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[SPARTANMST]

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Bye friends!

Modifié par SPARTANMST, 18 avril 2010 - 10:06 .

[kraidy1117]

Sky Shadowing wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Simon9one wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Simon9one wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

A war that they casused. It is there own dam fault that there decendents have to live like this. The Geth are diffrent. The Geth never die and still remember the war. The Geth want peace, but if they must they will fight back.

The quarians lashed out against what they thought were simply unshackled AIs....the geth committed genocide.  It could be argued that the quarians started it.  But they were met with the merciless, remorseless killing of most of their population.  300 years later they're still stuck without a home.

Can you really say they deserve that?

Geth did't cause Genocide, the Quarians attemped Genocide. The Geth protected them self. The Geth pushed them back.

They did more than push the quarians back.  Killing billions upon billions is far more more than pushing them back.  No population would have that many soldiers...we have to assume that a lot of civilians died.
And it wasn't genocide from the quarian point of view. It was disabling some dangerously self-aware machines.  Machines they built not to be sentient but to be servants.  They thought they knew what the geth were and they were wrong.  And they paid far too large a price for that mistake. 

The Quarians paid the price form aking a mistake. They know never to do that again. My topic still stands, if there is no choice for peace and you have to pick a side, would you realy pick the Quarians, knowing that they caused the whole mess, and that even with the option for peavem they won't take it? Thats what I was getting and if I have to choose I would pick the Geth.

Would you condemn a species to extinction because of the sins of their fathers, while the Geth not only defeated the Quarians who came to destroy them, but brutally murdered billions of non-combatants?

Defending yourself against genocide does not justify genocide.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

Read that, thats Genocide. The Geth did not do that, the Geth did not kill half of the Quarian population, only about a quarter of it. What the Quarians did was Genocide. Case over, lets go talking about Tali again.

[sergio71785]

[SPARTANMST]

Modifié par SPARTANMST, 18 avril 2010 - 10:06 .

[Lord Dravek]

I've been looking around the Bioware forums, I've come to the conclusion that this is the only public thread worth posting in...

[Kikaimegami]

sergio71785 wrote...



The Normandy crew faces tough times.

Legion pick pockets some guy while Tali acts as lookout. 

It's all about teamwork!

[Collider]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Collider wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

herbie dog wrote...

Change Topic pls!!!!

lol too on topic for you?

Collider wrote...

I suggest you all make a topic here
social.bioware.com/group/1680/
If
you want to continue this discussion of Quarian and Geth morality. It's
far too messy in this thread.

Actually might be a good idea. I hate you and your logic Collider

You know what, I'm gunna actually read the codexes, and then I might be able to match my logic with yours.

Unless you've read the novels in which case forget it I'll just nod my head.

Haven't read the novels. It seems likely reading them would make me even more sympathetic to the Quarians.

[RedTracer7]

Sky Shadowing wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...

runescapeguy9 wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...

 It concerns me that half of this board seems to enjoy complex discussions, and the other half doesn't.

I guess we could talk about Rule 34.  Oh, wait.  That is the exact opposite of the Geth-Quarian conversation, but it frequently pops up here.  There is no middle ground!

"Abandon your posts!  We are doomed!"

It's not that we don't enjoy the conversation, it's when people start going "YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME" or calling others psycopaths.

Making an argument personal is simply a tactic.  And people were not yelling for the discussion to end because of personal attacks.  They were calling for "peace" and whatnot.

Agreed. Peace is the obvious option for ME3.

I will cease and desist arguing.

*FacePalm*

[Andaius20]

sergio71785 wrote...



The Normandy crew faces tough times.

Legion pick pockets some guy while Tali acts as lookout. 

LOL nice one!

[Andaius20]

sergio71785 wrote...



The Normandy crew faces tough times.

Legion pick pockets some guy while Tali acts as lookout. 

LOL nice one!

[Kikaimegami]

[Sky Shadowing]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Sky Shadowing wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Simon9one wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Simon9one wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

A war that they casused. It is there own dam fault that there decendents have to live like this. The Geth are diffrent. The Geth never die and still remember the war. The Geth want peace, but if they must they will fight back.

The quarians lashed out against what they thought were simply unshackled AIs....the geth committed genocide.  It could be argued that the quarians started it.  But they were met with the merciless, remorseless killing of most of their population.  300 years later they're still stuck without a home.

Can you really say they deserve that?

Geth did't cause Genocide, the Quarians attemped Genocide. The Geth protected them self. The Geth pushed them back.

They did more than push the quarians back.  Killing billions upon billions is far more more than pushing them back.  No population would have that many soldiers...we have to assume that a lot of civilians died.
And it wasn't genocide from the quarian point of view. It was disabling some dangerously self-aware machines.  Machines they built not to be sentient but to be servants.  They thought they knew what the geth were and they were wrong.  And they paid far too large a price for that mistake. 

