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[Goat_Shepard]

Phil725 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Azint wrote...

Okay, everyone is rambling about the aftermath. Let's actually try and start an on-topic discussion, I will start with a daring topic;

What do you think will happen if you start a game of Mass Effect 3 with Tali killed? How will the game play? What sort of impact will it have on the story?

And no saying crap like; I will never let Tali die! The point of the discussion is to share ideas, not dismiss them.

Who replaces her? You need a Quarian crewmate, how could you have a playthrough with no Quarian? If Garrus is dead do you not have a Turian? Grunt dead you dont get Wrex or any krogan? Seems a boring-ass playthrough 

I would like to adopt a Quarian like that one on Omega. Make him my protege. Name him Junior....

*snip*

Thats a pretty massive amount of development to have a plan A and plan B character for each slot.  In fact, I'm pretty confident in saying they won't go that way, and design 25 different unique characters.  If your game file is corrupted, and Tali is dead in it as a result, I would assume your team is one smaller, and infinitely less awesome

Its motivation to import a game with the characters alive, although I do wonder how they'll handle the default import.  Everyone dead would be very dry.

How much dialogue did the characters have in ME2, really? And in ME3, they won't even have loyalty missions (or recruit missions, who knows?). I agree it makes sense so that they don't reward you for letting your squadmates die.

Most of the work will be put into LIs, the rest, meh. Tali alive and Shepard building her a house on Ran-oh just saying it brings forth the man tears why why...

[paperkut808]

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At least cannedcream only got her shot in head.  It's way worse when she's taken by the seeker swarms.

...the screams...
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No I don't want to know, I don't think I could take it.  My man-points are already low, no more please!

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...
Thats a pretty massive amount of development to have a plan A and plan B character for each slot.  In fact, I'm pretty confident in saying they won't go that way, and design 25 different unique characters.  If your game file is corrupted, and Tali is dead in it as a result, I would assume your team is one smaller, and infinitely less awesome

Its motivation to import a game with the characters alive, although I do wonder how they'll handle the default import.  Everyone dead would be very dry.

I think it's fairly clear they are not going to make replacement characters availble only if certain squad mates died. That is just a waste of resources, considering how most, outside of easily rectifiable mistakes or intentional killings, had playthroughs with most if not all squad mates survived. If not, one can easily reload. And those who kill intentionally deserve even more the consequences of their actions.

[Azint]

sergio71785 wrote...

Tali is like the most famous Quarian in the galaxy.

You know how there's been like a million articles and articles in regards to 9-11? Within the ME universe, the Citadel getting attacked would be like a hundred times bigger news than that even. 

Since Shepard and his crew played such a major role (hell, Shepard is referred to as the Hero of the Battle of the Citadel) would be in all these news articles and documentaries and all that. Tali would be mentioned in all of these things.

Hell, I bet she has her own in-depth page in Space-Wikipedia.

Well I'm sure all of the squadmates got some sort of fame, except Garrus for some reason.

Tali likely, because of how close the quarians are to each other, and it does come up during the trial, her contribution to the first game.

[paperkut808]

SirEmilCrane wrote...

paperkut808 wrote...

So, I just read cannedcream's fanfics...both of them in fact, and I felt compelled to post. 

It has occured to me that while I have lurked this thread for a while, after reading those fictions, it was amazing the amount of pain my soul felt, and with that I have come to a realization, and I'm gonna use some Grunt.  I AM TALIMANCER! Not duck, talimancer lol. How could you make Tali hurt cannedcream?  WHY!?  Good stories, though!

Her's to keeping Tali Alive!

Welcome aboard, everyone has their moment when they realize that they are a talimancer. Mine was when I finished the suicide mission and Tali hauled my sorry arse onto the normandy after I had just saved her.

I just sat there staring at the screen.

I think I always knew ,just nervous to post.  This thread moves fast haha

[Sleepicub09]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
Some more non-all-covering headgear would not be rejected.

Altair is riding Garret's coat-tails, though.

Ha! Someone else who knows who Garret is? I loved Theif.

Digital High Five.

Place your hand up against the screen, my friend.

The Thief series is one of the better arguments I've ever seen that PC gaming used to be better than it is now.

ME2 is one of the better counter-arguments.

I never got to play it on PC, I played Theif of Shadows on the original XBox. Worth it. I'm a sucker for stealth games, like Thief and Splinter Cell, probably why I feel so at home as an Infiltrator.

I'm a sucker for any game that lets me play hide and seek. My prefered class for BF:BCII is recon 

[Phil725]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

I have a feeling that giving TIM the Collector Base will end up in half your squad dying at the beginning of ME3.

