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[RedTracer7]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Seriously... I can't bring myself to romance anyone else...

No disrespect to Thane and Paragon Jack's romances, because they're both REALLY good...

But you just can't top people you've got history with.

I do love the romance for Jack, and Thane's romance I'm sure would appeal to me more if I had a bit more estrogen in me. But I really, really love Garrus and Tali.

I'm a sucker for a well written romance... and all four of them were brilliant.

But... Thane And Jack weren't there when you fought Saren, or when you made an assault on the Thorian, or when you took down the Rachni Queen. Garrus and Tali have been there with you, been there FOR you. You just can't beat that. It has an unmatchable intrinsic value.

Have to agree with the idea that having that additional time with them made the resultant romance far better.  In both cases, you could see how they wouldn't have wanted it in ME 1 (Garrus because he just ain't into humans, but respects and eventually loves FemShep, and Tali because she was so young, inexperienced, and afraid.).

Epic Win for Bioware.

[cannedcream]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Haha, it's alright.

Made a TON of progress in the last couple hours, and I'm 99.5% certain that I can fulfill my promise of having Tali's textures done by roughly 8AM 

It's going to be great when it's done. I just know it.

[Alphyn]

JeanLuc761 wrote...
Don't worry, I accidentally slept 12 hours last night, no chance am I getting sleep tonight 

As for how long I've been doing this...too long.  I really need to learn to just devote myself to things and get them done; I would have had Tali done a week ago <_<

Trying to get your sleep-pattern back to a reasonable one?

[RiptideX1090]

Alphyn wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Much thanks.

I want to try drawing another Tali picture... but I'm having some trouble coming up with something...

Too much time in this thread I think...

Draw one of Shepard and Tali making a model ship together.

That would be... cute... but something I feel would be better suited for one with more cartoonistic skills than I.

[NuclearBuddha]

Lividity Jones wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

I see GuardianAngel is singing his swan song in another thread. That guy's pretty volatile.

What exactly did he say that got Samara to "kill" him?

It was something about rape.  You can see his humongous post about it quoted by Thane in the 3rd screenshot compilation.

[Goat_Shepard]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
*snip*
Comparing anyone to Shepard is unfair.  He's supposed to be that once in a lifetime person that could face hell itself and persevere one hundred percent.  If Jack could come out of her life with Tali or even Thane's personality, it would be a remarkable achievement.  One that I wouldn't expect from anyone.

Wrex is an interesting comparison.  I wasn't thinking about him since he isn't a squad member in ME2.  You could probably make the best case for him out of everyone, especially since he seems to be the most "non-krogan" in his philosophies out of his race.  I would still put Jack ahead of him personally, but that's without taking a close look at his life.

Wrex life is pretty simple.

Wrex wanted to stop warring to work breeding to try and breed the Genophage out or at the very least put there numbers back up, The warlord at the time didn't like this Wrex father, wrex father broke a golden rule and assaulted Wrex on what be "holy ground" in krogan terms, Wrex killed his father and was forced to leave tuchnka growing even more sadden over his own kind as they join merc brands only to die.

To sum it up he having to watch his people die from two fronts, killing them selves case they have no idea what else to do and then the genophage.

True, I guess he has gone through a lot of crap.  I guess the one difference there is how you feel about a person's childhood.  Wrex still grew up with a perfectly normal life for his species.  You can say it was a harder life by human standards, but Wrex isn't a human.  Jack's problems were forced on her since she could walk.  She never experienced any kind of affection or love in her life.  Hell, her only enjoyment as a kid was when she was let out of her cage to kill other kids.

I'm inclined to think the person that wanted to change things, and
faced hardships because of it was more ready for the consequences. 
Being a radical voice of change is a personal choice that someone
makes, knowing the consequences.  I would think that Wrex expected to kill or be killed by his father once he made his stance.  Even if
he didn't expect it on the holy ground specfically.

