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[kraidy1117]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Nivenus wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Nivenus wrote...

That's a double standard. Shooting the geth because the quarian is humanoid is good but shooting the quarian because the geth is cute is bad? Frankly, I think neither is good but that doesn't stop people from arguing both points.

The geth doesn't have family. It doesn't have emotions. It doesn't have spawn. It doesn't even have individuality.

The geth are monsters for what they did to the quarians.

Whether or not the geth have emotions is debateable. Several fans believe they do. And they do reproduce, just not in an organic sense. Legion and the Codex also explicitly state that the geth are not a hive mind. Instead, they have an inverse quality - a mind hive. Each individual geth construct is an amalgamation of several programs which, together, form a unique individual. That doesn't mean the geth are individuals in the same sense as humans or quarians - they refer to themselves in the plural, for instance. But each geth is unique and Legion is a prime example of this.

And in my eyes, what the quarians tried to do the geth is just as monstrous. That doesn't justify what the geth did, it just means both sides are in the wrong.

The quarians, deactivating the geth, were wrong.

The geth, attempting to slaughter an entire species, were by far worse.

You cannot justify murdering children.

The Geth protected them self, in wars people die. Thats war for you. The Quarians made the mistake of building the geth and then trying to commit Genocide on them. Attemping Genocide is worse then the death of innocent. The Quarians are still alive, they just have to wander around the Galaxy but they are not gone from the Galaxy. If the Geth never protected them self then the Quarians would have coomited Genocide.

[SPARTANMST]

kraidy1117 wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Geth have feelings. Geth are not a VI, they are a true AI and have feelings.

Just shut up man
First of all, geth are hyper-advanced VI or at least they were designed that way. Second of all, the geth can reupload to a mobile platform, the quarian can't. The geth has no family, no emotions it doesn't dream or fear anything

You got to be kidding me. The Geth do have emoitions......... did you even talk to Legion or EDI? Telling me that those two characters don't have feelings and emotions shows me you are a Geth hater.

they have simulated emotions that may have been programmed into them or developed over time, they are still not real emotions as humans or Quarians woudl experience them, they are merely simulated emotional responces to situations

[Azint]

Okay, discussion is over.

Quarians- need a homeworld, need to know that the geth are not evil machines. They distrust the geth because of the history.
Geth- need to communicate, need to let the quarians know they are sorry. They distrust the quarians because of the hitroy.
Neither group deserves what they have now.

/discussion

Mass Effect 3 will close this for us, mmkay?

[RedTracer7]

sergio71785 wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...
300 years of fearing the Geth, however, have shaded the quarians views.  Tali displays this if you bring Legion along to recruit her. 

That's not really the best example. 

Every geth Tali has ever encountered has opened fire on her. She was just in an area where dozens of geth killed her friends. It's only logical she'd see a mobile platform and want to open fire on it.

It's like... if in during WW2 or something, you run into a fellow Allied soldier, and there's a guy with a n4zi uniform standing behind you. 

EDIT: Apparently the National Socialist German Workers' Party is a bad word.

You, sir, just made a good point.

[SPARTANMST]

how did we even get onto talking about this, its supposed to be a Tali fan thread not a place to have a Quarian v Geth war

Modifié par SPARTANMST, 18 avril 2010 - 09:55 .

[Simon9one]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Simon9one wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

A war that they casused. It is there own dam fault that there decendents have to live like this. The Geth are diffrent. The Geth never die and still remember the war. The Geth want peace, but if they must they will fight back.

The quarians lashed out against what they thought were simply unshackled AIs....the geth committed genocide.  It could be argued that the quarians started it.  But they were met with the merciless, remorseless killing of most of their population.  300 years later they're still stuck without a home.

Can you really say they deserve that?

Geth did't cause Genocide, the Quarians attemped Genocide. The Geth protected them self. The Geth pushed them back.

They did more than push the quarians back.  Killing billions upon billions is far more more than pushing them back.  No population would have that many soldiers...we have to assume that a lot of civilians died.
And it wasn't genocide from the quarian point of view. It was disabling some dangerously self-aware machines.  Machines they built not to be sentient but to be servants.  They thought they knew what the geth were and they were wrong.  And they paid far too large a price for that mistake. 

[Katharr]

Ok this has gotten way out of hand, i just will ignore kraidy for further times and i'm out now, can't stand this anymore.

Keelah Se'lai friends.

[Kikaimegami]

[Azint]

The geth and quarians should settle matters like this

[herbie dog]

Change Topic pls!!!!

[Lividity Jones]

Katharr wrote...

Ok this has gotten way out of hand, i just will ignore kraidy for further times and i'm out now, can't stand this anymore.
Keelah Se'lai friends.

Agreed.

I don't need to deal with some amoral psychopath.

Keelah Se'lai.

[Collider]

I suggest you all make a topic here
social.bioware.com/group/1680/
If you want to continue this discussion of Quarian and Geth morality. It's far too messy in this thread.

[Katharr]

runescapeguy9 wrote...

Katharr wrote...

Ok this has gotten way out of hand, i just will ignore kraidy for further times and i'm out now, can't stand this anymore.
Keelah Se'lai friends.

Keelah Se'lai Katharr.

Call me Mike if you feel better.

[SPARTANMST]

Azint wrote...

Okay, discussion is over.

Quarians- need a homeworld, need to know that the geth are not evil machines. They distrust the geth because of the history.
Geth- need to communicate, need to let the quarians know they are sorry. They distrust the quarians because of the hitroy.
Neither group deserves what they have now.

