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[chool77]

alright before i head out to school i want to share my ADD day dream .





how cool would it have been if the grand prize in the auction was a free trip to Bioware to meet all of the VA's and all the developers !!!................ what would you talk to them about?

[Archonsg]

VandalX187 wrote...

timedrake32 wrote...

VandalX187 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...
*snip*
That's why I'd prefer a romace "dlc" to be more akin to a "Romance Expansion". Something like say DA:O's expansion in size, with a real emphasis on telling a story / continuing the story of Shepard and his LI.

In Tali's case, since you have to have helped her and not used the evidence smearing her father's name to be able to romance her, it could start with a recall notice for Tali to return to the migrant fleet to take up respondsibilities as an admiral. Tali would of course refuse sparking an outcry against Shepard as the human who corrupted one of the Quarian's best.
Throw in oodles of political intrigue, choose the path towards "peace / war" in regards to the war with the geth, which would equate Shepard either fighting lots of geth and / wild life in search of a new / temporary home for the Quarians and in the process earn more then just passing respect from the Quarians.
Factor in a possible solution for Tali's / Quarian Immune system that can be used later in ME3 as well as getting to explore the Migrant fleet more and perhaps saving a few ships (or a faction within the fleet) and I think that there's more then enough to tie us over till ME3 yes? Or till another expansion.

Doesn't that seem a little too story heavy for DLC?  Pretty much all DLC is fluff/background story wise.  You're cutting a huge percentage of people out of big plot related stuff.  I just can't see them doing that.  What you list there is more likely to be the extent of Tali's involvement in ME3

That's also a ridiculous amount of content assuming this is a romance pack, for 6 different people, not just Tali.  I don't want to have to pay 25 dollars personally.

I still think the best way to implement romance DLC is to have you and you're LI have some dialogue somewhere regarding something like Shep's and their background.  Maybe even make it open up after the suicide mission, and you can actually have them discuss their relationship as it grows instead of it ending in an awkward dialogue loop.

Add in some awesome lines by Tali, and an enemy or two.  I would buy it.

I would pay 25 bucks for that

i'd pay $50

$75 going once going twice

That's too much.
For a full expansion, I'd say about $30.00 is the right price.

@ phil
Story heavy is precisely the point. While I do understand sure the above "wish list of to dos" is rather huge its something that I had thought about as to how Bioware could continue to "develop" how Shepard and Tali could grow in their relationship and how that relationship effect both the game and the people affected by their romance.
Though if anyone could give some life to the other LIs, its Bioware. But you are right, Tali's has a huge advantage in that department.
Anyways, that is what I'd like to see, not silly cosmetic DLCs but rather, a full story laden expansion.
I'd pay $30.00 for that.

@goat
Thanks bro.
Wished I had written it all down when I had the chance though. The "above" was really something I thought of in terms of a "fan fic" but as I have admitted before, I can't write really big pieces / novellas anymore.  Does not stop me from thinking up crap though. Since being an admiral is more then just randomly pointing a direction for the fleet to go. Tali and Shepard has to learn some basic fleet maneuvering / space naval combat rules. ("Close in and finish them off!" *face palm* Shepard you dolt!)
The other LI's especially Jacob suffers from stories that are unfortunately not as well written nor as laden with potential. Hello Migrant Fleet, search for a new / way to retake old home, political backstabbing? Yup, Tali's "story" is so heavily stacked against the others its no  joke.

Modifié par Archonsg, 14 avril 2010 - 04:12 .

[Phil725]

Zack56 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

Zack56 wrote...

Gentlemen.
*snip*

*Spits soda on the wall to avoid the laptop* Dude... That can't be real... That HAS to be edited... right?

relax... its most likely only worth a buck or so...

100,000,000,000 Zimbobwe = 264,061,262,212.8334 American. I checked with this currency converter.

http://finance.yahoo...o=USD;amt=10000

I don't think that's updated.  I used something similar to get 2,000 dollars equals 5 dollars on the last page.  Then the wikipedia link shows 100 billion Zimbabwe dollars buying 3 eggs.  Hyperinflation's a b*tch

[Shazzammer2]

chool77 wrote...

alright before i head out to school i want to share my ADD day dream .


how cool would it have been if the grand prize in the auction was a free trip to Bioware to meet all of the VA's and all the developers !!!................ what would you talk to them about?

