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[VandalX187]

sergio71785 wrote...

cannedcream wrote...
Now, I might be wrong, but I had the feeling that Tali was hesitant to remove her mask for Shepard, not because she was afraid of dying for him, but because she was afraid that he would bear the guilt of her death.
As she said, quarians have to think about other people all the time. For so long she's been trying to do what she thinks is best for Shepard and, in her own eyes, since she can't do the things that people in 'normal' relationships can do, she must not be good enough for him.
Gah! It's making me sad again!

"Shepard, I'm… being selfish… with you. I shouldn't be with you. You deserve someone that—there are so many women out there… that can make you happier than me…" Tali said quietly, somewhat nervously. Shepard was about to interrupt her, but she continued speaking, with more momentum and focus. "All the things you had to do tonight so that we could be together. Using the decontamination unit to sterilize this room--with any other woman you wouldn't have to do that! With any other woman you could look at her face whenever you felt like it. Feel her skin whenever you wanted to. Kiss her, and make love to her with no concern. Any other woman isn't trapped in some damned suit, with a damned helmet on her head. You just… deserve all that, Shepard. That's why I'm… being selfish by being with you."

Tali's eyes began to water, but she continued speaking, her voice wavering "What if you wanted children one day? I can't even do that! Millions of human women can, millions of Asari can! It's just not—it isn't fair! You…deserve better." She could no longer hold her tears back, and began crying again, into Shepard's neck. A gentle whimper was heard, as she cried: "I… just want you to be happy…"

awww I remember reading this made me sob too

[sergio71785]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Oh God... I cried womanly tears from that fic.

And then it rebounded straight to manly tears.

The depressed Krogan scout served his purpose. 

[Collider]

Azint wrote...

Her talks in the first game were an obvious indicator that she was happy to be with Shepard. One of the eariler ones was about how the quiet of the ship bothered Tali and she tells Shepard about how she feels about being away from her home. Then she opens up about how she was never really treated the same way Shepard does-assuming you do treat her well. There is even the oppurtunity to help her on her own personal quest and save her the trouble she was initially out for, the Pilgrimage. At home people expect much of her, during her Pilgrimage she was treated poorly for being a quarian, Shepard is genuinely caring, initially as a friend.

It's easy to see how she would develope her feelings, saved by this ace Commander, traveling across the galaxy in a fight to save it. For the first time in her life; she is comfortable where she is. But Tali is afraid to admit that she has developed an interest because of who this man is; a big hero, a human, a friend. She is judging wether or not that this is love or just a crush, but before she ever really got to find out, he dies. Tali has been carrying this for two years, the man she thought she may have loved has been gone, and she has been thinking about him. Then they meet again.

And you know the rest.

Excellent post Azint, perfectly written. I agree completely, this is likely how she felt and went through. Shepard treats Tali for herself, as an individual rather than just another Quarian. I can see why she likes him.

[Lividity Jones]

sergio71785 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Oh God... I cried womanly tears from that fic.

And then it rebounded straight to manly tears.

The depressed Krogan scout served his purpose. 

Indeed. Inadvertantly saved their relationship one of it's biggest difficulties.

[cannedcream]

Collider wrote...
Another good point. The relationship wouldn't be as other relationships would, it would have complications. As you said, she wants the best for Shepard, and she thought it may have been best for him to find someone else. She has great respect for him.

And at the same time she seems to have so little self esteem. Okay, maybe that might be me thinking that because of how humble she's being, but then again: being a part of a race that is universally despised, having a absent father and a mother that 'faded into the background' when she was alive, Tali probably doesn't think too highly of herself

Switching gears a tiny bit, one thing I'm afraid of is that Tali will always be trying to tell Shepard that it's okay if he wants someone else. It's not okay, and she would be crushed, I feel, but she wants him to be happy even if the person that does that is not her.
I really hope there comes a point that she realized that Shepard loves her for her and if he's willing to fight for their relationship, that she will too.
I guess what I'm saying is that, if there came a moment were someone else wanted Shepard (like the past LI if you had one) that Tali would not meekly step aside, but rather say; "Shepard is mine, I love him, and I'll do anything to stay with him".

[VandalX187]

sergio71785 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Oh God... I cried womanly tears from that fic.

And then it rebounded straight to manly tears.

The depressed Krogan scout served his purpose. 

oh sergio your LOLsergio from youtube if you are thanks for those videos your great!!!

[sergio71785]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Indeed. Inadvertantly saved their relationship one of it's biggest difficulties.

Well, I wouldn't go that far, but he indirectly helped end her sadness, which is pretty much the biggest krogan contribution since the rachni wars. <3

[sergio71785]

VandalX187 wrote...

oh sergio your LOLsergio from youtube if you are thanks for those videos your great!!!

Well, it's technically lolSergio, but yeah that's me. and thanks. 

[Lividity Jones]

cannedcream wrote...

Collider wrote...
Another good point. The relationship wouldn't be as other relationships would, it would have complications. As you said, she wants the best for Shepard, and she thought it may have been best for him to find someone else. She has great respect for him.

