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[Lividity Jones]

sergio71785 wrote...

TIM: Shepard I've been meaning to---why are you naked?

Shepard: Uh... well.... Alright, look man, don't question my methods. All that matters is that I get the job done. Maybe walking around naked helps me formulate strategies better. Ever thought of that? Maybe not wearing any clothes helps me relieve stress. The important thing is that I get the job done; don't worry how I do it. 

TIM: Well, I suppose I shouldn't doubt your---

*Tali suddenly sneezes* 

TIM: What was that?

*Shepard face-palms*

TIM: Hm... I see.  I'll call you back in ten minutes. 

Well played, Sergio.

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

For the record, Nivenus, I think Tali's character has flaws and I love that. It adds, well, character, to her. It's harder for me to say what I don't like about her, because there's really nothing in particular. I consider the most important measure of a person to be their morality - if they are a good person, that's what matters most. Tali is the most paragon member of the squad, unless you count Legion who is more neutral in my opinion. Tali being "paragon" is really great considering you're working with a shady organization. Miranda is way too linked to Cerberus for my liking romance wise (and I can't forget how she dealed with Nikhet and her "you were a mistake" line to Jack), and Jack feels too violent and immature, the former of which has to do with morality. So Tali really shines in that aspect, but she's also intelligent.

Okay, fair enough. "Don't like" may have been too strong a phrase and I myself will say I tend to be a very forgiving person, so I wouldn't say that Tali's flaws are necessarily a detriment that make me like the character less. If anything, I'm glad she has these qualities and opinions, as they round her out as a person, even if I might disagree with them.

[Goat_Shepard]

chool77 wrote...

Strawberry Kiwi wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

You mean you haven't yet looked at my sig?

I'm shocked. I really am.

TBH, I'm gonna have to go with chool on this one.
Jennifer Hale is unbearibly monotonous as Shepard. Moreso than Meer, IMO.

bro fist!

Opinions. I think Meer did the Talimance better than any of the other voice acted romances. But that's just my opinion, I'm not gunna come out of nowhere say "Hale sounds like a raging hormonal rapist" cuz that'd be rude.

[chool77]

sergio71785 wrote...

TIM: Shepard I've been meaning to---why are you naked?

Shepard: Uh... well.... Alright, look man, don't question my methods. All that matters is that I get the job done. Maybe walking around naked helps me formulate strategies better. Ever thought of that? Maybe not wearing any clothes helps me relieve stress. The important thing is that I get the job done; don't worry how I do it. 

TIM: Well, I suppose I shouldn't doubt your---

*Tali suddenly sneezes* 

TIM: What was that?

*Shepard face-palms*

TIM: Hm... I see.  I'll call you back in ten minutes. 

shepard: ten minutes ?!?... do you know who i am? do you know what i have done!...

tim:.. um i just ment--

shepard: no... just no..ill call you

[Deadeas]

I prefer Hale's performance because I associate her voice with Samus and Aayla Secura, two of my favorite fictional characters.That, and the fact I just don't like Meer's voice-acting.

[chool77]

it died in here?

[Deadeas]

chool77 wrote...

it died in here?

It appears that it has.

[Collider]

Nivenus wrote...
Oh, I didn't mean to imply that the quarians, a race were evil. But I do feel that, insofar as either can be considered to have the moral high ground (and as you say, the geth are hardly innocent), the geth would have it. But I also feel that what the geth did to the quarians was a crime, so I'm not trying to say that I feel as though the quarians should have been driven into exile or to near extinction. I'm simply saying that I don't accept Tali's (or quarians at large's) rationalization.

I feel they're justified. If all you've known from the Geth are that they are bloodthirsty, what else are you to think? The Quarians have no idea that there are Geth who are peaceful. Tali is the only one likely if she was alive and you recruited Legion and helped him out. This is essentially condemning an entire race as violent, but that's all they've seen - and due to the Geth being machines with little to no individuality, it's hard for them to even consider that some of them may be peaceful. Likely what happened is that the Geth evolved to contemplate existence, and then their survival programming kicked in when the Quarians attempted to shut them down. I don't think the Geth have the moral ground because the fact that they killed billions seemes to imply that they also attacked innocents. The Geth are controlled by clusters, such as the one seen in Legion's loyalty mission. That would imply that at most only a pocket of the Quarian population actually had control over the Geth like that - so basically the Quarians are suffering for the actions of their government. As we know, our governments in human history have done atrocious things, but the people under them do not deserve the consequences for their government a lot of the time.

Collider wrote...
Point. I'd kind of forgotten about that and assumed it was from the ship's files, rather than Tali's personal files, but I believe that you actually are right. Even so, while I can't condone his hacking through her files and I may have still sided with Tali to prevent a war that would likely resulted in the deaths of many quarians, my sympathies were largely with Legion and the geth at that moment.