I would act like a bumbling fool ...

I'm not one for chit chat really. I avoid it at all costs.

[Goat_Shepard]

Phil725 wrote...
Well, yeah, I was avoiding saying that outright, but the fact that there are so many pitfalls regarding Tali goes back to mixed feelings from Bioware.

I don't know about not trying to spoil it.  Why have her in there at all if you aren't going to spoil it?  Also, if you're catering to people on the internet 5 days before release looking for info on the game, do you really worrying about spoiling things like that?  At that point, you've already spoiled that Tali is a character in the game again, why not go all the way and find out if she's romanceable?  It isn't like you're going around spoiling it for everyone, just people specifically looking for the info.

False info doesn't seem like a very good idea.  That's a good way to tic off legions of people when the reason they bought the game was a lie

Mixed feelings? Explain.

And I mean they were teasing us with Talimance. Showing Miranda's bewbs = main LI. Showing Samara in the trailer at all = false information.

[NuclearBuddha]

Phil725 wrote...

Zack56 wrote...

100,000,000,000 Zimbobwe = 264,061,262,212.8334 American. I checked with this currency converter.

http://finance.yahoo...o=USD;amt=10000

I don't think that's updated.  I used something similar to get 2,000 dollars equals 5 dollars on the last page.  Then the wikipedia link shows 100 billion Zimbabwe dollars buying 3 eggs.  Hyperinflation's a b*tch

They can't possibly keep a web converter up to date.  The inflation is rising at like 500% daily.

[Kami102]

Alright guys! Screw it!



-Builds a Time Machine to go into the future and meet Tali-



HUZZAH!

-poof-

[VandalX187]

Phil725 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
*snip*

Don't get me wrong, I understand perfectly why Tali doesn't show up in marketing and stuff like that.  Her character just isn't marketable to anyone except people who already played the first game (marketing for ME2,) and those people are going to buy ME2 anyway.  It's more of a question of why they don't capitalize on her popularity now.

I was very surprised with Tali's involvement in the launch trailer for that reason.  Moreso because a day or so before that was out, they released the romance trailer, in which Samara was plastered all over it, with Tali getting half a second of screen time.  I'm still not sure that Tali specifically being involved in the launch trailer was any big sign.  They could've done the same thing with any character to have a similar marketing effect.  It could be as simple as Tali is the likely one to be in that scene.

You mean Tali is most likely to be falling to her death needing to be saved? I resent that remark <_<

Funny thing, that romance trailer. I think maybe they were trying not to spoil the romance. If I were Bioware I'd release all kinds of false (but not bad) info about the game. I'm very happy Bioware didn't spoil the Talimance for me...Kelly did.

Well, yeah, I was avoiding saying that outright, but the fact that there are so many pitfalls regarding Tali goes back to mixed feelings from Bioware.

I don't know about not trying to spoil it.  Why have her in there at all if you aren't going to spoil it?  Also, if you're catering to people on the internet 5 days before release looking for info on the game, do you really worrying about spoiling things like that?  At that point, you've already spoiled that Tali is a character in the game again, why not go all the way and find out if she's romanceable?  It isn't like you're going around spoiling it for everyone, just people specifically looking for the info.

False info doesn't seem like a very good idea.  That's a good way to tic off legions of people when the reason they bought the game was a lie

quoting EA rep "no she isn't gonna work at all. I mean look at her she looks like Mother Theresa with that headdress" Bioware rep stares him down then falcon punches him

[NuclearBuddha]

chool77 wrote...

alright before i head out to school i want to share my ADD day dream .


how cool would it have been if the grand prize in the auction was a free trip to Bioware to meet all of the VA's and all the developers !!!................ what would you talk to them about?

"So, mind if we have a look-see at the unsuited quarian concept art?  I'm only going to ask nicely once."

[Phil725]

Archonsg wrote...
*snip*

That's too much.
For a full expansion, I'd say about $30.00 is the right price.

