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[mikethor007]

Godur wrote...

they do, yes.
And that is why we import characters, default shepard is silly

That's an understatement.
Leaving the council to die, Wrex dead and lots of other ... mishaps.

Though, why not give an option to only let the Turian one die? *joke*

[Getorex]

MrBoomba: I never tried getting people killed. I had thought my first 3 playthroughs It was programmed for at least 2 people to die. So I never bothered changing up the squads I made.



I never chose anyone for the final mission (for duct work OR for my teams) that I didn't have loyalty of. That said, I lost Mordin twice (and he was the only squad mate to bite the dust). When I got the two DLCs (Zaeed and Katsumi) that seemed to do the trick for me. Katsumi can do the duct work AND hack the door and then no one gets a fatal head shot.



No one gets carried away by the bugs either (must be a loyalty-lacking thing?).



Maybe without the DLCs there IS at least ONE pre-programmed death (Mordin?) but with them there are definitely none. I didn't play through enough times to try different iterations of squad composition and duct work (sans DLCs) to see if there is a magic combination that will get everyone through unscathed in the final mission.

[Andaius20]

LOL



Well Like I said the "canon" ending is basically a full renegade ending in ME 1.

[Someone With Mass]

mikethor007 wrote...

Godur wrote...

they do, yes.
And that is why we import characters, default shepard is silly

That's an understatement.
Leaving the council to die, Wrex dead and lots of other ... mishaps.

Though, why not give an option to only let the Turian one die? *joke*

Ah, yes, the "Turian."

We found his survival overrated.

[Kikaimegami]

*peeks in*



*sees depressing as hell topic*



*leaves for a while*

[smecky-kitteh]

Getorex wrote...

Zilod, don't get TOO bothered.

True, I did save Ashley in ME, sending Kaiden off to do the suicide mission so it did match with the backstory of ME2 BUT I did NOT kill Wrex. Yet in ME2 I supposedly did. It is clear that the backstory/mortality of characters from one game to the next are fully arbitrary (though at this point given the seeming strong attachment a lot of players have for Tali and the Quarians they will have to give her life in ME3, at least initially, regardless of whether or not you lost her in ME2).

With ME3 I truly expect Tali to be there regardless but as for the rest...they could all see the "fate" that the original Nomandy crew saw (simply disappearing into their own game universe lives) and maybe have a few make a passing appearance.

In the end, I honestly don't understand someone playing through the game and leaving it at Tali (and others) dead as the end. I played through multiple times until I had ZERO casualties, particularly of the team. I would never have left it with Garrus, Tali, Miranda (in particular) dead. I would replay until I was certain they were impossible to save. Playing through and losing key characters is not a true "win", it is merely settling.

yes but some people like to play through the game once or twice, continuing with the mistakes they made from ME2. they feel as if there cheating the game if they go back to correct something or re-load once a charecter dies. i dont feel this way but this s the feedback i got from some other people that have played the game. some kill off charecters just because they enjoy it but i think thats rather childish and i little sedistic.

[Thundertactics]

I have no doubt that this has been posted before (still reading through the last 100 pages I missed while sleeping), but it's still pretty funny:

http://deidarati01.d...th-it-161459940

Modifié par Thundertactics, 21 avril 2010 - 01:59 .

[Andaius20]

Kikaimegami wrote...

*peeks in*

*sees depressing as hell topic*

*leaves for a while*

Come back!

[mikethor007]

Getorex wrote...

MrBoomba: I never tried getting people killed. I had thought my first 3 playthroughs It was programmed for at least 2 people to die. So I never bothered changing up the squads I made.

I never chose anyone for the final mission (for duct work OR for my teams) that I didn't have loyalty of. That said, I lost Mordin twice (and he was the only squad mate to bite the dust). When I got the two DLCs (Zaeed and Katsumi) that seemed to do the trick for me. Katsumi can do the duct work AND hack the door and then no one gets a fatal head shot.