/discussion

Mass Effect 3 will close this for us, mmkay?

its a good example of how ancient grudges and conflicts can have bad effects on people living in the present, bioware may be dropping a few hints here

[Goat_Shepard]

RedTracer7 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...
300 years of fearing the Geth, however, have shaded the quarians views.  Tali displays this if you bring Legion along to recruit her. 

That's not really the best example. 

Every geth Tali has ever encountered has opened fire on her. She was just in an area where dozens of geth killed her friends. It's only logical she'd see a mobile platform and want to open fire on it.

It's like... if in during WW2 or something, you run into a fellow Allied soldier, and there's a guy with a n4zi uniform standing behind you. 

EDIT: Apparently the National Socialist German Workers' Party is a bad word.

You, sir, just made a good point.

That's why he wears the snazzy hat

Azint wrote...

Okay, discussion is over.

Quarians-
need a homeworld, need to know that the geth are not evil machines. They distrust the geth because of the history. Geth- need to communicate, need to let the quarians know they are sorry. They distrust the  quarians because of the hitroy. Neither group deserves what they have now.

/discussion

Mass Effect 3 will close this for us,  mmkay?

It's amazing I'm actually scared of the amount of on-topic discussion. I have to use my brain now lol but the fact is, Bioware struck gold with this storyline, I can't find anybody at fault concerning the Morning Wars, I love the quarians and geth equally, but if I had to choose, I choose the Creators, not the Created.

Not gunna be that way though (peace is inevitable), so I'm gunna keep lurking and sucking in this knowledge

lets go Tali

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 18 avril 2010 - 09:58 .

[SirEmilCrane]

Simon9one wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Simon9one wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

A war that they casused. It is there own dam fault that there decendents have to live like this. The Geth are diffrent. The Geth never die and still remember the war. The Geth want peace, but if they must they will fight back.

The quarians lashed out against what they thought were simply unshackled AIs....the geth committed genocide.  It could be argued that the quarians started it.  But they were met with the merciless, remorseless killing of most of their population.  300 years later they're still stuck without a home.

Can you really say they deserve that?

Geth did't cause Genocide, the Quarians attemped Genocide. The Geth protected them self. The Geth pushed them back.

They did more than push the quarians back.  Killing billions upon billions is far more more than pushing them back.  No population would have that many soldiers...we have to assume that a lot of civilians died.
And it wasn't genocide from the quarian point of view. It was disabling some dangerously self-aware machines.  Machines they built not to be sentient but to be servants.  They thought they knew what the geth were and they were wrong.  And they paid far too large a price for that mistake. 

QFT
The geth could've easily fought the Quarians to surrender and then had that great discussion that they were supposed ot have. But they didn't, they wiped out the nearly the entire Quarian people

Justify that

[SPARTANMST]

Katharr wrote...

runescapeguy9 wrote...

Katharr wrote...

Ok this has gotten way out of hand, i just will ignore kraidy for further times and i'm out now, can't stand this anymore.
Keelah Se'lai friends.

Keelah Se'lai Katharr.

Call me Mike if you feel better.

keelah se'lai

[Kikaimegami]

It's my fault. I started the argument with a comment I made earlier.



I'm sorry

[RedTracer7]

 It concerns me that half of this board seems to enjoy complex discussions, and the other half doesn't.

I guess we could talk about Rule 34.  Oh, wait.  That is the exact opposite of the Geth-Quarian conversation, but it frequently pops up here.  There is no middle ground!

"Abandon your posts!  We are doomed!"

[kraidy1117]

Simon9one wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Simon9one wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

A war that they casused. It is there own dam fault that there decendents have to live like this. The Geth are diffrent. The Geth never die and still remember the war. The Geth want peace, but if they must they will fight back.

The quarians lashed out against what they thought were simply unshackled AIs....the geth committed genocide.  It could be argued that the quarians started it.  But they were met with the merciless, remorseless killing of most of their population.  300 years later they're still stuck without a home.

Can you really say they deserve that?

Geth did't cause Genocide, the Quarians attemped Genocide. The Geth protected them self. The Geth pushed them back.

They did more than push the quarians back.  Killing billions upon billions is far more more than pushing them back.  No population would have that many soldiers...we have to assume that a lot of civilians died.
And it wasn't genocide from the quarian point of view. It was disabling some dangerously self-aware machines.  Machines they built not to be sentient but to be servants.  They thought they knew what the geth were and they were wrong.  And they paid far too large a price for that mistake. 

The Quarians paid the price form aking a mistake. They know never to do that again. My topic still stands, if there is no choice for peace and you have to pick a side, would you realy pick the Quarians, knowing that they caused the whole mess, and that even with the option for peavem they won't take it? Thats what I was getting and if I have to choose I would pick the Geth.

[sergio71785]

Yeah, I think I'll put my hand in to help end this discussion.

Debates in general very rarely accomplish anything beyond convincing an undecided 3rd party; rarely does anyone change their side.

The debate is irrelevant, because in ME3 the quarians will get their homeworld back peacefully. It's basically an unofficial fact.

The geth don't hold a grudge against the quarians, the quarians only want their homeworld back, the geth don't use the homeworld, the quarians need a planet to be able to use their fleet against the Reapers, etc.

All of that is pretty indicative that Bioware is setting up the pieces for potential peace between them.

[SPARTANMST]

Kikaimegami wrote...

It's my fault. I started the argument with a comment I made earlier.

I'm sorry

lol shows how things can go spiralling out of control:D