I found my sympathy with Tali. All her life she's only ever known the Geth as bloodthirsty monsters. Imagine the idea of one trying to get the location of the Flotilla from her personal files. Tali is dedicated to her people in addition to the Flotilla, imagine the amount of guilt she would have, especially after being accused of treason, if Legion hacking into her omnitool caused the Geth to attack and destroy the Flotilla. That guilt would be monumental.

[Lividity Jones]

Deadeas wrote...

chool77 wrote...

it died in here?

It appears that it has.

Unnaceptable!

New topic?

[chool77]

Deadeas wrote...

chool77 wrote...

it died in here?

It appears that it has.

it was my horrible add on to the mini fanfic...

[Deadeas]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Deadeas wrote...

chool77 wrote...

it died in here?

It appears that it has.

Unnaceptable!

New topic?

Hmm...

Tali vs Iron Man

Discuss.

[Lividity Jones]

Deadeas wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Deadeas wrote...

chool77 wrote...

it died in here?

It appears that it has.

Unnaceptable!

New topic?

Hmm...

Tali vs Iron Man

Discuss.

Tali.

Next?

[chool77]

Collider wrote...

Nivenus wrote...
Oh, I didn't mean to imply that the quarians, a race were evil. But I do feel that, insofar as either can be considered to have the moral high ground (and as you say, the geth are hardly innocent), the geth would have it. But I also feel that what the geth did to the quarians was a crime, so I'm not trying to say that I feel as though the quarians should have been driven into exile or to near extinction. I'm simply saying that I don't accept Tali's (or quarians at large's) rationalization.

I feel they're justified. If all you've known from the Geth are that they are bloodthirsty, what else are you to think? The Quarians have no idea that there are Geth who are peaceful. Tali is the only one likely if she was alive and you recruited Legion and helped him out. This is essentially condemning an entire race as violent, but that's all they've seen - and due to the Geth being machines with little to no individuality, it's hard for them to even consider that some of them may be peaceful. Likely what happened is that the Geth evolved to contemplate existence, and then their survival programming kicked in when the Quarians attempted to shut them down. I don't think the Geth have the moral ground because the fact that they killed billions seemes to imply that they also attacked innocents. The Geth are controlled by clusters, such as the one seen in Legion's loyalty mission. That would imply that at most only a pocket of the Quarian population actually had control over the Geth like that - so basically the Quarians are suffering for the actions of their government. As we know, our governments in human history have done atrocious things, but the people under them do not deserve the consequences for their government a lot of the time.

Collider wrote...
Point. I'd kind of forgotten about that and assumed it was from the ship's files, rather than Tali's personal files, but I believe that you actually are right. Even so, while I can't condone his hacking through her files and I may have still sided with Tali to prevent a war that would likely resulted in the deaths of many quarians, my sympathies were largely with Legion and the geth at that moment.

I found my sympathy with Tali. All her life she's only ever known the Geth as bloodthirsty monsters. Imagine the idea of one trying to get the location of the Flotilla from her personal files. Tali is dedicated to her people in addition to the Flotilla, imagine the amount of guilt she would have, especially after being accused of treason, if Legion hacking into her omnitool caused the Geth to attack and destroy the Flotilla. That guilt would be monumental.

[sergio71785]

I posted this earlier, but apparently we ain't got no Kokomo fans in here! 

In Valhallan Threshold
There's a place called Migrant Fleet
That's where you want to go to get away from it all

Bodies insides suits
Nutrient paste melting in your hand
We'll be falling in love
To the rhythm of an air filter
Down in Migrant Fleet

[sergio71785]

Deadeas wrote...
Tali vs Iron Man

Discuss.

Tali would use AI hacking on his suit. Bam. 

[Collider]

sergio71785 wrote...

Deadeas wrote...
Tali vs Iron Man

Discuss.

Tali would use AI hacking on his suit. Bam. 

Win.

[chool77]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Deadeas wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Deadeas wrote...

chool77 wrote...

it died in here?

It appears that it has.

Unnaceptable!

New topic?

Hmm...

Tali vs Iron Man

Discuss.

Tali.

Next?

tali .... travels back in time 5 min... vs tali..

[chool77]

i think no one could handle my question! lol

[Goodwood]

chool77 wrote...

i think no one could handle my question! lol

Try dividing by zero; you'll have your answer then.

[chool77]

Goodwood wrote...

chool77 wrote...

i think no one could handle my question! lol

Try dividing by zero; you'll have your answer then.

did not turn out so well

[Goat_Shepard]

Collider wrote...

Nivenus wrote...
Oh, I didn't mean to imply that the quarians, a race were evil. But I do feel that, insofar as either can be considered to have the moral high ground (and as you say, the geth are hardly innocent), the geth would have it. But I also feel that what the geth did to the quarians was a crime, so I'm not trying to say that I feel as though the quarians should have been driven into exile or to near extinction. I'm simply saying that I don't accept Tali's (or quarians at large's) rationalization.