And at the same time she seems to have so little self esteem. Okay, maybe that might be me thinking that because of how humble she's being, but then again: being a part of a race that is universally despised, having a absent father and a mother that 'faded into the background' when she was alive, Tali probably doesn't think too highly of herself

Switching gears a tiny bit, one thing I'm afraid of is that Tali will always be trying to tell Shepard that it's okay if he wants someone else. It's not okay, and she would be crushed, I feel, but she wants him to be happy even if the person that does that is not her.
I really hope there comes a point that she realized that Shepard loves her for her and if he's willing to fight for their relationship, that she will too.
I guess what I'm saying is that, if there came a moment were someone else wanted Shepard (like the past LI if you had one) that Tali would not meekly step aside, but rather say; "Shepard is mine, I love him, and I'll do anything to stay with him".

This makes sense not just on a personal level, in my opinion, but a cultural one. I get the feeling that quarians would be very protective of their partners. How often do they get to say something is theirs? The level of intimacy that goes into such a relationship would breed protectiveness.

[cannedcream]

Lividity Jones wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

cannedcream wrote...
Now, I might be wrong, but I had the feeling that Tali was hesitant to remove her mask for Shepard, not because she was afraid of dying for him, but because she was afraid that he would bear the guilt of her death.
As she said, quarians have to think about other people all the time. For so long she's been trying to do what she thinks is best for Shepard and, in her own eyes, since she can't do the things that people in 'normal' relationships can do, she must not be good enough for him.
Gah! It's making me sad again!

"Shepard, I'm… being selfish… with you. I shouldn't be with you. You deserve someone that—there are so many women out there… that can make you happier than me…" Tali said quietly, somewhat nervously. Shepard was about to interrupt her, but she continued speaking, with more momentum and focus. "All the things you had to do tonight so that we could be together. Using the decontamination unit to sterilize this room--with any other woman you wouldn't have to do that! With any other woman you could look at her face whenever you felt like it. Feel her skin whenever you wanted to. Kiss her, and make love to her with no concern. Any other woman isn't trapped in some damned suit, with a damned helmet on her head. You just… deserve all that, Shepard. That's why I'm… being selfish by being with you."

Tali's eyes began to water, but she continued speaking, her voice wavering "What if you wanted children one day? I can't even do that! Millions of human women can, millions of Asari can! It's just not—it isn't fair! You…deserve better." She could no longer hold her tears back, and began crying again, into Shepard's neck. A gentle whimper was heard, as she cried: "I… just want you to be happy…"

Oh God... I cried womanly tears from that fic.

And then it rebounded straight to manly tears.

Oh. . .my God my insides have just been torn out again!!!!

I. . .I need to go look at Spider E-Mail one more time before I curl up into a ball on the floor and sob.

[Phil725]

cannedcream wrote...
*snip*

Switching gears a tiny bit, one thing I'm afraid of is that Tali will always be trying to tell Shepard that it's okay if he wants someone else. It's not okay, and she would be crushed, I feel, but she wants him to be happy even if the person that does that is not her.
I really hope there comes a point that she realized that Shepard loves her for her and if he's willing to fight for their relationship, that she will too.
I guess what I'm saying is that, if there came a moment were someone else wanted Shepard (like the past LI if you had one) that Tali would not meekly step aside, but rather say; "Shepard is mine, I love him, and I'll do anything to stay with him".

My biggest complaint with the romance in ME2 is that there is no opportunity to tell her that she is the only one you want to be with, to the point where she stops asking you if you want to break up.

Its an interesting point about a conflict between your ME1 LI and Tali.  Hopefully by that point you can convince her that she's the only one that you want.  I would like it if Tali stood up for your love.

[Lividity Jones]

sergio71785 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Indeed. Inadvertantly saved their relationship one of it's biggest difficulties.

Well, I wouldn't go that far, but he indirectly helped end her sadness, which is pretty much the biggest krogan contribution since the rachni wars. <3

Truth. It is kind of convoluted when you think about it.

[Collider]

cannedcream wrote...

Switching gears a tiny bit, one thing I'm afraid of is that Tali will always be trying to tell Shepard that it's okay if he wants someone else. It's not okay, and she would be crushed, I feel, but she wants him to be happy even if the person that does that is not her.

I think by the time he takes off the mask, part of that dissolves. You can see how happy she is to finally be with her love face to face, to finally taste his lips. I don't think Tali would say those words again.

I guess what I'm saying is that, if there came a moment were someone else wanted Shepard (like the past LI if you had one) that Tali would not meekly step aside, but rather say; "Shepard is mine, I love him, and I'll do anything to stay with him".

I think so too. I think by the time she kisses him she wants to be with him forever, and hold him close just as he holds her close. When she said "I understand if you want someone else" she doesn't mean that she wouldn't be crushed or sad if he doesn't choose her, she was just being her selfless self. But I think that when ME3 rolls around, if any other woman tries to make her moves on Shepard, she's definitely going to speak out with conviction.

[Azint]

cannedcream wrote...

