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[MrBoomba]

Getorex wrote...

Who's the "murderer" here? Jack (a cartoon character) or ya'll who play through multiple times and (apparently) get a character killed off (and like it)?

I don't get the inclination. I played through 3 times trying to minimize casualties, team AND crew. Third time through (with both a loyal Zaeed and Katsumi) I did get through without a single character loss and that is the game result that will get imported into ME3 for me.

First time through (2nd play) with Zaeed I couldn't stand him and wouldn't have cared if he got killed off (I wasn't going to kill off workers to earn his loyalty) but the 3rd play through (2nd time with Zaeed) I got his loyalty without killing workers OR his prime target and from there I grudgingly came to like him (his inferno grenade is quite useful, particularly when you level it up high).

Now Katsumi...woo. I'd like to have her as a much more fleshed out (so to speak) character in ME3.

Be that as it may, I played through each time trying to NOT get anyone killed. After the second time through (and losing Mordin both times in spite of using him differently each time) I came to believe that he was a pre-programmed death but then was pleasantly surprised in the 3rd play to have him NOT take the fatal headshot (no one took it).

So what's with repeated playthroughs and not attempting to save EVERYONE?

I never tried getting people killed. I had thought my first 3 playthroughs It was programmed for at least 2 people to die. So I never bothered changing up the squads I made.

[smecky-kitteh]

i really curious as to what will happen with the charecters from ME2 cus you spend the entire game gathering the best swaud mates and you do all that hard work to gain there loyalty but they can all be dead by the end of the game. i really wish tali and garrus got special treatment and were harder to kill off then the other charecters or not killable at all but tali is probably the most easiest charecter to lose on the mission and a lot of people i know that didn't really care for tali had her unintentainely die. i think her and garrus will share the same fate in ME3 so if one gets the cameo treatment i would assume the other would as well and visaversa. im just really scared for how there going to aproach this in ME3.

[mikethor007]

smecky-kitteh wrote...

i really curious as to what will happen with the charecters from ME2 cus you spend the entire game gathering the best swaud mates and you do all that hard work to gain there loyalty but they can all be dead by the end of the game. i really wish tali and garrus got special treatment and were harder to kill off then the other charecters or not killable at all but tali is probably the most easiest charecter to lose on the mission and a lot of people i know that didn't really care for tali had her unintentainely die. i think her and garrus will share the same fate in ME3 so if one gets the cameo treatment i would assume the other would as well and visaversa. im just really scared for how there going to aproach this in ME3.

They will either please or displease a LOT of people.

[Captain Iglo]

mikethor007 wrote...

smecky-kitteh wrote...

i really curious as to what will happen with the charecters from ME2 cus you spend the entire game gathering the best swaud mates and you do all that hard work to gain there loyalty but they can all be dead by the end of the game. i really wish tali and garrus got special treatment and were harder to kill off then the other charecters or not killable at all but tali is probably the most easiest charecter to lose on the mission and a lot of people i know that didn't really care for tali had her unintentainely die. i think her and garrus will share the same fate in ME3 so if one gets the cameo treatment i would assume the other would as well and visaversa. im just really scared for how there going to aproach this in ME3.

They will either please or displease a LOT of people.

Both! no way around that!

[Someone With Mass]

If Tali gets the cameo treatment...

[mikethor007]

Captain Iglo wrote...

mikethor007 wrote...

They will either please or displease a LOT of people.

Both! no way around that!

Good point.

[mikethor007]

Cameo treatment for chars would imply that they intended to cull the numbers. To bring Tali and Garrus through 2 games and do that on the third...



They would be shooting themselves in the foot in my book.

[Someone With Mass]

I can see why characters like Thane and Samara won't be back in ME3, but Tali is a part of the Normandy crew. It would make no sense to have her removed just like that.

They better give me a very good reason that Tali isn't in ME3. Not that she had enough of fighting, because that would be so out of character.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 21 avril 2010 - 01:21 .

