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[NuclearBuddha]

timedrake32 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
The comparison with Garrus is kinda apt:  they could be very similar.  However, Jacob doesn't have the alien=cool thing going on.  More importantly, Garrus was all kinds of developed in ME1, where you could argue him around to being more paragon or renegade.  If Jacob had a little bit of that, he could at least aspire to be the new Garrus.

nope thats grunt.. grunts the new garrus:D

Not quite.  Grunt is like the extremely violent and foul-mouthed adopted son I've never had.  He is still learning, and thus not bro material.

[Someone With Mass]

Garrus was kind of a receiver in the first game.

Shepard: No! We are not going to do it like that! Do you understand me?

Garrus: Oh...okay...

And then he just accepts it. No argue, nothing. In ME2, on the other hand...

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 19 avril 2010 - 01:14 .

[Katharr]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Katharr wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
I've never saved her.  I would feel like too much of a sh*t when I had to kill Samara.

Same here, i could never kill Samara and save that rapist murder, it's just against everything i stand for.

I would also never bring Morinth onto a ship full of people I actually do like.  Because that is a recipe for disaster.

That's why i cant take Tali to that mission, even if she's not really there since you have to do it alone, i don't want her near that monster and of course i don't want the vampire on my ship for the same reason.

[RiptideX1090]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
Yeah. He's just so... meh.

He has the same powers more or less as Grunt, but Grunt is far more effective. So he's eclipsed Combat wise.

In terms of bro status, Garrus has that one covered, seeing as he's been with you for two games and covers your ass with his sniper rifle.

And in terms of character... just... theres not much there. His loyalty mission revolves around his father. His recruitment mission revolves around Shepard and Cerberus. He's just in the backround all the time.

The comparison with Garrus is kinda apt:  they could be very similar.  However, Jacob doesn't have the alien=cool thing going on.  More importantly, Garrus was all kinds of developed in ME1, where you could argue him around to being more paragon or renegade.  If Jacob had a little bit of that, he could at least aspire to be the new Garrus.

Problem is, You'll always have history with Garrus that you never will with Jacob. And unless you romance him, your relationship with Jacob never feels as close as the one with Garrus. Garrus was your student in the first game, true, but when you get him back on your ship in 2, he's not just your student, he's your buddy, the guy who you saw take a rocket to the face, the guy who isn't just willing to work with you again, he's happy to. He's your comrade.

I never felt that same sense of brotherhood with Jacob.

[NuclearBuddha]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Garrus was kind of a receiver in the first game.

Shepard: No! We are not going to do it like that! Do you understand me?

Garrus: Oh...okay...

And then he just accepts it. No argue, nothing. In ME2, on the other hand...

This description gets even funnier when you think about him and femShep.

[RiptideX1090]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Garrus was kind of a receiver in the first game.

Shepard: No! We are not going to do it like that! Do you understand me?

Garrus: Oh...okay...

And then he just accepts it. No argue, nothing. In ME2, on the other hand...

This description gets even funnier when you think about him and femShep.

[Someone With Mass]

And in the first game, Tali was just that odd alien that you brought along because of her tech skills.



At least the first time.

[NuclearBuddha]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
The comparison with Garrus is kinda apt:  they could be very similar.  However, Jacob doesn't have the alien=cool thing going on.  More importantly, Garrus was all kinds of developed in ME1, where you could argue him around to being more paragon or renegade.  If Jacob had a little bit of that, he could at least aspire to be the new Garrus.

Problem is, You'll always have history with Garrus that you never will with Jacob. And unless you romance him, your relationship with Jacob never feels as close as the one with Garrus. Garrus was your student in the first game, true, but when you get him back on your ship in 2, he's not just your student, he's your buddy, the guy who you saw take a rocket to the face, the guy who isn't just willing to work with you again, he's happy to. He's your comrade.

I never felt that same sense of brotherhood with Jacob.

That's why I said "aspire to be the new Garrus."  Of course Jacob can't compete with the shared history Garrus and Shep have.

I actually did like the "new recruit" talks Shep and Jacob always had.  Jacob got to throw out some opinions, and while I often had to shoot them down, it was a nice bit of interaction.  They could have used that to give the player some influence over Jacob, but alas, that was not developed.

[Someone With Mass]

Rakia_Time wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

I would also never bring Morinth onto a ship full of people I actually do like.  Because that is a recipe for disaster.

Morinth's not that stupid, she probably knows that if something happens on the Normandy it can easily be traced to her.......and in space there's nowhere to hide 

And that's another reason for us to be able to use the air lock. Right?

[NuclearBuddha]

Rakia_Time wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
I would also never bring Morinth onto a ship full of people I actually do like.  Because that is a recipe for disaster.

Morinth's not that stupid, she probably knows that if something happens on the Normandy it can easily be traced to her.......and in space there's nowhere to hide 

Until someone just never comes back from shore leave.  Did they desert?  We'll never know for sure if we don't find the body.

[RiptideX1090]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
The comparison with Garrus is kinda apt:  they could be very similar.  However, Jacob doesn't have the alien=cool thing going on.  More importantly, Garrus was all kinds of developed in ME1, where you could argue him around to being more paragon or renegade.  If Jacob had a little bit of that, he could at least aspire to be the new Garrus.

Problem is, You'll always have history with Garrus that you never will with Jacob. And unless you romance him, your relationship with Jacob never feels as close as the one with Garrus. Garrus was your student in the first game, true, but when you get him back on your ship in 2, he's not just your student, he's your buddy, the guy who you saw take a rocket to the face, the guy who isn't just willing to work with you again, he's happy to. He's your comrade.

