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[Collider]

Night folks. Wonderful conversation we had. Wish they will continue to happen. cya

[VandalX187]

Azint wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

I'm not afraid of repercussions personally.  I've convinced myself that it can't be anything serious when you have an ME1 LI if you talked to your crew and weren't a complete ass, or didn't play ME1 at all.  Then you can't break up in ME2.  So basically, unless you played ME1 specifically waiting for Tali, you have the conflict coming up.  I can't see how its going to be more serious than the ME1 conflict.  They both approach you, you choose Tali, and Ashley/Liara go to their mad at you dialogue.

It does make me curious as to that Tali would say if you choose the other woman. It will take some effort on my part...

heres hoping for a better loyalty system in ME3 and the choices you make in the previous games sets different squadmates loyalties at the start of the ME3 so romancing Tali would give lots of loyalty to her. something like that maybe

[Azint]

VandalX187 wrote...

hmm I wonder they really are  I justed realized I don't like it when "tali" comes to this thread cause I know its not really her (please do'nt hit me) 

I don't mind them being here, it actually is fun sometimes-- Tali even quoted me today.

But what does annoy me is when this thread is filled with posts such as:

TALI HUG ME PLEASE!
TALI I LOVE YOU!
HUGZZZZZZZ
IS TALI STILL HERE?
WHY WON'T YOU LOVE ME?
HI TALI! HI!!!!!!!!!

That gets old very quickly.

[Phil725]

Lividity Jones wrote...
*snip*

Again, the statement "I don't want anyone else. I want you." is pretty exclusive.

Having a previous romance, in my opinion, cheapens Tali's romance thoroughly.

"I don't want anyone else. I want you."

"Oh really? What about Liara?"

That doesn't even get brought up!

The statement is pretty exclusive, but its also present tense.  Sure Shep had Ashley/Liara in the past, he probably had plenty of other girls pre ME1.  None of those matter now, because Tali is the only one for him.

That said, I don't think anyone is challenging that the Tali relationship is better with a ME1 LI.  Just that I can't see it having any real negative effects.

[sergio71785]

"This means something to me, it means a lot. But I don't want... to share you"

And then Meer's voice acting skyrockets far above the norm (and I'm actually a fan of his voice acting!) 

[VandalX187]

Azint wrote...

VandalX187 wrote...

hmm I wonder they really are  I justed realized I don't like it when "tali" comes to this thread cause I know its not really her (please do'nt hit me) 

I don't mind them being here, it actually is fun sometimes-- Tali even quoted me today.

But what does annoy me is when this thread is filled with posts such as:

TALI HUG ME PLEASE!
TALI I LOVE YOU!
HUGZZZZZZZ
IS TALI STILL HERE?
WHY WON'T YOU LOVE ME?
HI TALI! HI!!!!!!!!!

That gets old very quickly.

Its some Bioware person playing her right? it has to that would make me feel a little better

[Azint]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Again, the statement "I don't want anyone else. I want you." is pretty exclusive.

Having a previous romance, in my opinion, cheapens Tali's romance thoroughly.

"I don't want anyone else. I want you."

"Oh really? What about Liara?"

That doesn't even get brought up!

The problem with that is how arbitrary the romance worked in Mass Effect, it almost ruined the three characters for me. You could not just talk to Ashley or Liara without a romance growing, it happened whether or not you wanted it to. At least in Mass Effect 2 they are much more flexible about it, even Tali understands that not all playthroughs are for her. She's so selfless.

[Lividity Jones]

Phil725 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...
*snip*

Again, the statement "I don't want anyone else. I want you." is pretty exclusive.

Having a previous romance, in my opinion, cheapens Tali's romance thoroughly.

"I don't want anyone else. I want you."

"Oh really? What about Liara?"

That doesn't even get brought up!

The statement is pretty exclusive, but its also present tense.  Sure Shep had Ashley/Liara in the past, he probably had plenty of other girls pre ME1.  None of those matter now, because Tali is the only one for him.

That said, I don't think anyone is challenging that the Tali relationship is better with a ME1 LI.  Just that I can't see it having any real negative effects.

