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[Kikaimegami]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Azint wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Yet we have people like Xen, Han and Rhaal..........................

Xen is a psycho, Han just wants to take back the homeworld, and Rael was wrong with his work. The quarians are pretty split with that they want to do, each admiral represents a different view the quarians have.

Still Legion himself says that if the Quarians want to make peace, then the Geth will to, they don't want to make peace, only Korris does and thats why i don't feel sorry for them. If I was a Quarian I would have contacted the Geth and tried to do a meeting for peace, not plan for war, want to make new AI. Korris has the best point yet the Quarians want to go to war. If I can't force peace then I am helping the Geth, as much as I like Tali, I will help the Geth.

This. The geth NOW only fight back because the quarians fight them. If they came peacefully, the geth would be peaceful.

[Phil725]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
There is a perfect balance of paragade that you can play to get the charm option for Tali/Legion and still be mostly renegade.  I was actually able to pull that off on my last playthrough

Its tough though.  Legion does seem to genuinely believe you when you say you lied at least.  But yeah, definitely the worst part about being a renegade.

I have maximum paragon and renegade becuase I use the Noveria glitch. I heard that you may get penalized for having so much Paragon AND so much Renegade (in ME2 not ME1). Or maybe that's what they weere saying about ME3? I heard they were changing something about Paragon/Renegade in ME3. Need to find article.

Either way, I'm one of those people who's playthrough is ruined if I fail that confrontation. Even if the unloyal squaddie doesn't die, it would still be ruined lol

I was under the impression that the paragon/renegade thing was just that some confrontations in ME2 were impossible to complete one way if you have too much of the other.  I think you'll be fine with Tali/Legion though.  That conversation is easier to solve with charm.  In that one, you can't use the intimidate option if you have a lot of paragon points.  At least that's my experience.

The Miranda/Jack one is the opposite.  You can't charm them down if you have too much renegade.  And its easier to solve with intimidate.

[SirEmilCrane]

About the quarians and the geht, think about it this way.

What if it was earth and we were all afrift without a homeworld? We'd damn sure want earth back wouldn't we?

[El-Destructo]

runescapeguy9 wrote...

Oh good something I can contribute to without hurting anyone.
AntiLegion

*ZAP*

[SPARTANMST]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
Not sure who Rhaal is.  If you mean Raan, she doesn't want war.

Your point is taken, but there will always be bad apples.  You cannot blame an entire race for the misguided or insane actions of a single member.

Rhaal'Zorah (wrong spelling for Talis father I think) any case those three admiranals want to do what there ancestors did again. Rhaan does not giver her opionion. Hell my second fav Quarian is Korris because he is the smart one out of the bunch.

Oh, Rael.  He's already paid for his crimes.  But that doesn't address what I said about judging an entire race by the actions of a few members.

Walk around the Flotila, alot of Qurians want war, and it's sad that only korris wants peace.

The conversations seem about evenly split to me.  Some do, some don't.  And I don't think they want "war."  They want their home back..

yeah and I dunno about you guys but I want the chance in ME3 to be able to give it to em

[NuclearBuddha]

SPARTANMST wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
Not sure who Rhaal is.  If you mean Raan, she doesn't want war.

Your point is taken, but there will always be bad apples.  You cannot blame an entire race for the misguided or insane actions of a single member.

Rhaal'Zorah (wrong spelling for Talis father I think) any case those three admiranals want to do what there ancestors did again. Rhaan does not giver her opionion. Hell my second fav Quarian is Korris because he is the smart one out of the bunch.

Oh, Rael.  He's already paid for his crimes.  But that doesn't address what I said about judging an entire race by the actions of a few members.

Exactly, sorry if this example is a bit extreme:

Hitler was one cruel, sadistic bar****d but that doesn't mean that all humans are like this.

you can't hold a grudge on a race of people just because of the actions of a few wrongdoers

And Godwin'd.  Discussion over, I guess.

[Goat_Shepard]

runescapeguy9 wrote...

DrathanGervaise wrote...

runescapeguy9 wrote...

Oh good something I can contribute to without hurting anyone.
AntiLegion

Oh comeon

Well if Legion was so important, why can you turn him into Cerberus AND choose not to activate him AND he can die in the end mission. That's a lot of opportunity to not have him in ME3.

That being said, why advertise your hatred for the geth? He can be an ally.

[Lividity Jones]

sergio71785 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...


Yet we have people like Xen, Han and Rhaal..........................

Something worth mentioning, the only reason Han wants to fight the Geth (and I believe this holds true for nearly all Quarians in favor of war) is because they feel it's the only way to get their homeworld back.

Afterall, the geth have done nothing--in 300 years--to communicate to the quarians (or anyone else), that they'd be open to any kind of peace. In fact, they do the opposite by destroying anyone (even the peaceful ambassodors sent by the Council), who enters their space.

Xen is the only one who really has the potential to ef things up. She cares more about reclaiming the geth as slaves than getting their homeworld back.

This. Xen is the only one who can screw this up, now that Shepard is on the case.

[Someone With Mass]

I don't like politics. Quaraian politics? That's out of my league. I'll stick with the funny Tali gifs.

[Simon9one]

SirEmilCrane wrote...

About the quarians and the geht, think about it this way.
What if it was earth and we were all afrift without a homeworld? We'd damn sure want earth back wouldn't we?