Wrex had the choice to become a warrior or a krogan doctor, or a scientist trying to cure the genophage.  He chose his path.  Jack never had a choice.

Well you forgot become Warlord of Urdnot and direct the clans under his vision.... which very much happened.


Again we can agree that jack had a pretty ****ed up past and really no one can be as dark, But I guess what draw me to people like Wrex persay is when finally given a chance to make a choice.. They made sure it was one that stopped what happened and made sure it didn’t go on. Wrex sadly.. Is fighting a far more up hill battle.

Really.. Maybe that why I can’t hate the geth, the geth went threw allot of what the krogan did.. Krogan just had it worse.

Hey just so you guys know, I've really enjoyed lurk-reading this conversation

Not sure where it started, but interesting points brought up nonetheless

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 14 avril 2010 - 07:10 .

[Azint]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I'm a sucker for a well written romance... and all four of them were brilliant.

But... Thane And Jack weren't there when you fought Saren, or when you made an assault on the Thorian, or when you took down the Rachni Queen. Garrus and Tali have been there with you, been there FOR you. You just can't beat that. It has an unmatchable intrinsic value.

That's why I firmly believe that they both offer the best romances in ME2, or just interactions in general. They were both good friends to Shepard in Mass Effect, two years have passed under the assumption Shepard has died, seeing them again sparks the relatiionship again. This time, the relationship grows into something more than being friends, one grants you a romance, the other a true platonic bond. It's beatifully written.

[Lividity Jones]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

I see GuardianAngel is singing his swan song in another thread. That guy's pretty volatile.

What exactly did he say that got Samara to "kill" him?

It was something about rape.  You can see his humongous post about it quoted by Thane in the 3rd screenshot compilation.

He advocated rape? Are you ****ing serious?

[Phil725]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
*snip*

True, I guess he has gone through a lot of crap.  I guess the one difference there is how you feel about a person's childhood.  Wrex still grew up with a perfectly normal life for his species.  You can say it was a harder life by human standards, but Wrex isn't a human.  Jack's problems were forced on her since she could walk.  She never experienced any kind of affection or love in her life.  Hell, her only enjoyment as a kid was when she was let out of her cage to kill other kids.

I'm inclined to think the person that wanted to change things, and
faced hardships because of it was more ready for the consequences. 
Being a radical voice of change is a personal choice that someone
makes, knowing the consequences.  I would think that Wrex expected to kill or be killed by his father once he made his stance.  Even if
he didn't expect it on the holy ground specfically.

Wrex had the choice to become a warrior or a krogan doctor, or a scientist trying to cure the genophage.  He chose his path.  Jack never had a choice.

Well you forgot become Warlord of Urdnot and direct the clans under his vision.... which very much happened.


Again we can agree that jack had a pretty ****ed up past and really no one can be as dark, But I guess what draw me to people like Wrex persay is when finally given a chance to make a choice.. They made sure it was one that stopped what happened and made sure it didn’t go on. Wrex sadly.. Is fighting a far more up hill battle.

Really.. Maybe that why I can’t hate the geth, the geth went threw allot of what the krogan did.. Krogan just had it worse.

Its funny that you mention a choice to do good, because that's kind of how I viewed Jack in ME2.  You break her out of jail, and give her an opportunity to help a lot of people.  Her actions on your team are the first time she's had a legitimate chance to do good.  I don't buy that she couldn't have ran away or gotten herself off the team somehow.  I feel like she wanted to help out.  Even if her tough exterior excuse was to kill people to repay you for breaking her out of jail.

By that token, I don't think Jack's story is done.  Staying with Shepard, she will have a lot more chance to make things right, maybe even stop a future Cerberus experiment using kids, or stop Cerberus altogether.  I feel like we're seeing the middle of Jack's story.  There's the screwed up beginning, that leads to her confused middle, and eventually I can see her breaking through it all and saving a lot of people.