@ phil
Story heavy is precisely the point. While I do understand sure the above "wish list of to dos" is rather huge its something that I had thought about as to how Bioware could continue to "develop" how Shepard and Tali could grow in their relationship and how that relationship effect both the game and the people affected by their romance.
Though if anyone could give some life to the other LIs, its Bioware. But you are right, Tali's has a huge advantage in that department.
Anyways, that is what I'd like to see, not silly cosmetic DLCs but rather, a full story laden expansion.
I'd pay $30.00 for that.

@goat
Thanks bro.
Wished I had written it all down when I had the chance though. The "above" was really something I thought of in terms of a "fan fic" but as I have admitted before, I can't write really big pieces / novellas anymore.  Does not stop me from thinking up crap though. Since being an admiral is more then just randomly pointing a direction for the fleet to go. Tali and Shepard has to learn some basic fleet maneuvering / space naval combat rules. ("Close in and finish them off!" *face palm* Shepard you dolt!)
The other LI's especially Jacob suffers from stories that are unfortunately not as well written nor as laden with potential. Hello Migrant Fleet, search for a new / way to retake old home, political backstabbing? Yup, Tali's "story" is so heavily stacked against the others its no  joke.

Full expansion is different than DLC, yeah.  I was more talking about a 5-10 dollar dlc, that would give people something to talk about in a few months when interest in ME2 is all but gone.  Wouldn't be anything substantial, just a talking point before they start drumming up interest for ME3.

Honestly, I don't know much about expansions, but the stuff you describe seems more fitting for ME3.  Why do you have to squeeze in a bunch of extra stuff in between games when you have a sequal coming out in a year?  You could always save the romance expansion for after ME3 if the game ends with the defeat of the reapers.  There could be plenty of content for that.

[Archonsg]

Okies folks.

Gotta go crash.

Have to wake up in 3+ hrs and head to work.



*poof!*

[Shazzammer2]

The only reason why Samara and Miranda both had more screen time in that trailer is because well... sex sells. Sex sells ... sex sells. Its proven time and time again.



Alas ... Tali isn't a sex symbol. Which I am totally great full for.

[NuclearBuddha]

Archonsg wrote...
That's too much.
For a full expansion, I'd say about $30.00 is the right price.

@ phil
Story heavy is precisely the point. While I do understand sure the above "wish list of to dos" is rather huge its something that I had thought about as to how Bioware could continue to "develop" how Shepard and Tali could grow in their relationship and how that relationship effect both the game and the people affected by their romance.
Though if anyone could give some life to the other LIs, its Bioware. But you are right, Tali's has a huge advantage in that department.
Anyways, that is what I'd like to see, not silly cosmetic DLCs but rather, a full story laden expansion.
I'd pay $30.00 for that.

@goat
Thanks bro.
Wished I had written it all down when I had the chance though. The "above" was really something I thought of in terms of a "fan fic" but as I have admitted before, I can't write really big pieces / novellas anymore.  Does not stop me from thinking up crap though. Since being an admiral is more then just randomly pointing a direction for the fleet to go. Tali and Shepard has to learn some basic fleet maneuvering / space naval combat rules. ("Close in and finish them off!" *face palm* Shepard you dolt!)
The other LI's especially Jacob suffers from stories that are unfortunately not as well written nor as laden with potential. Hello Migrant Fleet, search for a new / way to retake old home, political backstabbing? Yup, Tali's "story" is so heavily stacked against the others its no  joke.

Any possible romance DLC is going to have to be Shep-centric rather than LI-specific.  Something exploring the different Shep backgrounds would be far easier than something for each specific LI.

[Shazzammer2]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

chool77 wrote...

alright before i head out to school i want to share my ADD day dream .


how cool would it have been if the grand prize in the auction was a free trip to Bioware to meet all of the VA's and all the developers !!!................ what would you talk to them about?

"So, mind if we have a look-see at the unsuited quarian concept art?  I'm only going to ask nicely once."

Liz Sroka : ..... SECURITY!!!!