Funny, thats pretty much the paragon decision that I see as having the largest negative consequences.  Say what you want about TIM and his evilness, but he needs the reapers defeated as much as you.  He won't be a hindrance to start ME3.  

The Cerberus threat is later, for now, they should be a solid ally.

[Shazzammer2]

so...im here watching these....star wars clone wars episodes and thought crossed my mind....what the hell happens to 'snips' before episode 3 does she...die or something?

[Azint]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

I'm from Texas.

There's just a high density of douchebags "Bros" around here, it rubs off on you.

I think we're going to have to quarantine you. For the sake of everyone else.

[RiptideX1090]

Phil725 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
*snip*

Tali didn't really seem like a heroine during her trial.  At least half of the crowd was just fine with declaring her a traitor with no evidence.  She also would have died a hero (if it was possible for her to be killed.)  It isn't like Shepard killed her randomly.

And as much as I like Tali, she really isn't hugely important to the quarians reclaiming the homeworld.  Shepard and Legion are the key people.  Legion is the portal into the geth viewpoint, and Shepard can converse with/boss around the admirals without Tali.  Tali didn't really add much during her trial.

I personally believe it is very possible for Tali to sway the Admiralty Board in favor of peace should she provide testament to Shepard and Legion's activities against the Heretic Geth. Shepard and obviously Legion are outsiders. If Tali is exonerated, she may help the effort in the Quarians realizing that peace is an option.

Invoking metagaming knowledge though, would Bioware really make it impossible to convince the admirals without Tali?  We would most likely just get a persuasion check or something. 

Shepard should have enough weight at this point to convince the admirals of whatever.  They may be outsiders, but they are very familiar to the quarians for outsiders.  If they could provide a way for the quarians to reclaim their homeworld, I can't see them denying it because Shep isn't a quarian.

I agree that Tali would make the process go smoother, but I can't see its success hanging on whether she's there or not.

I think you should be able to do it either way, but if you want to get the full emotional impact, Tali would have to be there. If she's alive, she can express her gratitude for you helping get her world back, if you're in a relationship with her, maybe you can offer to build a house on her homeworld for both of you. If she's dead, you miss out on all of that. Similar to how you miss out on certain things by never activating Legion, you never discover why he has your armor, you never see him fight with Tali, and you can't take him to the Flotilla. Missed Emotional impact.

[Collider]

Azint wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Collider wrote...

Azint wrote...

Okay, everyone is rambling about the aftermath. Let's actually try and start an on-topic discussion, I will start with a daring topic;

What do you think will happen if you start a game of Mass Effect 3 with Tali killed? How will the game play? What sort of impact will it have on the story?

And no saying crap like; I will never let Tali die! The point of the discussion is to share ideas, not dismiss them.

It will likely effect the Geth and Quarian story, to what extent I am not sure. This is due in part to the fact that you will almost certainly be able to play as a new Shepard in ME3, there is a possibility for some characters to be dead so allusions to ME2 will not be as frequent for the new player who would not understand them - just as they did with Wrex, the Rachni Queen, and the council. Tali's death may affect the possibility of recruiting the Quarians to your cause, although I am doubtful. Most likely, another NPC will replace her as the figurehead of the Quarians if that is her role in ME3.

Interesting. What other NPC? Kal'Reegar can die, otherwise he'd be perfect for a...erm....replacement *gulp* if the unthinkable should happen.

I really don't think there should be any replacements for anyone. By doing that, it would make their deaths much less dramatic, and leave even less of an impression.

When I say a replacement NPC I mean in the same vein as Urdnot Wreav. Basically someone else to take the reigns, but is not recruitable in the least. Of course that would be assuming that Tali even really has a position to begin with. She could easily just help Shepard in convincing the Quarians, or whatever the subplot is, against the Reapers.

[Archonsg]

BTW, anyone here also read sci-fi books?

Been Reading "The Lost Fleet" series, and I kinda burned through 4 books in almost as many days. Good space Naval fleet action (think SCI-FI where more Science then "fiction") its pretty good, a little "campy" at times, but that's space opera for you.



Anyways. Coming back on topic, one of the keystones of The Lost Fleet series is how only after 100 years of War, humanity's perspective on "life" is kinda warped.

Thinking of the 300 years that the Quarians have spent on exile and forced to essentially be the "bums" of the galaxy must surely have the same downward effect on the Quarian's mindset.



Makes me think that war with the Geth is a foregone conclusion.

[NuclearBuddha]

Phil725 wrote...

