she could not contain herself any longer.

"Oh Keelah, Shepard," she cried with a sob as she wrapped her arms around him in a fierce hug.  The crowd erupted in a frenzy of cheers as their saviors embraced, Garrus acting as a silent, vigilant guardian.

Just now, all was right in Tali's world.  Surrounded by people, but sheltered in the arms of the man she loved.  Ancestors, let me never forget this feeling.  In the distance, a star's light began shining bright enough to be seen in the day, as if in answer.
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[Someone With Mass]

Azint wrote...



Though the point I see them making is that they dislike the idea of inter-species romance. I could actually see it as a believable taboo.

Penny-Arcade saves the day yet again.

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

exactly. Two different people may not see the same shape or symbol in the same cloud.

[NuclearBuddha]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Odd that one of the first things the salarian noticed was her navel.

Especially since they lay eggs!

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...

Azint wrote...

Collider wrote...

It is technically bestiality due to it being cross-species, but using it to describe the relationship is disingenuous.

"Bestiality" refers to an animal.

A quick look at the definition of bestiality sometimes says species, not animal specifically (which I imagine is what this certain person is justifying his or her condemnation with). (also, I maintain that humans are animals). However, the reason I believe it is disingenuous is because we have not met a sapient species that are not humans, yet (if ever).

That last sentence is the key, you could find a definition to fit whatever you wanted to say, but the fact for any definition is that they are written without factoring in a second species on the level of humans.  Therefore, applying them to a completely alien (heh,) situation just doesn't work.

[Collider]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Collider wrote...

Azint wrote...

Collider wrote...

It is technically bestiality due to it being cross-species, but using it to describe the relationship is disingenuous.

"Bestiality" refers to an animal.

A quick look at the definition of bestiality sometimes says species, not animal specifically (which I imagine is what this certain person is justifying his or her condemnation with). (also, I maintain that humans are animals). However, the reason I believe it is disingenuous is because we have not met a sapient species that are not humans, yet (if ever).

I'm sorry, but there is absolutey no technicality you can grasp at that justifies such blatant bull****.

I agree.