[NuclearBuddha]

Shazzammer2 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

chool77 wrote...

alright before i head out to school i want to share my ADD day dream .


how cool would it have been if the grand prize in the auction was a free trip to Bioware to meet all of the VA's and all the developers !!!................ what would you talk to them about?

"So, mind if we have a look-see at the unsuited quarian concept art?  I'm only going to ask nicely once."

Liz Sroka : ..... SECURITY!!!!

"Oh, hey, Liz.  Didn't see you there.  Can to you me what it was like to meet Chuck Norris?  He's really short, right?"

[Phil725]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
Well, yeah, I was avoiding saying that outright, but the fact that there are so many pitfalls regarding Tali goes back to mixed feelings from Bioware.

I don't know about not trying to spoil it.  Why have her in there at all if you aren't going to spoil it?  Also, if you're catering to people on the internet 5 days before release looking for info on the game, do you really worrying about spoiling things like that?  At that point, you've already spoiled that Tali is a character in the game again, why not go all the way and find out if she's romanceable?  It isn't like you're going around spoiling it for everyone, just people specifically looking for the info.

False info doesn't seem like a very good idea.  That's a good way to tic off legions of people when the reason they bought the game was a lie

Mixed feelings? Explain.

And I mean they were teasing us with Talimance. Showing Miranda's bewbs = main LI. Showing Samara in the trailer at all = false information.

This is going to come off sounding fanboyish, but the mixed feelings comes from Tali always having the best lines and stuff like that.  Its all opinion really, but you can make the best case for Tali being the canon romance, and her romance and loyalty mission seem to have more effort put into them than the others.

On the other hand, she gets no marketing, there's no merchandise for her, and she's the easiest to kill on the suicide mission.

And the trailer was only showcasing the women of ME2 I believe.  I don't think there was any specific mention of those being romanceable characters.  People may have assumed, but that's different than false info.

[Goat_Shepard]

Phil725 wrote...
Full expansion is different than DLC, yeah.  I was more talking about a 5-10 dollar dlc, that would give people something to talk about in a few months when interest in ME2 is all but gone.  Wouldn't be anything substantial, just a talking point before they start drumming up interest for ME3.

Honestly, I don't know much about expansions, but the stuff you describe seems more fitting for ME3.  Why do you have to squeeze in a bunch of extra stuff in between games when you have a sequal coming out in a year?  You could always save the romance expansion for after ME3 if the game ends with the defeat of the reapers.  There could be plenty of content for that.

Agreed, that's why I don't care either way. I know they'll keep coming out with DLC after the trilogy ends. I'm going to be a happy gamer..well I already am...but will be even happier
I'm feeling like ME3 will be even more legendary than ME2 Tali and Shepard's ending...as sad as that idea sounds..will be delivered in epic fashion

[VandalX187]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Shazzammer2 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

chool77 wrote...

alright before i head out to school i want to share my ADD day dream .


how cool would it have been if the grand prize in the auction was a free trip to Bioware to meet all of the VA's and all the developers !!!................ what would you talk to them about?

"So, mind if we have a look-see at the unsuited quarian concept art?  I'm only going to ask nicely once."

Liz Sroka : ..... SECURITY!!!!

"Oh, hey, Liz.  Didn't see you there.  Can to you me what it was like to meet Chuck Norris?  He's really short, right?"

chuck norris has the genophage cure and his blood could help the Quarians with thier immune system problems he doen't care about having different dextro amino acids

[Phil725]

Shazzammer2 wrote...

The only reason why Samara and Miranda both had more screen time in that trailer is because well... sex sells. Sex sells ... sex sells. Its proven time and time again.

Alas ... Tali isn't a sex symbol. Which I am totally great full for.

Of course.  I'm perfectly content with the Tali that we have now

I would actually expect slightly more Tali related stuff leading up to ME3 than ME2 though.

[NuclearBuddha]

Phil725 wrote...

This is going to come off sounding fanboyish, but the mixed feelings comes from Tali always having the best lines and stuff like that.  Its all opinion really, but you can make the best case for Tali being the canon romance, and her romance and loyalty mission seem to have more effort put into them than the others.

