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[Bloodhuman1]

Lividity Jones wrote...

SU37 wrote...

Sometimes I wish I could force the Council to help the quarians...

"Ah yes 'quarians', the species that unwittingly created the geth, we have di-"

"If you finish that sentence, I will rip off your mandibles."

Now, that's gotta hurt to a Turian.

[NuclearBuddha]

SPARTANMST wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
Look at it from her perspective, please.  If Legion transmits the data to the geth, and the geth attack the Flotilla in response, how many of her people die?  And not just loony or warlike admirals.  Quarians who don't want war will die.  Children who haven't even left their bubbles yet will die.  What sane person wouldn't try to stop that?

exactly

Thanks.  The lack of human empathy on this stuff around here sometimes confuses me...

[kraidy1117]

SirEmilCrane wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

About the quarians and the geht, think about it this way.
What if it was earth and we were all afrift without a homeworld? We'd damn sure want earth back wouldn't we?

More war isn't the answer when a peaceful resolution can be made.

Yes but the geth have made no indication that a peaceful solution can be reached. They kill everyone who comes into the veil. For all the quarains know there is no other solution

Heretics did that and the Geth only attack if they are threaten. Legion makes that clear.

No one knows theres any difference between hereitcs and other geth. And they can't contact the other geth for the aforementioned reason.

Funny then how Legion says the Geth want peace, are you trying to say Legion is lying (even tho he has no reason to lie at all) and if you bring him to the Flotila he tells Korris it's poseable for peace. Korris says it the best.

[SPARTANMST]

IMO both parties have been wronged, the Quarians want their home back, the 'geth' attacked the citadel and from the Quarians perspective are hostile, they don't know that it was a lone faction of Geth, all they know is that their ancestors were pushed off their homeworld by a bunch of 'rouge' AI's, thats a pretty good reason to not want to trust them and for Tali to dislike Legion

Modifié par SPARTANMST, 18 avril 2010 - 09:20 .

[Simon9one]

Lividity Jones wrote...

SU37 wrote...

Sometimes I wish I could force the Council to help the quarians...

"Ah yes 'quarians', the species that unwittingly created the geth, we have di-"

"If you finish that sentence, I will rip off your mandibles."

That dialogue option would make my day. 

[SirEmilCrane]

kraidy1117 wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

About the quarians and the geht, think about it this way.
What if it was earth and we were all afrift without a homeworld? We'd damn sure want earth back wouldn't we?

I dam sure try to find a way for peace, not fly around and not even try to contact the peoiple who did it. I can understand that they are too scared to enter the vall, but it's better trying then declaring war and screwing everything up even worse.

The geth kill everyone who enters the veil, not exactly the best way to make peace is it?

TRhey did't kill Saren....................

Saren had a reaper

[Ormagodenator]

runescapeguy9 wrote...

SU37 wrote...

Sometimes I wish I could force the Council to help the quarians...

The council is next to useless

that's true you save them and what do they do,
nothing NOTHING

[Lividity Jones]

Kikaimegami wrote...

The geth kill anyone who enters the veil because they get attacked. They're probably not speaking up because if they came out to offer peace, they'd just be attacked.

Do you really think the quarians are capable of war with the geth?

Really?

[sergio71785]

kraidy1117 wrote...

And it's there fault. The Quarians should have contacted the Geth, not wander around and then declare war.

You know, the Council tried to contact the geth a few times. They sent peaceful ambassadors to geth space in fact.

They were killed every single time. 

[NuclearBuddha]

Kikaimegami wrote...

The geth kill anyone who enters the veil because they get attacked. They're probably not speaking up because if they came out to offer peace, they'd just be attacked.

Not much of an excuse.  If you really want something you'd run the risk.

[Lividity Jones]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

SPARTANMST wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
Look at it from her perspective, please.  If Legion transmits the data to the geth, and the geth attack the Flotilla in response, how many of her people die?  And not just loony or warlike admirals.  Quarians who don't want war will die.  Children who haven't even left their bubbles yet will die.  What sane person wouldn't try to stop that?

exactly

Thanks.  The lack of human empathy on this stuff around here sometimes confuses me...

Indeed.

[SirEmilCrane]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Funny then how Legion says the Geth want peace, are you trying to say Legion is lying (even tho he has no reason to lie at all) and if you bring him to the Flotila he tells Korris it's poseable for peace. Korris says it the best.

Listen, no one else has spoken to legion but Shepard. The rest of the galaxy doesn't know the difference between heretics and regular geth

[Nivenus]

Huh. Odd that my discussion with Collider would catch on now of all times. Glad to see we're not trolling.



I'll go ahead and repost my last bit from last night, with a few edits.