True. I prefer not having a romance in ME1 because I like the idea of both Shepard and Tali having feelings for each other and trying to sort them out without the other knowing.

Think of it as a two-sided Oblivious To Love.

[Phil725]

VandalX187 wrote...

*snip*
heres hoping for a better loyalty system in ME3 and the choices you make in the previous games sets different squadmates loyalties at the start of the ME3 so romancing Tali would give lots of loyalty to her. something like that maybe

I actually don't see loyalty being a big factor in ME3.  You should already have it going into the game.  That's what ME2 was for

I really can't imagine anything that you could do to increase the loyalty to Tali after romancing her.

I see a situation similar to ME1.  Everyone starts out more or less liking you, and they continue to like you without much interaction.  You can purposely turn them on you, but you have to do it on purpose really.

[Lividity Jones]

sergio71785 wrote...

"This means something to me, it means a lot. But I don't want... to share you"

And then Meer's voice acting skyrockets far above the norm (and I'm actually a fan of his voice acting!) 

That man is a Talimancer. He simply has to be.

[Phil725]

Azint wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Again, the statement "I don't want anyone else. I want you." is pretty exclusive.

Having a previous romance, in my opinion, cheapens Tali's romance thoroughly.

"I don't want anyone else. I want you."

"Oh really? What about Liara?"

That doesn't even get brought up!

The problem with that is how arbitrary the romance worked in Mass Effect, it almost ruined the three characters for me. You could not just talk to Ashley or Liara without a romance growing, it happened whether or not you wanted it to. At least in Mass Effect 2 they are much more flexible about it, even Tali understands that not all playthroughs are for her. She's so selfless.

That's my biggest complaint about Jack.  I really like her, but I can't be nice to her without eventually having to let her down.

[Azint]

VandalX187 wrote...

Its some Bioware person playing her right? it has to that would make me feel a little better

It's pretty split, I don't think so, many agree. But some are suspicous.

[cannedcream]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Collider wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...
The default ME2 game has you romanced with Ashley.

???? New Shepards don't romance anyone in ME1.
I still think that no ME1 LI is the safest and best way to go. I'm sure Tali would like to think she's Shepard's one and only.

Again, the statement "I don't want anyone else. I want you." is pretty exclusive.

Having a previous romance, in my opinion, cheapens Tali's romance thoroughly.

"I don't want anyone else. I want you."

"Oh really? What about Liara?"

That doesn't even get brought up!

Haven't you ever been with someone and thought that s/he was 'the one' only to find out later that you were wrong? That's my reasoning behind Shepard's actions for Ash or Liara.

Okay, let's say that even during ME1 Shepard has some feelings for Tali, that he doesn't (at the time) just see her as a friend or like the little sister he never had; both Liara and Ash are attractive woman who make their feelings very well known. Shepard feels alone, upset, and is probably very sure he's going to die during this mission. At the time Shepard probably did believe that he loved that girl, but as time went on and hormones dropped, maybe questions were rising.

Who's to say that, if Shep had not died during the Normandy attack, he would still be with Ash or Liara? They could have broken up by that point.

Also, if Tali had a crush on you during the first game (as she said) she does a VERY good job hiding it. Believe me, if I had even the slightest hint she saw me as anything more than a friend, I would not have gone for an LI my second time around.

So, is Shep totally innocent? No, but nor is is completely at fault, I feel.

[sergio71785]

VandalX187 wrote...

Its some Bioware person playing her right? it has to that would make me feel a little better

It's basically a fact that it's a Bioware person.

[Azint]

sergio71785 wrote...

"This means something to me, it means a lot. But I don't want... to share you"

And then Meer's voice acting skyrockets far above the norm (and I'm actually a fan of his voice acting!) 

I would not really get into that situation because every game I have done so far, I have it set that I am sticking with one person.

[Phil725]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
*snip*

The statement is pretty exclusive, but its also present tense.  Sure Shep had Ashley/Liara in the past, he probably had plenty of other girls pre ME1.  None of those matter now, because Tali is the only one for him.

That said, I don't think anyone is challenging that the Tali relationship is better with a ME1 LI.  Just that I can't see it having any real negative effects.

