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[Simon9one]

Jake71887 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

knight5923 wrote...

salvete mi amici:)

what's the news?

Discussing what to call Shepard and Tali's relationship.

One night stand

I had one night stand once.
But I kept knocking it over when I got out of bed.

[Phil725]

sergio71785 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
It's bondmate.

I like the sound of it. Tali and Shepard aren't mates, seeing as they can't have children. They're together because they have a strong bond, a strong history, a strong friendship. The word Bondmate denotes this, which is why it appeals to me.

Yeah, but I don't think it's an appropriate term for the start of a relationship. Both "bond" and "mate" heavily imply a permanent union--basically, a marriage.

It's kinda like, two people confessing they have feelings for each other, and they go straight to referring to the other as husband/wife. 

I'll stick with girlfriend.  I don't need to think about that annoying asari selling maps whenever I think about Tali and Shep's relationship

[Chim3ra]

Calculatrice wrote...

knight5923 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

knight5923 wrote...

salvete mi amici:)

what's the news?

Discussing what to call Shepard and Tali's relationship.

I'm pretty sure they just call each other honey-buggles:?

...... yup ........... that was definitely in the codex .........:innocent:

I thought it was cuddlemuffins.

It is..isn't it?

[iNixiRir]

Sky Shadowing wrote...

Fact of the matter is, Tali is a Love Interest. Therefore, she is guaranteed to play a role in ME3, as it is the conclusion of the trilogy.

Will I still play it if they don't bring her back? Probably. But I'll be pissed the entire way along. But they won't do that. Tali has the largest fanbase and probably the largest argument for a "canon" romance. In addition, the sheer, massive set up for ME3 involving the Geth/Quarians will heavily involve her, even if she's dead (as her absence would be very conspicuous).

Fanbase doesn't matter. They want to give every LI/normal squadmate the conclusion they deserve. So if Tali has a reduced role, every LI has. And everyone will **** about it here.

[Shadowomega23]

Lividity Jones wrote...


I could see something like this happening. But, like someone else said, there would have to be more scenes made to avoid favoritism.

Dam it you got me thinking about another one. But for Jack we find out Miri is her younger sister, but was given over to Cerberus before Miri was taken out of the tube.

[knight5923]

Calculatrice wrote...

knight5923 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

knight5923 wrote...

salvete mi amici:)

what's the news?

Discussing what to call Shepard and Tali's relationship.

I'm pretty sure they just call each other honey-buggles:?

...... yup ........... that was definitely in the codex .........:innocent:

I thought it was cuddlemuffins.

Well, each has to have there own
Tali is cuddlemuffins, Shepard is honey-buggles
jeez, don't you know anything<_< *emphatic sigh*




.......... lol;)

[MrBoomba]

We need a more indepth sight on Quarian Language in order to decide the name shepard/tali should refer to them as

[sergio71785]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
It's bondmate.

I like the sound of it. Tali and Shepard aren't mates, seeing as they can't have children. They're together because they have a strong bond, a strong history, a strong friendship. The word Bondmate denotes this, which is why it appeals to me.

Yeah, but I don't think it's an appropriate term for the start of a relationship. Both "bond" and "mate" heavily imply a permanent union--basically, a marriage.

It's kinda like, two people confessing they have feelings for each other, and they go straight to referring to the other as husband/wife. 

At the start of the relationship I'd agree.

Post Omega 4 though? After Tali takes off her mask, sharing the same air Shepard breathes, performing her peoples most sacred symbol of trust and affection, then proceeding to be intimate with him?

Boyfriend/Girlfriend just doesn't cut it anymore.

Thing is though, the discussion started in regards to a fanfic that's an alternate version of the events of ME2 in regards to Shep/Tali. Basically, the whole girlfriend/boyfriend labeling started before the whole mask removal thing. 

Although, with that said, I do think that boyfriend/girlfriend are still applicable labels post intimate experience.

[Sky Shadowing]

Nivenus wrote...

To me, recruiting a new team for ME3 just doesn't make sense from a narrative point of view. Look at some well-known trilogies: both SW sets, the Matrix, LotR, etc.

Generally, both the first and second installment introduce material to the setting, building it up, adding more plot twists, adding more characters, etc. However, inevitably, you reach a critical mass and when you get to the third installment, you have to wrap it all up. Few trilogies add a large cast of new characters after the second installment because at that point, it gets hard to keep track of and it pushes the climax and resolution further into the distance.