And at the same time she seems to have so little self esteem. Okay, maybe that might be me thinking that because of how humble she's being, but then again: being a part of a race that is universally despised, having a absent father and a mother that 'faded into the background' when she was alive, Tali probably doesn't think too highly of herself

Switching gears a tiny bit, one thing I'm afraid of is that Tali will always be trying to tell Shepard that it's okay if he wants someone else. It's not okay, and she would be crushed, I feel, but she wants him to be happy even if the person that does that is not her.
I really hope there comes a point that she realized that Shepard loves her for her and if he's willing to fight for their relationship, that she will too.
I guess what I'm saying is that, if there came a moment were someone else wanted Shepard (like the past LI if you had one) that Tali would not meekly step aside, but rather say; "Shepard is mine, I love him, and I'll do anything to stay with him".

I don't want to sound trite but I would stick with Tali.

[cannedcream]

VandalX187 wrote...

its okay... come here

That was vastly inappropriate, Van! <_<

. . .But okay.

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...
My biggest complaint with the romance in ME2 is that there is no opportunity to tell her that she is the only one you want to be with, to the point where she stops asking you if you want to break up.

You actually kind of do. At one point in the second conversation Shepard says "But I don't want anyone else. I want you."

Its an interesting point about a conflict between your ME1 LI and Tali.  Hopefully by that point you can convince her that she's the only one that you want.  I would like it if Tali stood up for your love.

I think she would. I could see her being a little hurt if Shepard had someone else before her though, and never properly ended it. I think the most ideal way to go is to have no ME1 LI.

[chool77]

alright...im off to bed



hope you all have good night

[VandalX187]

cannedcream wrote...

Collider wrote...
Another good point. The relationship wouldn't be as other relationships would, it would have complications. As you said, she wants the best for Shepard, and she thought it may have been best for him to find someone else. She has great respect for him.

And at the same time she seems to have so little self esteem. Okay, maybe that might be me thinking that because of how humble she's being, but then again: being a part of a race that is universally despised, having a absent father and a mother that 'faded into the background' when she was alive, Tali probably doesn't think too highly of herself

Switching gears a tiny bit, one thing I'm afraid of is that Tali will always be trying to tell Shepard that it's okay if he wants someone else. It's not okay, and she would be crushed, I feel, but she wants him to be happy even if the person that does that is not her.
I really hope there comes a point that she realized that Shepard loves her for her and if he's willing to fight for their relationship, that she will too.
I guess what I'm saying is that, if there came a moment were someone else wanted Shepard (like the past LI if you had one) that Tali would not meekly step aside, but rather say; "Shepard is mine, I love him, and I'll do anything to stay with him".

oh man I hope your right because "there will be repercutions in ME3" and thats coming straight from Casey Hudson's mouth

[Azint]

Phil725 wrote...

My biggest complaint with the romance in ME2 is that there is no opportunity to tell her that she is the only one you want to be with, to the point where she stops asking you if you want to break up.

Its an interesting point about a conflict between your ME1 LI and Tali.  Hopefully by that point you can convince her that she's the only one that you want.  I would like it if Tali stood up for your love.

That's just part of her character, Tali is insecure about her love. She is very nervous that she may not be 'good enough' for Shepard, being a quarian and being so shy about her affection. Tali wants to know that Shepard will love her back, and as much as she wants to be with him, she would rather let Shepard choose.

[VandalX187]

cannedcream wrote...

VandalX187 wrote...

its okay... come here

That was vastly inappropriate, Van! <_<

. . .But okay.

your talking too much is that a defence mechanism
sorry had to do it. did it with chool earlier. no ******

[Collider]

Azint wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

My biggest complaint with the romance in ME2 is that there is no opportunity to tell her that she is the only one you want to be with, to the point where she stops asking you if you want to break up.

Its an interesting point about a conflict between your ME1 LI and Tali.  Hopefully by that point you can convince her that she's the only one that you want.  I would like it if Tali stood up for your love.

That's just part of her character, Tali is insecure about her love. She is very nervous that she may not be 'good enough' for Shepard, being a quarian and being so shy about her affection. Tali wants to know that Shepard will love her back, and as much as she wants to be with him, she would rather let Shepard choose.

Very good point Azint.

[sergio71785]

I don't think it'll happen, since I imagine by this point she'll be more 'confident' (if that's the right word) with herself in regards to being in a relationship with Shepard, but if during the confrontation between Tali and the ME1 LI, she says something like:

"Shepard... I love you and wish I could be with you for the rest of our lives. But... *sigh* I want you to be happy and... you'd be happier... with her..."

I'll probably cry as I smash my mouse clicking the "choose tali" dialog option.

Modifié par sergio71785, 16 avril 2010 - 07:35 .

[cannedcream]

Azint wrote...

I don't want to sound trite but I would stick with Tali.

This is because you are a sane human being with a SOUL!

But, I'm just saying is; if I was with someone and they kept saying that it would be okay if I wanted someone else, even if they were saying these things for completely selfless reasons, I would start to wonder if it wasn't a hint that the girl really wanted me to go, but was too nice or scared to break up.

I don't know if Shep would feel the same, but it's always nice to see that the person you're with it willing to defend you.


But, if anyone here break's Tali's heart, I break your kneecaps. Got me?