On the other hand, she gets no marketing, there's no merchandise for her, and she's the easiest to kill on the suicide mission.

And the trailer was only showcasing the women of ME2 I believe.  I don't think there was any specific mention of those being romanceable characters.  People may have assumed, but that's different than false info.

Um, she's one of four to have figurines at this point, I think.

[Shazzammer2]

Phil725 wrote...

Shazzammer2 wrote...

The only reason why Samara and Miranda both had more screen time in that trailer is because well... sex sells. Sex sells ... sex sells. Its proven time and time again.

Alas ... Tali isn't a sex symbol. Which I am totally great full for.

Of course.  I'm perfectly content with the Tali that we have now

I would actually expect slightly more Tali related stuff leading up to ME3 than ME2 though.

Of course!

... if Bioware had its way. <_<

[Goat_Shepard]

Phil725 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
Well, yeah, I was avoiding saying that outright, but the fact that there are so many pitfalls regarding Tali goes back to mixed feelings from Bioware.

I don't know about not trying to spoil it.  Why have her in there at all if you aren't going to spoil it?  Also, if you're catering to people on the internet 5 days before release looking for info on the game, do you really worrying about spoiling things like that?  At that point, you've already spoiled that Tali is a character in the game again, why not go all the way and find out if she's romanceable?  It isn't like you're going around spoiling it for everyone, just people specifically looking for the info.

False info doesn't seem like a very good idea.  That's a good way to tic off legions of people when the reason they bought the game was a lie

Mixed feelings? Explain.

And I mean they were teasing us with Talimance. Showing Miranda's bewbs = main LI. Showing Samara in the trailer at all = false information.

This is going to come off sounding fanboyish, but the mixed feelings comes from Tali always having the best lines and stuff like that.  Its all opinion really, but you can make the best case for Tali being the canon romance, and her romance and loyalty mission seem to have more effort put into them than the others.

On the other hand, she gets no marketing, there's no merchandise for her, and she's the easiest to kill on the suicide mission.

And the trailer was only showcasing the women of ME2 I believe.  I don't think there was any specific mention of those being romanceable characters.  People may have assumed, but that's different than false info.

I thought it was called "The Romance trailer"?

Anyway, I completely understand that. Like Shazz said, she's not a sex symbol like Miranda and Samara, yet she seems to be the canon choice (I say that lightly, since I know many many people who don't even know Tali is a LI) but regardless, she has the most dialogue, interesting background, you can't fit her whole loyalty mission in a quick trailer (although they tried). You need to experience Tali in the game, the epicness is lost in a trailer.

Still a shame because people will avoid her in game because she's nowhere to be found in marketing (besides an action figure)

[Phil725]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

This is going to come off sounding fanboyish, but the mixed feelings comes from Tali always having the best lines and stuff like that.  Its all opinion really, but you can make the best case for Tali being the canon romance, and her romance and loyalty mission seem to have more effort put into them than the others.

On the other hand, she gets no marketing, there's no merchandise for her, and she's the easiest to kill on the suicide mission.

And the trailer was only showcasing the women of ME2 I believe.  I don't think there was any specific mention of those being romanceable characters.  People may have assumed, but that's different than false info.

Um, she's one of four to have figurines at this point, I think.

Honestly, I'm not up to date on any merchandise stuff.  I was going off the quote a page or two back saying that Tali has no official merchandise in the Bioware store.

[VandalX187]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

This is going to come off sounding fanboyish, but the mixed feelings comes from Tali always having the best lines and stuff like that.  Its all opinion really, but you can make the best case for Tali being the canon romance, and her romance and loyalty mission seem to have more effort put into them than the others.

On the other hand, she gets no marketing, there's no merchandise for her, and she's the easiest to kill on the suicide mission.

And the trailer was only showcasing the women of ME2 I believe.  I don't think there was any specific mention of those being romanceable characters.  People may have assumed, but that's different than false info.

Um, she's one of four to have figurines at this point, I think.

I hope she will be on the cover box art for ME3 that would bring a big smile to my face

[epoch_]

It's ash's birthday today. Go wish her a happy birthday!!



When is tali's birthday?