The Quarians paid the price form aking a mistake. They know never to do that again. My topic still stands, if there is no choice for peace and you have to pick a side, would you realy pick the Quarians, knowing that they caused the whole mess, and that even with the option for peavem they won't take it? Thats what I was getting and if I have to choose I would pick the Geth.

Would you condemn a species to extinction because of the sins of their fathers, while the Geth not only defeated the Quarians who came to destroy them, but brutally murdered billions of non-combatants?

Defending yourself against genocide does not justify genocide.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

Read that, thats Genocide. The Geth did not do that, the Geth did not kill half of the Quarian population, only about a quarter of it. What the Quarians did was Genocide. Case over, lets go talking about Tali again.

Not to pick back up the argument, but I will point out a logical fallacy in your argument.

The Geth destroyed 99% of the Quarian populace. Not <50%. 99%.

That said, NOW I'm done, unless I can use my massive store of knowledge (I HAVE read the books and the Codex) impartially.

[Someone With Mass]

runescapeguy9 wrote...

Lord Dravek wrote...

I've been looking around the Bioware forums, I've come to the conclusion that this is the only public thread worth posting in...

Made that decision a long long time ago.

That's the power of Tali'Zorah.

[Andaius20]

Hello Kikai, how goes it?

[sergio71785]

kraidy1117 wrote...
The Geth did not do that, the Geth did not kill half of the Quarian population, only about a quarter of it. What the Quarians did was Genocide.

Wait, so you think the entire population of quarians, on their homeworld and on their colonies, was only ~70 million?

Damn, they weren't doing so well for such an advanced race. In all the Galaxy they only had double the population of California. 

No wait, no. They had billions of people, of which only 17-20 million made it out alive. 

[kraidy1117]

Sky Shadowing wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Sky Shadowing wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Simon9one wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Simon9one wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

A war that they casused. It is there own dam fault that there decendents have to live like this. The Geth are diffrent. The Geth never die and still remember the war. The Geth want peace, but if they must they will fight back.

The quarians lashed out against what they thought were simply unshackled AIs....the geth committed genocide.  It could be argued that the quarians started it.  But they were met with the merciless, remorseless killing of most of their population.  300 years later they're still stuck without a home.

Can you really say they deserve that?

Geth did't cause Genocide, the Quarians attemped Genocide. The Geth protected them self. The Geth pushed them back.

They did more than push the quarians back.  Killing billions upon billions is far more more than pushing them back.  No population would have that many soldiers...we have to assume that a lot of civilians died.
And it wasn't genocide from the quarian point of view. It was disabling some dangerously self-aware machines.  Machines they built not to be sentient but to be servants.  They thought they knew what the geth were and they were wrong.  And they paid far too large a price for that mistake. 

The Quarians paid the price form aking a mistake. They know never to do that again. My topic still stands, if there is no choice for peace and you have to pick a side, would you realy pick the Quarians, knowing that they caused the whole mess, and that even with the option for peavem they won't take it? Thats what I was getting and if I have to choose I would pick the Geth.

Would you condemn a species to extinction because of the sins of their fathers, while the Geth not only defeated the Quarians who came to destroy them, but brutally murdered billions of non-combatants?

Defending yourself against genocide does not justify genocide.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

Read that, thats Genocide. The Geth did not do that, the Geth did not kill half of the Quarian population, only about a quarter of it. What the Quarians did was Genocide. Case over, lets go talking about Tali again.

Not to pick back up the argument, but I will point out a logical fallacy in your argument.

The Geth destroyed 99% of the Quarian populace. Not <50%. 99%.

That said, NOW I'm done, unless I can use my massive store of knowledge (I HAVE read the books and the Codex) impartially.

Again, proof of that number? or is that a number that you decided to make up? It only says billions of Geth died. 99% is not mentioned in the coxed or books at all. Don't make up numbers.

[sergio71785]

[Kikaimegami]

Andaius20 wrote...

Hello Kikai, how goes it?

Going well here! Just arguing about the Morning War and everything. And I made a new picture! In the name of peace.

[Collider]

social.bioware.com/group/1680/discussion/6792/
If you want to continue the discussion about Geth and Quarian conflict, there's your place.

[sergio71785]

[kraidy1117]

sergio71785 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
The Geth did not do that, the Geth did not kill half of the Quarian population, only about a quarter of it. What the Quarians did was Genocide.

Wait, so you think the entire population of quarians, on their homeworld and on their colonies, was only ~70 million?

Damn, they weren't doing so well for such an advanced race. In all the Galaxy they only had double the population of California. 

No wait, no. They had billions of people, of which only 17-20 million made it out alive. 

Again you don't know the full population before the war, you can not pull out numbers. The only number we have is billions of Quarians. We are not even given a number of surviors. We just know there is around 17 million Quarians alive.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 18 avril 2010 - 10:11 .

[Goat_Shepard]

Collider wrote...
Haven't read the novels. It seems likely reading them would make me even more sympathetic to the Quarians.

Omg man cmon let's read them you and me both. We can read about and feel bad for all of Cerberus' victims and maybe even read about quarian breakfast recipes, it'll be fun