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It was religious AND genocidal. The Reapers quite literally wanted to exterminate all organic sapient races. Literally. The fact it was religious has nothing to do with it. For Tali this was another coat of paint to the violent nature of the Geth. The Geth's fanaticism to Sovereign/Reapers was really even more proof of their violence. It was also more evidence to the impression that the Geth were universal and had no factions.Nivenus wrote...
Collider wrote...
The fact that the Geth were working with Sovereign does not imply bloodthirstiness?
It would, if their motivation did not appear to be religious, rather than genocidal (as Tali herself notices on Ferros), in nature. It doesn't justify their actions, but it, along with their 300 year absence from organic space, does imply that they weren't bloodthirsty by nature.
Collider wrote...
In addition to basically being taught that the Geth are aggressors, the only geth she encountered in ME1 were entirely hostile. It was not the Geth, but it was the only Geth that you encountered. They all quite literally wanted to kill you. When I say bloodthirsty I don't literally mean thiristing for blood, but rather having a tendency for being violent with organics. You also need to put into context that the Morning War. Billions of Quarians died. If that does not imply a bloodbath, I don't know what does. And that was 300 years ago. No one knows about the peaceful Geth whatsoever. All they've known since the Morning War was violence from them. The Quarians were even driven from their colonies.
No, you misunderstand. I was not saying that to justify the Quarians for shutting them down initially, obviously they don't know the future. What you were responding to is why I think the Quarians and Tali thought the Geth were now violent. With the Morning War onward, violence from the Geth was all the Quarians knew. Billions dead. You don't see how resentment towards the Geth, who were only violent aftewards, may arise? If you see women and children killed by the seemingly impersonal Geth, I can understand why hatred towards the Geth would be ingrained in Quarian society.But that was after the fact. That was after the quarians tried to deactivate the geth. You can't rationalize moral decisions based on unforseen consequences later.You can only justify them upon the then and the now, as well as any previous precedents, because that's what matters when you make your choice.
When the Geth rebelled, they confirmed the Quarian's suspicions, which in turn compelled the Quarians to try to shut them down further.
Wasn't genocide, as I will explain further down in this post. Was shutting them down. The Geth did not have a history of violence because they were not sapient before.At the time of the Morning War, the geth, insofar as I can tell, had no history of violence. Therefore, an act of genocide against them was unjustified.
That's really not comparable at all. Humans and Quarians weren't "malfunctioning." They were never programmed. And quite literally, not all creatures that evolve ask philosophical questions, nor are they in that direction. Evolution isn't linear, all of the organisms on earth are not progressively evolving to be more and more human. Organisms evolve to suit their environment. If they don't need to be more intelligent, they won't necessarily develop more intelligence. Faster swimming will benefit fish more, for example.And when the first human or quarian asked the question, they too were malfunctioning. As do all creatures that evolve.
Kill off is not the right term as mentioned below. The Geth could have handled the situation more ethically as well.I see your point; the quarians were creations of the geth and seen as property, so deactivating them seemed to be within their rights. But I cannot condone their actions, even if I understand tem, by any means, because every sapient has the right to life. To me, the clincher is that the quarians did not try to kill off the geth in spite of their potential sapience, but because they feared that they might be. The situation could have been handled more ethically, but the quarians opted for the most efficient solution.
Genocide? It was only until those first Geth started talking that they ceased to be robotic servants. I don't think we can truly call it genocide. Shutting down the Geth is not genocide, it is shutting them down. As you know, you can reboot something that is shut down. Likely due to their survival programming, they likely saw shutting down as something to fight against.A good point, and certainly one the quarian government would have to take into consideration. However, it's clear that the geth were not intended to become sapient. It was an accident and it is likely that any serious investigation by the Council (although, this is the Council we're talking about) would have discovered this. The quarians may have faced sanctions, yes (although a rational Council would have either foregoed them or reduced them given the circumstances) but even so, economic hardship is preferable to genocide.
Secondly, the reason why the Council kicked the Quarians out in the first place was because the Geth developed AI. It wasn't even really an accident in the traditional sense that the Geth developed sapience. They evolved on their own because of changes to their programming that the Quarians thought were innocuous. The Council pretty clearly wasn't going to care whether or not it was an accident, otherwise they would likely have not kicked the Quarian legal represenatives out. The fact that the Quarians were banished from the Council and Citadel is essentially an indication that the Council was irrational. It's very possible that the Quarians knew this.
Forming peace is logical for the survival of the Geth. The Geth basically debate with each other on what is logical based upon algorithms. This doesn't seem to suggest emotion to me.I don't think the geth have emotions the same way quarians or humans do, no, but they do appear to be capable of emotions on some wavelength. Legion's response to Shepard's inquiry about his armor seems to indicate as much, as does the geth's interest in forming a peace with the "Creators." Likewise, the geth clearly have a form of religion (even the non-heretics, since the name "heretic" itself indicates religious orthodoxy), which also suggests emotion.
I do think they are less worth of considering. We KNOW organic sapient races have emotion, we know they can feel pain, anguish, sorrow, and happiness. At most with the Geth, you can...speculate that they do.Yes, Legion says the geth do not have fear. I interpret this, however, to mean that geth emotions are simply alien, rather than nonexistent, and in my view they are no less worth consideration.
Modifié par Collider, 18 avril 2010 - 08:03 .
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