True. I prefer not having a romance in ME1 because I like the idea of both Shepard and Tali having feelings for each other and trying to sort them out without the other knowing.

Think of it as a two-sided Oblivious To Love.

I agree, I've explored how a Tali romance arc would work for ME1, and came to the conclusion that it could have worked, but they would have had to put more than 5 minutes of effort into it, so it wouldn't fit in with the others.  You could become closer friends with Tali, eventually starting a romantic relationship.  I don't see her having strong enough feelings, or the time to be ready for sex before Ilos, so maybe a first date/dinner type thing instead.

Then as the relationship starts to grow, the collectors come by for their massive c*ck block party. <_<

Something along those lines could've worked.

[Azint]

Phil725 wrote...

That's my biggest complaint about Jack.  I really like her, but I can't be nice to her without eventually having to let her down.

Letting her down gently is the best you can do in those games. Or you could ignore her.

I just let her off lightly.

[VandalX187]

Phil725 wrote...

VandalX187 wrote...

*snip*
heres hoping for a better loyalty system in ME3 and the choices you make in the previous games sets different squadmates loyalties at the start of the ME3 so romancing Tali would give lots of loyalty to her. something like that maybe

I actually don't see loyalty being a big factor in ME3.  You should already have it going into the game.  That's what ME2 was for

I really can't imagine anything that you could do to increase the loyalty to Tali after romancing her.

I see a situation similar to ME1.  Everyone starts out more or less liking you, and they continue to like you without much interaction.  You can purposely turn them on you, but you have to do it on purpose really.

thats what I meant having romanced her already gives her the highest loyalty possibe but this all speculation but I would like to see it happen

[sergio71785]

[GMR25]

1660 pages? Dang, that was fast.
Well, it's a little late but congratulations on reaching 1,000 pages.

[cannedcream]

Collider wrote...

Night folks. Wonderful conversation we had. Wish they will continue to happen. cya

Keelah se'lai, Coll.

Thanks for keeping me awake with awesome, awesome conversation.

[VandalX187]

Phil725 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
*snip*

The statement is pretty exclusive, but its also present tense.  Sure Shep had Ashley/Liara in the past, he probably had plenty of other girls pre ME1.  None of those matter now, because Tali is the only one for him.

That said, I don't think anyone is challenging that the Tali relationship is better with a ME1 LI.  Just that I can't see it having any real negative effects.

True. I prefer not having a romance in ME1 because I like the idea of both Shepard and Tali having feelings for each other and trying to sort them out without the other knowing.

Think of it as a two-sided Oblivious To Love.

I agree, I've explored how a Tali romance arc would work for ME1, and came to the conclusion that it could have worked, but they would have had to put more than 5 minutes of effort into it, so it wouldn't fit in with the others.  You could become closer friends with Tali, eventually starting a romantic relationship.  I don't see her having strong enough feelings, or the time to be ready for sex before Ilos, so maybe a first date/dinner type thing instead.

Then as the relationship starts to grow, the collectors come by for their massive c*ck block party. <_<

Something along those lines could've worked.

OMG Phil c**k block party thats  so funny

[Azint]

Phil725 wrote...

I agree, I've explored how a Tali romance arc would work for ME1, and came to the conclusion that it could have worked, but they would have had to put more than 5 minutes of effort into it, so it wouldn't fit in with the others.  You could become closer friends with Tali, eventually starting a romantic relationship.  I don't see her having strong enough feelings, or the time to be ready for sex before Ilos, so maybe a first date/dinner type thing instead.

Then as the relationship starts to grow, the collectors come by for their massive c*ck block party. <_<

Something along those lines could've worked.

I still think that things worked out for the best, considering how she bottles up her affection for an entire game. Then comes the romance and she pours out her feelings.

And Collector c*ck block party.

[cannedcream]

sergio71785 wrote...

"This means something to me, it means a lot. But I don't want... to share you"

And then Meer's voice acting skyrockets far above the norm (and I'm actually a fan of his voice acting!) 

It would just be. . .so great if I could watch this.

I assume that it's very, very cute and would make me lose more of my carefully collected 'man cards'.