Consider this: in ME1 and ME2, all of the characters gathered a fanbase who wants to see more of them. We know ME3 will be the end of Shepard's story. If their plot threads don't get resolved and new plot threads are brought up by a new cast of characters I think it's fair to say that a lot of fans would feel disappointed - not just because their favorite character wasn't included, but because there would be a feeling of unresolved plot lines lying about.

It's not going to be easy for BioWare and I hardly envy them. But it's what they've gotten themselves into and I think they're well aware of that.

Correct. The third part of the trilogy is always wrapping up loose ends. One of which is Romance.

Every major trilogy has basically had the same characters. It doesn't make sense to create new characters for each game.

To hop off your example, LotR. First book introduced everything. Second book set the stage and introduced a few more characters (Theoden, Eomer, Faramir). Third book didn't really introduce that many plot-critical characters (I think it was only Imrahil that could be determined "plot critical").

If anything, they'll bring back a few from ME2 and introduce a few more for ME3. The only reason they'd have to introduce a bunch more characters would be to appeal to people who haven't played ME2 and/or ME1. And face it, they'll still be lost, and they really deserve to be.

My greatest fear is that they'll go the ME2 route and try to keep Tali "alive" by introducing her to a "backseat" roll like Liara or Ashley. But this isn't ME2. This is the final game, there's no reason to keep her alive. Everything needs to be resolved, and Tali is a pretty big Plot Thread.

[Goat_Shepard]

Phil725 wrote...

I'll stick with girlfriend.  I don't need to think about that annoying asari selling maps whenever I think about Tali and Shep's relationship

I'm gunna say it.

LOVERS! :O:O

[chool77]

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
*snip*
You assume a role like wrex is cheap?  They still need to bring back Liz Sroka, they still need to develop a story that makes some sense as to why she isn't on the Normandy (seriously, try this one, I can't think of any possible reason.)  Than you need to develop a new character to replace her on the team.  That's a ton more work/money than bringing back Tali, and removing her in games that had her died.

She left the Neema, not the Rayya, largely because of Shepard.  She trusts him completely.  Add in that she can be in a relationship with him, and possibly exiled from the flotilla.  There's no way she leaves the Normandy.

You have more than enough squad mates in ME3.  Just removing the content of dead characters is easy enough.

Your underrating the fan response as well.  ME3 needs to bring back all of the characters as squad mates again, otherwise ME3 will lack the same amount of character development.  It will wreck any chance that ME3 has of surpassing 2.

wrex's role is way cheaper then talis role in ME2!!

in ME2.. she left her ship to go be with shepard, showing... that there may be a bond with the ship name .. but its not going to stop her from going some where else... like back to the flottila!!

what does she bring to the table... tech skills... got legion.. got kasumi.... and for the most part, tech was not really needed in ME2

people are expecting ME3 to be in a sense two games in one... not going to happen .. bioware will take short cuts and hand out NPC roles to characters

if it was not for the fanbase she would have most likely been a NPC in ME2

Is Wrex's role really cheaper when you factor in making an entire new krogan team mate, and then still have to work on Reave's character on top of that?  It would have been cheaper to just have Wrex in Grunt's place, Reave in Wrex's, and a dead/alive flag on Wrex.

Character practicality means nothing for who's coming back.  We wouldn't have 20 squad members if that was the case.  Everyone is superfluous because 3 people can do every job.  Tali is no different.

The shortcut will be that the characters themselves don't affect the plot.  You don't need Tali to reclaim the homeworld, or Grunt to unite the krogan, but they'll still be on your team. 

How do you explain her going back to the flotilla in a file where she was exiled and romanced by Shepard?  It would be a worse disaster than Liara's character assassination.

And I know we like to feel important as a fan base, but we didn't have anything to do with her being in ME2.  Bioware had her character arc planned out before hand, and probably still does.

so then what are they going to do for the few people that had her die?... you cant possible think that they would write up anouther character  to take her place...( assumed respone= those people will just be with out tali)...
bioware is all about "plan for the worst and hope for the best".. just like with wrex.. how he made grunts mission easier by being alive..

"The shortcut will be that the characters themselves don't affect the
plot.  You don't need Tali to reclaim the homeworld, or Grunt to unite
the krogan"   .... they are not needed is my point. you can do the job just the same with out them

but the fact is that they even did  "Liara's character assassination."    you only need to change one word in there to make it relevant to tali?...

she could go back to try and make up to her people.. she can go back to be on the admiral bored...
liara romanced shepard in ME1.. did not stop her from going

i agree that bioware has things planed out... but its hard to see it as any thing other then a NPC

[THEE_DEATHMASTER]

I hope ME3 is epic as hell, especially with romance. There's lots of potential for win and fail.