DrathanGervaise wrote...

I have a feeling that giving TIM the Collector Base will end up in half your squad dying at the beginning of ME3.

Funny, thats pretty much the paragon decision that I see as having the largest negative consequences.  Say what you want about TIM and his evilness, but he needs the reapers defeated as much as you.  He won't be a hindrance to start ME3.  

The Cerberus threat is later, for now, they should be a solid ally.

I'm thinking that lacking the Collector Base makes the Alliance a weaker ally against the Reapers.  Cerberus is somehow deeply tied into the Alliance war machine, since they lead to the development of the Normandy in the first place.

[Sleepicub09]

sergio71785 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

Oh, wow, that's a great shot!  Guess the quarians are dumping onto Korlus.  Doesn't mean they're not there to pick through the trash, too.

Maybe they pick up garbage, sift through it for useful stuff, and then dump it back. 

is pieces of the ship chipping off?

[Collider]

sergio71785 wrote...

Tali is like the most famous Quarian in the galaxy.

You know how there's been like a million articles and documentaries in regards to 9-11? Within the ME universe, the Citadel getting attacked would be like a hundred times bigger news than that even. 

Since Shepard and his crew played such a major role (hell, Shepard is referred to as the Hero of the Battle of the Citadel) would be in all these news articles and documentaries and all that. Tali would be mentioned in all of these things.

Hell, I bet she has her own in-depth page in Space-Wikipedia.

I highly doubt this. She may be well known within the Quarians, but much of what happened on the Citadel is either simply not known, kept hidden, or denounced.

[cannedcream]

paperkut808 wrote...

So, I just read cannedcream's fanfics...both of them in fact, and I felt compelled to post. 

It has occured to me that while I have lurked this thread for a while, after reading those fictions, it was amazing the amount of pain my soul felt, and with that I have come to a realization, and I'm gonna use some Grunt.  I AM TALIMANCER! Not duck, talimancer lol. How could you make Tali hurt cannedcream?  WHY!?  Good stories, though!

Her's to keeping Tali Alive!

First of all; thank you for reading, paper. You are now officaly awesome.

Second: Welcome to the fold, brother.

Third: I only hurt because I care. The first story was me working out my guilt for getting Tali killed in my first playthough. The second story came to me after someone on here asked who they thought would try and hit on Tali if Shepard was killed. That got me thinking about what Tali would do if Shepard had really died after they became a couple. When I thought that she might just kill herself, I pictured her doing it in the most elegant way possible; thus the ending scene in 'Sensations'.

Due to demand as well as threats to my physical well-being, my next fic will be a happier one with a lighter tone.

Also, I don't want to be thought of as the guy who 'keeps writing depressing ****'. I would hate people to think that I'm just trying to play the same card over and over agian.

[Azint]

Collider wrote...

When I say a replacement NPC I mean in the same vein as Urdnot Wreav. Basically someone else to take the reigns, but is not recruitable in the least. Of course that would be assuming that Tali even really has a position to begin with. She could easily just help Shepard in convincing the Quarians, or whatever the subplot is, against the Reapers.

I have never killed Wrex in any of my games, so I really have no firsthand knowledge about what Reave does. But the fact that she changes her name and romancing her really strenghtens her chances of being recruitable in ME3. To downplay a character like that does seems off in many senses.

[Phil725]

cannedcream wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Tali didn't really seem like a heroine during her trial.  At least half of the crowd was just fine with declaring her a traitor with no evidence.  She also would have died a hero (if it was possible for her to be killed.)  It isn't like Shepard killed her randomly.

And as much as I like Tali, she really isn't hugely important to the quarians reclaiming the homeworld.  Shepard and Legion are the key people.  Legion is the portal into the geth viewpoint, and Shepard can converse with/boss around the admirals without Tali.  Tali didn't really add much during her trial.

It really is upsetting how much Tali gets used, lied to, manipulated, and looked down upon.
She's an incredibly sweet, kind, and optimistic girl who only wants what's best for everyone around her. She can't help the family and race she was born into, yet she's constantly being punished for it.

Gah! Why is it that Shepard is the only person that understands how amazing she is?

The fact that she doesn't let that crap change what a wonderful person she is is a testament to her character

Its sad that she has to go through that, but at least now she has Shepard as a constant to make things better

[SirEmilCrane]

antilles333 wrote...

BTW sergio. That ship doesn't look like a Quarian one, but the one's that pick up the resources from the Collector Base if you don't blow it up.

No

That is definitely a quarian ship, look at the screen shots of the migrant fleet, that is a quarian ship