I feel they're justified. If all you've known from the Geth are that they are bloodthirsty, what else are you to think? The Quarians have no idea that there are Geth who are peaceful. Tali is the only one likely if she was alive and you recruited Legion and helped him out. This is essentially condemning an entire race as violent, but that's all they've seen - and due to the Geth being machines with little to no individuality, it's hard for them to even consider that some of them may be peaceful. Likely what happened is that the Geth evolved to contemplate existence, and then their survival programming kicked in when the Quarians attempted to shut them down. I don't think the Geth have the moral ground because the fact that they killed billions seemes to imply that they also attacked innocents. The Geth are controlled by clusters, such as the one seen in Legion's loyalty mission. That would imply that at most only a pocket of the Quarian population actually had control over the Geth like that - so basically the Quarians are suffering for the actions of their government. As we know, our governments in human history have done atrocious things, but the people under them do not deserve the consequences for their government a lot of the time.

Collider wrote...
Point. I'd kind of forgotten about that and assumed it was from the ship's files, rather than Tali's personal files, but I believe that you actually are right. Even so, while I can't condone his hacking through her files and I may have still sided with Tali to prevent a war that would likely resulted in the deaths of many quarians, my sympathies were largely with Legion and the geth at that moment.

I found my sympathy with Tali. All her life she's only ever known the Geth as bloodthirsty monsters. Imagine the idea of one trying to get the location of the Flotilla from her personal files. Tali is dedicated to her people in addition to the Flotilla, imagine the amount of guilt she would have, especially after being accused of treason, if Legion hacking into her omnitool caused the Geth to attack and destroy the Flotilla. That guilt would be monumental.

Seriously, good points. And Tali even gives Legion some non-classified information. Tali and Legion Idk how big they're going to be in ME3, but I feel they should, or at least if nothing happens as far as "mutual understanding", that at least behind the scenes they learned to cooperate with each other. Bringing Legion to the Flotilla was one of the more inspiring moments of my ME2 experience, and it's so easy to miss for a console user.

A flashback to the Morning Wars would be nice. That geth audio (do we have a soul) makes me No Goat...you promised you wouldn't cry. Shepard needs to talk to Tali about his conversations with Legion.

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

I feel they're justified. If all you've known from the Geth are that they are bloodthirsty, what else are you to think? The Quarians have no idea that there are Geth who are peaceful. Tali is the only one likely if she was alive and you recruited Legion and helped him out. This is essentially condemning an entire race as violent, but that's all they've seen - and due to the Geth being machines with little to no individuality, it's hard for them to even consider that some of them may be peaceful. Likely what happened is that the Geth evolved to contemplate existence, and then their survival programming kicked in when the Quarians attempted to shut them down. I don't think the Geth have the moral ground because the fact that they killed billions seemes to imply that they also attacked innocents. The Geth are controlled by clusters, such as the one seen in Legion's loyalty mission. That would imply that at most only a pocket of the Quarian population actually had control over the Geth like that - so basically the Quarians are suffering for the actions of their government. As we know, our governments in human history have done atrocious things, but the people under them do not deserve the consequences for their government a lot of the time.

That seems reaching to me. Nothing I've seen in ME1 and ME2, other than the fact that the geth were only encountered as enemies in ME1, supports the idea that the geth were "bloodthirsty." Even Tali's own statements seem more along the lines of "they'd kill us because they're synthetics and synthetics are always opposed to organics" and not "they'd kill us because we programmed them to be war machines." And both Tali and Legion seem to indicate that what drove the quarians to their decision was merely the possibility that the geth were sapient. Sure, they were worried about the impending slave revolt and its implications, but it's telling that what set the quarians off was the geth wondering if they had souls, not the geth expressing anger or killing a quarian accidentally.

And that's not supposition, that's exactly what both Tali and Legion say, that the impetus for the attempted deactivation of the geth was the geth's proceeding towards "I think therefore I am."

Again, I'm not condoning what happened to the quarians.

Collider wrote...

I found my sympathy with Tali. All her life she's only ever known the Geth as bloodthirsty monsters. Imagine the idea of one trying to get the location of the Flotilla from her personal files. Tali is dedicated to her people in addition to the Flotilla, imagine the amount of guilt she would have, especially after being accused of treason, if Legion hacking into her omnitool caused the Geth to attack and destroy the Flotilla. That guilt would be monumental.

I'm not saying I didn't sympathize with Tali. I'm just saying I sympathized more with the geth who were tortured and brutally experimented on by Rael. There's was the greatest wound, the greatest loss.

Again, glad I could Paragon my way out of that by getting both to see reason.

Modifié par Nivenus, 18 avril 2010 - 07:19 .

[Levi va Normandy]

im back

[chool77]

Levi va Normandy wrote...

im back

and no one is here!


*echoes*   here....here....here

[Nivenus]

I'd hardly say no one's here. Besides, when it gets quiet is usually when the best things are said.