[Alphyn]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

I know.  Which makes me concerned that he seems to be up at all hours.  That's not a good sign.

Hm. I don't like talking about people behind their backs, but... damn.

Sooner or later, he's going to blow a damn blood-vessel.

[RiptideX1090]

RedTracer7 wrote...



Have to agree with the idea that having that additional time with them made the resultant romance far better.  In both cases, you could see how they wouldn't have wanted it in ME 1 (Garrus because he just ain't into humans, but respects and eventually loves FemShep, and Tali because she was so young, inexperienced, and afraid.).

Epic Win for Bioware.

In retrospect, I'm damn glad they waited til 2 for them to be romanceable.

[JeanLuc761]

Alphyn wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...
Don't worry, I accidentally slept 12 hours last night, no chance am I getting sleep tonight 

As for how long I've been doing this...too long.  I really need to learn to just devote myself to things and get them done; I would have had Tali done a week ago <_<

Trying to get your sleep-pattern back to a reasonable one?

If I was trying to get my sleep pattern back I would have called it quits 3 hours ago.  I'm just being a bastard to my body 

...FOR TALI OF COURSE 

[cannedcream]

Lividity Jones wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Seriously... I can't bring myself to romance anyone else...

No disrespect to Thane and Paragon Jack's romances, because they're both REALLY good...

But you just can't top people you've got history with.

I do love the romance for Jack, and Thane's romance I'm sure would appeal to me more if I had a bit more estrogen in me. But I really, really love Garrus and Tali.

I'm a sucker for a well written romance... and all four of them were brilliant.

But... Thane And Jack weren't there when you fought Saren, or when you made an assault on the Thorian, or when you took down the Rachni Queen. Garrus and Tali have been there with you, been there FOR you. You just can't beat that. It has an unmatchable intrinsic value.

Truth. They are family now.

Exactly. Took the words right out of my mouth.

[Azint]

cannedcream wrote...

Azint wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

No.  It's so bad, it's bad.  It's a disgrace to the source material and the medium in general.

Your Milage May Vary

I curse the day you introduced me to that website.

I did? When?

[Alphyn]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

That would be... cute... but something I feel would be better suited for one with more cartoonistic skills than I.

Garrus and Tali playing ping-pong?

[NuclearBuddha]

Lividity Jones wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

I see GuardianAngel is singing his swan song in another thread. That guy's pretty volatile.

What exactly did he say that got Samara to "kill" him?

It was something about rape.  You can see his humongous post about it quoted by Thane in the 3rd screenshot compilation.

He advocated rape? Are you ****ing serious?

No, not at all.  He was protesting (vehemently) something said about rape.  He eventually said he'd been threatened with rape or something like that and that was what set him off.

[RiptideX1090]

Alphyn wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

That would be... cute... but something I feel would be better suited for one with more cartoonistic skills than I.

Garrus and Tali playing ping-pong?

Again... too cute. Someone who is a cartoonist would be better suited for something like that.

I'll come up with something.

[Alphyn]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

If I was trying to get my sleep pattern back I would have called it quits 3 hours ago.  I'm just being a bastard to my body 

...FOR TALI OF COURSE 

Ah well. Just stay up all night (tonight) and stay awake until 8:00pm.

Works for me... most of the time.

[RedTracer7]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...



Have to agree with the idea that having that additional time with them made the resultant romance far better.  In both cases, you could see how they wouldn't have wanted it in ME 1 (Garrus because he just ain't into humans, but respects and eventually loves FemShep, and Tali because she was so young, inexperienced, and afraid.).

Epic Win for Bioware.

In retrospect, I'm damn glad they waited til 2 for them to be romanceable.

Exactly.  Garrus was too much of a hardass in the first ME to like anyone, much less a human.

And Tali was on her pilgrimage, and I assume she was far more... traditionally minded... before getting to know Shepard.

[Alphyn]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Again... too cute. Someone who is a cartoonist would be better suited for something like that.