[Zilod]

smecky-kitteh wrote...

i really curious as to what will happen with the charecters from ME2 cus you spend the entire game gathering the best swaud mates and you do all that hard work to gain there loyalty but they can all be dead by the end of the game. i really wish tali and garrus got special treatment and were harder to kill off then the other charecters or not killable at all but tali is probably the most easiest charecter to lose on the mission and a lot of people i know that didn't really care for tali had her unintentainely die. i think her and garrus will share the same fate in ME3 so if one gets the cameo treatment i would assume the other would as well and visaversa. im just really scared for how there going to aproach this in ME3.

this actually bugs me too because i dont see how they can put the whole me2 squad into me3 if they could all die... it will be a total waste of resources to create a dozen of chars that chould be dead and need to be replaced by another dozen of new chars with their new stories

my hope is that they will keep the current squad, add 2-3 new chars (Liara, Ash/Keidan, someone new) and then who saved his comrades can use them if not... bad for him (but i doubt this will be the route)

another option will be to res them but really... it will be a bit ewwwww

just hope that bio will find a good solution and will not go with the usual "cameo route"

[Zilod]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I can see why characters like Thane and Samara won't be back in ME3, but Tali is a part of the Normandy crew. It would make no sense to have her removed just like that.

They better give me a very good reason that Tali isn't in ME3. Not that she had enough of fighting, because that would be so out of character.

Untill she becomes admiral Tali, something not impossible even if exiled judging from the dialogues of other admirals... the when you go to the flottila to fix the quarian/geth problems and get your mighty quarian fleet you meed admiral Tali that will give you an hug and then will start screaming about the shadow broker.... uops wrong char

[mikethor007]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I can see why characters like Thane and Samara won't be back in ME3, but Tali is a part of the Normandy crew. It would make no sense to have her removed just like that.

They better give me a very good reason that Tali isn't in ME3. Not that she had enough of fighting, because that would be so out of character.

For me there's NOT A SINGLE ONE good reason for her not to be in ME3 and be a squad mate.

Anything to that effect would just come out of the blue.

They killed shepard from the first to the second game... What comes now? Get him arrested, the team dissolved and everyone goes away to lay low again?

Modifié par mikethor007, 21 avril 2010 - 01:25 .

[Captain Iglo]

Zilod wrote...

smecky-kitteh wrote...

i really curious as to what will happen with the charecters from ME2 cus you spend the entire game gathering the best swaud mates and you do all that hard work to gain there loyalty but they can all be dead by the end of the game. i really wish tali and garrus got special treatment and were harder to kill off then the other charecters or not killable at all but tali is probably the most easiest charecter to lose on the mission and a lot of people i know that didn't really care for tali had her unintentainely die. i think her and garrus will share the same fate in ME3 so if one gets the cameo treatment i would assume the other would as well and visaversa. im just really scared for how there going to aproach this in ME3.

this actually bugs me too because i dont see how they can put the whole me2 squad into me3 if they could all die... it will be a total waste of resources to create a dozen of chars that chould be dead and need to be replaced by another dozen of new chars with their new stories

my hope is that they will keep the current squad, add 2-3 new chars (Liara, Ash/Keidan, someone new) and then who saved his comrades can use them if not... bad for him (but i doubt this will be the route)

another option will be to res them but really... it will be a bit ewwwww

just hope that bio will find a good solution and will not go with the usual "cameo route"

There simply wont be character specific missions of the me2 squadmates then problem is solved!

[smecky-kitteh]

Captain Iglo wrote...

mikethor007 wrote...

smecky-kitteh wrote...

i really curious as to what will happen with the charecters from ME2 cus you spend the entire game gathering the best swaud mates and you do all that hard work to gain there loyalty but they can all be dead by the end of the game. i really wish tali and garrus got special treatment and were harder to kill off then the other charecters or not killable at all but tali is probably the most easiest charecter to lose on the mission and a lot of people i know that didn't really care for tali had her unintentainely die. i think her and garrus will share the same fate in ME3 so if one gets the cameo treatment i would assume the other would as well and visaversa. im just really scared for how there going to aproach this in ME3.

They will either please or displease a LOT of people.

Both! no way around that!

the only people i can see being squad mates are tali and garrus. im curios to see how the other LI's will be treated. i can see jacob and miranda going off to do there own thing but everyone ells has nowhere to go. ive heard people say tali may be an admiral in ME3 but she was given leave until her mission with you is considered  done and plus her name is vas normandy.  (if you got her loyalty)

[Andaius20]

Thats what I hope too Zilod, they built up all the squaddies we need in the first two games I want to see all surviving members make a return to ME 3. I would also like to see more Full team action like we see in the final battle.

[mikethor007]

smecky-kitteh wrote...

the only people i can see being squad mates are tali and garrus. im curios to see how the other LI's will be treated. i can see jacob and miranda going off to do there own thing but everyone ells has nowhere to go. ive heard people say tali may be an admiral in ME3 but she was given leave until her mission with you is considered  done and plus her name is vas normandy.  (if you got her loyalty)

Making her an admiral gives me the shivers.... she wouldn't be with Shepard then. Bleh.