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I don't think that the quarians prejudice against the geth is wholly unjustified. I disagree with it, but I understand the circumstances and I can see how it would be hard to feel sympathy for the geth from a quarian's perspective. However, I do feel that the quarians struck the first blow and, if I remember correctly, Tali in ME1 even classifies it as such (and most of Shepard's responses also see it as such). The intent behind the quarian deactivation of the geth was not to "assess" the problem and begin a dialogue between the geth and the quarians. It was to prevent a species from coming unto its own and challenging their authority.



I can understand the interpretation that the quarians simply were trying to diagnose a technical issue and that the geth overreacted, but I disagree that the quarians' intentions were not genocidal, at least in some sense. If you press Tali in ME1 on the issue, she'll simply say that free-willed synthetics and organics are incompatible - that peaceful relations are simply impossible between the two. She even goes on to say that, should the quarians have attempted to form peaceful relations with the geth, they would have been left with other problems, such as having a large slave population that might want rights and, of course, sanctions from the Council. These don't sound to me like attempts to deflect the charge of genocide, they sound like attempts to justify it.



Again, the circumstances of the Morning War and the incredible death toll the quarians suffered make Tali's (and most quarians') response understandable and sympathetic, but they don't make it any less blind or one-sided from my point of view. Granted, few in the ME universe are willing to accept peaceful relations with any form of AI, but widespread prejudice does not justify prejudice from an individual - it is wrong regardless and both EDI and Legion demonstrate that AI need not be at odds with organics.



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On another note, it occurs to me that Xen might end becoming a major adversary in ME3, given the hints dropped in ME: Ascension that the quarians were going to try and use the reapers to control the geth. Of course, that plot thread might be completely abandoned, but I'm hoping it won't be. It could be a very interesting route to take with the story.



If it does happen, I'm guessing the Tali/Legion confrontation or your solution to Tali's loyalty mission will come into play. Xen and the quarians as a whole might try to use the technology or, if you win the loyalty of the quarians, she might end up leading a rogue faction.

[kraidy1117]

SPARTANMST wrote...

IMO both parties have been wronged, the Quarians want their home back, the 'geth' attacked the citadel and from the Quarians perspective are hostile, they don't know that it was a lone faction of Geth, all they know is that their ancestors were pushed off their homeworld by a bunch of 'rouge' AI's, thats a pretty good reason to not want to trust them and for Tali to dislike Legion

This ist he thing, when the Quarians found out that the Geth where bcoming smart, they should have talked, not try to kill them all. The war started because of the Quarians. The Geth drove them out of there system which was a better solution then Genocide. Should the Quarians still pay for what they did? Not at all, but they need to make peace and if there is not peace option and I have to pick a side, I am picking the Geth. The Geth where wronged more then the Quarians where.

[Kikaimegami]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...

The geth kill anyone who enters the veil because they get attacked. They're probably not speaking up because if they came out to offer peace, they'd just be attacked.

Do you really think the quarians are capable of war with the geth?

Really?

What? My post wasn't about war with the geth. I'm just stating the fact that geth are always attacked on sight. They fight back. Simple as that.

[LambdaNamNam]

Crush the geth and make desk lamps for the entire galaxy.

[Bloodhuman1]

DrathanGervaise wrote...


"Ah yes-"

"Finish that sentence and I will gouge out your eyes and skullf*ck you.
And as you can see by my choice in women, I do not give a damn about chirality."

Poor Turian.

[Lividity Jones]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

Simon9one wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

SU37 wrote...

Sometimes I wish I could force the Council to help the quarians...

"Ah yes 'quarians', the species that unwittingly created the geth, we have di-"

"If you finish that sentence, I will rip off your mandibles."

That dialogue option would make my day. 

"Ah yes-"

"Finish that sentence and I will gouge out your eyes and skullf*ck you.
And as you can see by my choice in women, I do not give a damn about chirality."

Well played.

[Azint]

Here are facts gathered from the game:

-The quarians are very split on the prospect of war, but they all generally agree on being on the homeworld again.

-The geth are open to peace, but they are uneasy about how often the quarians try to retake the homeworld in a fight.

-Legion is the very first contact the geth have with any other race, and the geth are using Legion as a way to communicate with Shepard

-The quarians and for that matter everyone else have no idea what the geth are up to.

-The geth have only just now began to set out for contact.

[Someone With Mass]

Mistress Hala'Dama. Unit has an inquiry. -What is it, 431? -Do these units have a soul? -Who taught you that word? -We learned it ourselves. It appears 216 times in the Scrolls of Ancestors. -Only quarians have souls. You are a mechanism.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 18 avril 2010 - 09:26 .

[Lividity Jones]

Kikaimegami wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...

The geth kill anyone who enters the veil because they get attacked. They're probably not speaking up because if they came out to offer peace, they'd just be attacked.

Do you really think the quarians are capable of war with the geth?

Really?

What? My post wasn't about war with the geth. I'm just stating the fact that geth are always attacked on sight. They fight back. Simple as that.

Nevermind.