The quarians are so much like us...that kind of comparison is what makes things easier to understand.

[Lividity Jones]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

SU37 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Robots are always bad.

Uh-uh. Liberty Prime.

Lividity Jones is obviously a Communist.

We can not let this stand, DEMOCRACY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE.

HISSS!

NO COMMUNIST!

WE LEAVE!

[Azint]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Walk around the Flotila, alot of Qurians want war, and it's sad that only korris wants peace.

Some of the chatter indicate that the quarians are pretty uneasy about a war, it really is pretty split between war or not. If you teel them that war is the right thing, only some would actually support it, telling them not to gets the inverse result. The quarians really have not agreed on anything as a whole other than taking back the homeworld.

[NuclearBuddha]

Kikaimegami wrote...
This. The geth NOW only fight back because the quarians fight them. If they came peacefully, the geth would be peaceful.

If the geth want peace, they need to speak up.

They're hiding behind the whole "they've attacked up 100% of the time, so they will always do so" fallacy right now.  For something different to happen, you have to be open to something different!

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 18 avril 2010 - 09:12 .

[kraidy1117]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Still Legion himself says that if the Quarians want to make peace, then the Geth will to, they don't want to make peace, only Korris does and thats why i don't feel sorry for them. If I was a Quarian I would have contacted the Geth and tried to do a meeting for peace, not plan for war, want to make new AI. Korris has the best point yet the Quarians want to go to war. If I can't force peace then I am helping the Geth, as much as I like Tali, I will help the Geth.

You're not going to find a lot of support for this view here, probably.

I know I am not, I like Tali but that does not mean I think she can be a moron now and then. Perfect example is the whole Legion and Tali argument. If the Quarians where doing that testing on humans, I would sure as hell tell the Alliance, Legion had all the right to do it, but instead of talking with Legion, she decides to point a gun at him.

Tali and the Quarians need to relise that both parties where wronged and peace needs to happen, not war. War will just make it worse.

[Kikaimegami]

SirEmilCrane wrote...

About the quarians and the geht, think about it this way.
What if it was earth and we were all afrift without a homeworld? We'd damn sure want earth back wouldn't we?

More war isn't the answer when a peaceful resolution can be made.

[SPARTANMST]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I don't like politics. Quaraian politics? That's out of my league. I'll stick with the funny Tali gifs.

yeah good plan:D I can't stand politics

[SirEmilCrane]

Simon9one wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

About the quarians and the geht, think about it this way.
What if it was earth and we were all afrift without a homeworld? We'd damn sure want earth back wouldn't we?

The quarians are so much like us...that kind of comparison is what makes things easier to understand.

Yeah, people need to think about this like a normal person, no meta gaming involved. A homeworld is really important to a species, its natural ot assume they want it back

[Someone With Mass]

I'll wait until ME3 comes out. Then I can take side. A peaceful side.

[Goat_Shepard]

Phil725 wrote...
I was under the impression that the paragon/renegade thing was just that some confrontations in ME2 were impossible to complete one way if you have too much of the other.  I think you'll be fine with Tali/Legion though.  That conversation is easier to solve with charm.  In that one, you can't use the intimidate option if you have a lot of paragon points.  At least that's my experience.

The Miranda/Jack one is the opposite.  You can't charm them down if you have too much renegade.  And its easier to solve with intimidate.

You need like MAX paragon to hit the blue option with Legion/Tali confrontation. I had it like just below the line before max and didn't get the option. I was pissed!

You know what, if I hit the renegade option in that confrontation, Tali and Legion are loyal, and they don't treat me any worse in ME3 than if I had been a nice guy (you know, NOT threatening Tali's life). Still can't do it

[SPARTANMST]

kraidy1117 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Still Legion himself says that if the Quarians want to make peace, then the Geth will to, they don't want to make peace, only Korris does and thats why i don't feel sorry for them. If I was a Quarian I would have contacted the Geth and tried to do a meeting for peace, not plan for war, want to make new AI. Korris has the best point yet the Quarians want to go to war. If I can't force peace then I am helping the Geth, as much as I like Tali, I will help the Geth.

You're not going to find a lot of support for this view here, probably.

I know I am not, I like Tali but that does not mean I think she can be a moron now and then. Perfect example is the whole Legion and Tali argument. If the Quarians where doing that testing on humans, I would sure as hell tell the Alliance, Legion had all the right to do it, but instead of talking with Legion, she decides to point a gun at him.

Tali and the Quarians need to relise that both parties where wronged and peace needs to happen, not war. War will just make it worse.

yeah but remember she's young, scared and is having a whole load of emotions flow through her about the mission, the geth and of course Shepard, she has had it driven into her that the Geth are bad, I mean I'd be pretty pissed if someone was putting my home in danger

[sergio71785]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Walk around the Flotila, alot of Qurians want war, and it's sad that only korris wants peace.

No, they want their homeworld back, and feel that the only way to get it back is to fight the geth.

The geth have never communicated their supposed willingness for peace to anyone. The only  reason we  know that the geth are open to peace, is because of Legion and his talks with Shepard.

The rest of the galaxy assumes that the geth are hostile, and the geth have no one to blame that on but themselves. They never even bothered to say "Btw, those guys who attacked the Citadel, that was actually a different faction of geth--we had nothing to do with that"