I'll come up with something.

What type of artist are you?

[Lividity Jones]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

I see GuardianAngel is singing his swan song in another thread. That guy's pretty volatile.

What exactly did he say that got Samara to "kill" him?

It was something about rape.  You can see his humongous post about it quoted by Thane in the 3rd screenshot compilation.

He advocated rape? Are you ****ing serious?

No, not at all.  He was protesting (vehemently) something said about rape.  He eventually said he'd been threatened with rape or something like that and that was what set him off.

Well, I guess I can't blaim him for that. You'd think people would know better than to discuss that on this thread.

[NuclearBuddha]

Alphyn wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

That would be... cute... but something I feel would be better suited for one with more cartoonistic skills than I.

Garrus and Tali playing ping-pong?

There was a sketch a while back of Garrus and Tali both in hoodies.  Add Kasumi.

[cannedcream]

Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I'm a sucker for a well written romance... and all four of them were brilliant.

But... Thane And Jack weren't there when you fought Saren, or when you made an assault on the Thorian, or when you took down the Rachni Queen. Garrus and Tali have been there with you, been there FOR you. You just can't beat that. It has an unmatchable intrinsic value.

That's why I firmly believe that they both offer the best romances in ME2, or just interactions in general. They were both good friends to Shepard in Mass Effect, two years have passed under the assumption Shepard has died, seeing them again sparks the relatiionship again. This time, the relationship grows into something more than being friends, one grants you a romance, the other a true platonic bond. It's beatifully written.

And the fact that that was a two year break for both Shepard and for us also did a lot to help us as the player to feel some of the same joy that Shepard might have felt for getting some of his old team back, or at least it did in my case.

[VettoRyouzou]

Phil725 wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
*snip*

True, I guess he has gone through a lot of crap.  I guess the one difference there is how you feel about a person's childhood.  Wrex still grew up with a perfectly normal life for his species.  You can say it was a harder life by human standards, but Wrex isn't a human.  Jack's problems were forced on her since she could walk.  She never experienced any kind of affection or love in her life.  Hell, her only enjoyment as a kid was when she was let out of her cage to kill other kids.

I'm inclined to think the person that wanted to change things, and
faced hardships because of it was more ready for the consequences. 
Being a radical voice of change is a personal choice that someone
makes, knowing the consequences.  I would think that Wrex expected to kill or be killed by his father once he made his stance.  Even if
he didn't expect it on the holy ground specfically.

Wrex had the choice to become a warrior or a krogan doctor, or a scientist trying to cure the genophage.  He chose his path.  Jack never had a choice.

Well you forgot become Warlord of Urdnot and direct the clans under his vision.... which very much happened.


Again we can agree that jack had a pretty ****ed up past and really no one can be as dark, But I guess what draw me to people like Wrex persay is when finally given a chance to make a choice.. They made sure it was one that stopped what happened and made sure it didn’t go on. Wrex sadly.. Is fighting a far more up hill battle.

Really.. Maybe that why I can’t hate the geth, the geth went threw allot of what the krogan did.. Krogan just had it worse.

Its funny that you mention a choice to do good, because that's kind of how I viewed Jack in ME2.  You break her out of jail, and give her an opportunity to help a lot of people.  Her actions on your team are the first time she's had a legitimate chance to do good.  I don't buy that she couldn't have ran away or gotten herself off the team somehow.  I feel like she wanted to help out.  Even if her tough exterior excuse was to kill people to repay you for breaking her out of jail.

By that token, I don't think Jack's story is done.  Staying with Shepard, she will have a lot more chance to make things right, maybe even stop a future Cerberus experiment using kids, or stop Cerberus altogether.  I feel like we're seeing the middle of Jack's story.  There's the screwed up beginning, that leads to her confused middle, and eventually I can see her breaking through it all and saving a lot of people.

Well my only hope Jack consult a hair dresser between Me2-me3.