[RiptideX1090]

sergio71785 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
It's bondmate.

I like the sound of it. Tali and Shepard aren't mates, seeing as they can't have children. They're together because they have a strong bond, a strong history, a strong friendship. The word Bondmate denotes this, which is why it appeals to me.

Yeah, but I don't think it's an appropriate term for the start of a relationship. Both "bond" and "mate" heavily imply a permanent union--basically, a marriage.

It's kinda like, two people confessing they have feelings for each other, and they go straight to referring to the other as husband/wife. 

At the start of the relationship I'd agree.

Post Omega 4 though? After Tali takes off her mask, sharing the same air Shepard breathes, performing her peoples most sacred symbol of trust and affection, then proceeding to be intimate with him?

Boyfriend/Girlfriend just doesn't cut it anymore.

Thing is though, the discussion started in regards to a fanfic that's an alternate version of the events of ME2 in regards to Shep/Tali. Basically, the whole girlfriend/boyfriend labeling started before the whole mask removal thing. 

Although, with that said, I do think that boyfriend/girlfriend are still applicable labels post intimate experience.

You still thing those terms are applicable, after one of the people basically plays Russian Roulette to be with the other, risking disease, and a very slow, very agonizing death, just to show how much they care for the other person?

You certainly have high standards, I give you that.

To each their own I guess. It'll be interesting to see what direction the relationship takes in 3 at any rate. We'll see then.

[sergio71785]

ME3 will have a (potential, and easily attainable) happy ending because Star Wars Ep4-6 would've sucked if they ended with Luke dying, Leia+Han breaking up, etc.

[Simon9one]

Sky Shadowing wrote...
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This is the final game, there's no reason to keep her alive. Everything needs to be resolved, and Tali is a pretty big Plot Thread.

Uhhhh...she's Tali.

Reason enough?

[knight5923]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

I'll stick with girlfriend.  I don't need to think about that annoying asari selling maps whenever I think about Tali and Shep's relationship

I'm gunna say it.

LOVERS! :O:O

aaaaaand ..........

d'awwwwwwwwwwwwwww:wub:

[MrBoomba]

Mukora wrote...

MrBoomba wrote...

We need a more indepth sight on Quarian Language in order to decide the name shepard/tali should refer to them as

Talishep.
Oh wait, you didn't mean what other people called them, did you?

Yes and to what a ff could have shepard refer to their relationship as. Like ive said. They make up the word "Bosh'tet" the chance they hadnt made any others Quarians would use often seems slim.

[Sleepicub09]

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[knight5923]

Simon9one wrote...

Sky Shadowing wrote...
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This is the final game, there's no reason to keep her alive. Everything needs to be resolved, and Tali is a pretty big Plot Thread.

Uhhhh...she's Tali.

Reason enough?

Ya, I'm hoping this is just poor wording:unsure: You not implying that the only way to resolve the plot is for Tali to die, right?

[sergio71785]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

You still thing those terms are applicable, after one of the people basically plays Russian Roulette to be with the other, risking disease, and a very slow, very agonizing death, just to show how much they care for the other person?

You certainly have high standards, I give you that.

To each their own I guess. It'll be interesting to see what direction the relationship takes in 3 at any rate. We'll see then.

There's two extra factors. They were on their way to a mission that they both knew had a high chance of death.

Also, I do believe Tali felt reasonably confident she'd survive. She of course knows there's a risk of death, but her wording made it seem like she knew she had good chances of being alright. She knows her immune system better than anyone. 

[Goat_Shepard]

knight5923 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

I'll stick with girlfriend.  I don't need to think about that annoying asari selling maps whenever I think about Tali and Shep's relationship

I'm gunna say it.

LOVERS! :O:O

aaaaaand ..........

d'awwwwwwwwwwwwwww:wub:

I thought of it at first and said meh...then everyone started throwing "bondmate lifemate trustmate" and every kind of mate there is and then I thought:

Joker: "So Shepard, you and Tali are uh...what are you guys now anyway?"
Shepard's about to answer then thinks about it.
Tali: "We're lovers, Joker" then holds Shepard's arm as he looks at her with his boyish grin