[mikethor007]

Andaius20 wrote...

Thats what I hope too Zilod, they built up all the squaddies we need in the first two games I want to see all surviving members make a return to ME 3. I would also like to see more Full team action like we see in the final battle.

Or perhaps they could go overboard and make the whole main plot of ME3 like that?

[Someone With Mass]

Tali doesn't even like politics. And I think she knows that she would make more of a difference if she was out there in the field with Shepard, and not sitting on the Rayya as an admiral and just bickering about what to do with the geth.

[Getorex]

Zilod, don't get TOO bothered.



True, I did save Ashley in ME, sending Kaiden off to do the suicide mission so it did match with the backstory of ME2 BUT I did NOT kill Wrex. Yet in ME2 I supposedly did. It is clear that the backstory/mortality of characters from one game to the next are fully arbitrary (though at this point given the seeming strong attachment a lot of players have for Tali and the Quarians they will have to give her life in ME3, at least initially, regardless of whether or not you lost her in ME2).



With ME3 I truly expect Tali to be there regardless but as for the rest...they could all see the "fate" that the original Nomandy crew saw (simply disappearing into their own game universe lives) and maybe have a few make a passing appearance.



In the end, I honestly don't understand someone playing through the game and leaving it at Tali (and others) dead as the end. I played through multiple times until I had ZERO casualties, particularly of the team. I would never have left it with Garrus, Tali, Miranda (in particular) dead. I would replay until I was certain they were impossible to save. Playing through and losing key characters is not a true "win", it is merely settling.

[Andaius20]

mikethor007 wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...

Thats what I hope too Zilod, they built up all the squaddies we need in the first two games I want to see all surviving members make a return to ME 3. I would also like to see more Full team action like we see in the final battle.

Or perhaps they could go overboard and make the whole main plot of ME3 like that?

That would kinda be cool. I also think it would be nice to have more than 2 squadmembers with you, perhaps 4-6 guys to work with per battle? It would really help with the leaving so many behind in the normal missions.

[mikethor007]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Tali doesn't even like politics. And I think she knows that she would make more of a difference if she was out there in the field with Shepard, and not sitting on the Rayya as an admiral and just bickering about what to do with the geth.

I can only see her as an Admiral in her old age, IF she outlasts Shepard.

[Andaius20]

Getorex wrote...

Zilod, don't get TOO bothered.

True, I did save Ashley in ME, sending Kaiden off to do the suicide mission so it did match with the backstory of ME2 BUT I did NOT kill Wrex. Yet in ME2 I supposedly did. It is clear that the backstory/mortality of characters from one game to the next are fully arbitrary (though at this point given the seeming strong attachment a lot of players have for Tali and the Quarians they will have to give her life in ME3, at least initially, regardless of whether or not you lost her in ME2).

With ME3 I truly expect Tali to be there regardless but as for the rest...they could all see the "fate" that the original Nomandy crew saw (simply disappearing into their own game universe lives) and maybe have a few make a passing appearance.

In the end, I honestly don't understand someone playing through the game and leaving it at Tali (and others) dead as the end. I played through multiple times until I had ZERO casualties, particularly of the team. I would never have left it with Garrus, Tali, Miranda (in particular) dead. I would replay until I was certain they were impossible to save. Playing through and losing key characters is not a true "win", it is merely settling.

Wrex is still alive in my game, he leading the Krogan on tuchanka

[mikethor007]

Andaius20 wrote...

Wrex is still alive in my game, he leading the Krogan on tuchanka

Freshly created chars in ME2 always end up with Wrex dead. I think.

[Godur]

mikethor007 wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...

Wrex is still alive in my game, he leading the Krogan on tuchanka

Freshly created chars in ME2 always end up with Wrex dead. I think.

they do, yes.
And that is why we import characters, default shepard is silly

Modifié par Godur, 21 avril 2010 - 01:38 .

[Andaius20]

mikethor007 wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...

Wrex is still alive in my game, he leading the Krogan on tuchanka

Freshly created chars in ME2 always end up with Wrex dead. I think.

Yeah, they have to set down a "canon" story if there is no data from ME 1....I thought he was saying that he did make an import wit hWrex still alive and in ME 2 Wrex was flagged as dead. To me Me 2 story is just full renegade playthrough in ME 1.

[Someone With Mass]

I want to see some consequences if you do not import your Shepard from the previous game. Make it harder in some situations.



Just creating a new Shepard feels so...cheap.



Like there's no work behind it, and if that kind of Shepard gets the same experience as a imported one in ME3, I'll be mad.