I never felt that same sense of brotherhood with Jacob.

That's why I said "aspire to be the new Garrus."  Of course Jacob can't compete with the shared history Garrus and Shep have.

I actually did like the "new recruit" talks Shep and Jacob always had.  Jacob got to throw out some opinions, and while I often had to shoot them down, it was a nice bit of interaction.  They could have used that to give the player some influence over Jacob, but alas, that was not developed.

That's another thing that always bothered me about Jacob, AND Miranda for that matter. Yeah, they have opinions and all, and that's great for character...

Except their opinions all SUCK. Jacob bags on Thane. Jacob bags on Legion. Miranda bags on Jack, and Grunt, and every time she opens her mouth during the suicide mission, she says something liable to get people killed.

Neither one of them are helpful. At all.

Sad thing is, Jacob had potential. He looks up to Shepard, and could have filled the void of student left by Garrus's ascendence to badassery. Showing Jacob that Cerberus is wrong, or that you should get the job done no matter the collateral damage, it had potential. But it was never fleshed out.

[Someone With Mass]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
The comparison with Garrus is kinda apt:  they could be very similar.  However, Jacob doesn't have the alien=cool thing going on.  More importantly, Garrus was all kinds of developed in ME1, where you could argue him around to being more paragon or renegade.  If Jacob had a little bit of that, he could at least aspire to be the new Garrus.

Problem is, You'll always have history with Garrus that you never will with Jacob. And unless you romance him, your relationship with Jacob never feels as close as the one with Garrus. Garrus was your student in the first game, true, but when you get him back on your ship in 2, he's not just your student, he's your buddy, the guy who you saw take a rocket to the face, the guy who isn't just willing to work with you again, he's happy to. He's your comrade.

I never felt that same sense of brotherhood with Jacob.

That's why I said "aspire to be the new Garrus."  Of course Jacob can't compete with the shared history Garrus and Shep have.

I actually did like the "new recruit" talks Shep and Jacob always had.  Jacob got to throw out some opinions, and while I often had to shoot them down, it was a nice bit of interaction.  They could have used that to give the player some influence over Jacob, but alas, that was not developed.

That's another thing that always bothered me about Jacob, AND Miranda for that matter. Yeah, they have opinions and all, and that's great for character...

Except their opinions all SUCK. Jacob bags on Thane. Jacob bags on Legion. Miranda bags on Jack, and Grunt, and every time she opens her mouth during the suicide mission, she says something liable to get people killed.

Neither one of them are helpful. At all.

Sad thing is, Jacob had potential. He looks up to Shepard, and could have filled the void of student left by Garrus's ascendence to badassery. Showing Jacob that Cerberus is wrong, or that you should get the job done no matter the collateral damage, it had potential. But it was never fleshed out.

In theory, anyone with biotics should be able to do it.

Right...

Who put you in charge again? TIM? Not on my ship, lady.

[Talimancer]

HI Everyone!

How is it going?

[Someone With Mass]

[Talimancer]

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[Talimancer]

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[smecky-kitteh]

Talimancer wrote...

HI Everyone!
How is it going?

hello. *suspiciously eyeing*

[Someone With Mass]

[RiptideX1090]

Someone With Mass wrote...



In theory, anyone with biotics should be able to do it.

Right...

Who put you in charge again? TIM? Not on my ship, lady.

Yeah. And Jacob volenteering to go into the vents...

It just feels like they were there to hinder the mission more than help it. Honestly, niether one of them are useful for much of anything it seems.

I know some would argue that Miranda is great at cutting through defenses, but one you get Armor Piercing for Garrus, he's far more effective and lasts longer than her anyway.

They both just feel like... they're there... like furniture... not really doing anything helpful.

[timedrake32]

smecky-kitteh wrote...

Talimancer wrote...

HI Everyone!
How is it going?

hello. *suspiciously eyeing*

*wishper* it's herbie:whistle:

[NuclearBuddha]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
That's why I said "aspire to be the new Garrus."  Of course Jacob can't compete with the shared history Garrus and Shep have.

I actually did like the "new recruit" talks Shep and Jacob always had.  Jacob got to throw out some opinions, and while I often had to shoot them down, it was a nice bit of interaction.  They could have used that to give the player some influence over Jacob, but alas, that was not developed.

That's another thing that always bothered me about Jacob, AND Miranda for that matter. Yeah, they have opinions and all, and that's great for character...

Except their opinions all SUCK. Jacob bags on Thane. Jacob bags on Legion. Miranda bags on Jack, and Grunt, and every time she opens her mouth during the suicide mission, she says something liable to get people killed.

Neither one of them are helpful. At all.

Sad thing is, Jacob had potential. He looks up to Shepard, and could have filled the void of student left by Garrus's ascendence to badassery. Showing Jacob that Cerberus is wrong, or that you should get the job done no matter the collateral damage, it had potential. But it was never fleshed out.

In fairness, Miranda is correct when she says she can lead the B-team.  But yeah, that's about it.

And I kinda could see where Jacob was coming from on Legion:  I mean, as a player we know having a geth on the team is superawesome, but after seeing what happened on the Alarei, the idea should be more scary.  And he tried to make nice with Tali (until the parting shot about EDI that everyone tends to focus on).  His opinion on Thane would make more sense if it weren't for the hypocrisy.  Jacob hates mercenaries, but is a hired gun?  And if his excuse is that he's following ideology rather than money, then how does he explain his discomfort with Cerberus' methods?

Totally in agreement about Jacob's potential, though.

[smecky-kitteh]

does anyone ells besides me get sad that tali is probably one of the easiest characters to lose in the game ='(

[Talimancer]

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