No one gets carried away by the bugs either (must be a loyalty-lacking thing?).

Maybe without the DLCs there IS at least ONE pre-programmed death (Mordin?) but with them there are definitely none. I didn't play through enough times to try different iterations of squad composition and duct work (sans DLCs) to see if there is a magic combination that will get everyone through unscathed in the final mission.

That formula is explained in the wikia site. You can get through with no deaths, though the probability of that happening looks like it isn't 100%.

I got all upgrades in the tech lab, all of the ship ones, sent loyal legion in the tube, loyal miranda for leader both times, loyal Samara for biotic specialist (loyalty here is key for not having someone carried away by the bugs), loyal Mordin to escort people back and always took loyal Garrus and Tali with me.

[Godur]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I want to see some consequences if you do not import your Shepard from the previous game. Make it harder in some situations.

Just creating a new Shepard feels so...cheap.

Like there's no work behind it, and if that kind of Shepard gets the same experience as a imported one in ME3, I'll be mad.

I agree. If ME2 is to be any indication though, then a fresh shepard will likely be "penalized".
I can see the following being true for default shepard in ME3:

*collector base spared.
*Shepard friendly with TIM and cerberus.
*many casulties in the suicide mission
*sold legion to cerberus
*Antagonized by council.

Can't think of more at the moment.

[Zilod]

Getorex wrote...

Zilod, don't get TOO bothered.

True, I did save Ashley in ME, sending Kaiden off to do the suicide mission so it did match with the backstory of ME2 BUT I did NOT kill Wrex. Yet in ME2 I supposedly did. It is clear that the backstory/mortality of characters from one game to the next are fully arbitrary (though at this point given the seeming strong attachment a lot of players have for Tali and the Quarians they will have to give her life in ME3, at least initially, regardless of whether or not you lost her in ME2).

With ME3 I truly expect Tali to be there regardless but as for the rest...they could all see the "fate" that the original Nomandy crew saw (simply disappearing into their own game universe lives) and maybe have a few make a passing appearance.

In the end, I honestly don't understand someone playing through the game and leaving it at Tali (and others) dead as the end. I played through multiple times until I had ZERO casualties, particularly of the team. I would never have left it with Garrus, Tali, Miranda (in particular) dead. I would replay until I was certain they were impossible to save. Playing through and losing key characters is not a true "win", it is merely settling.

if you dont kill wrex in me1 he is leading his clan on tuchanka in me2, but is not a good parameter as he is just a cameo... if anything it can kinda confirm the idea...
can die -> cameo

and it seem that one of the reasons why Liara is a cameo in me2 is because Bio didnt want her to die and she will be back as squaddie in me3

[Getorex]

Well, I didn't know at the time that my ME1 character would be imported so I didn't have one to import (hard disk space issues at the time that is no longer extant). I may consider playing ME1 through one more time and importing the character to ME2 and then replaying that for the 4th and final time (unless I lose anyone, then I will play until they all make it).



Now that I am aware of the import thing, I am saving my various ME2 Shepards so I can pick the one I want in ME3.

[Getorex]

Speaking of characters I DO want in ME3 without doubt: Legion.



I LIKE that guy (those guys?).

[Someone With Mass]

mikethor007 wrote...


That formula is explained in the wikia site. You can get through with no deaths, though the probability of that happening looks like it isn't 100%.

I got all upgrades in the tech lab, all of the ship ones, sent loyal legion in the tube, loyal miranda for leader both times, loyal Samara for biotic specialist (loyalty here is key for not having someone carried away by the bugs), loyal Mordin to escort people back and always took loyal Garrus and Tali with me.

I sent Kasumi into the tube once. Worked like a charm. First time I could have Tali and Legion in my squad without anyone dying.

[Kikaimegami]

Getorex wrote...

Speaking of characters I DO want in ME3 without doubt: Legion.

I LIKE that guy (those guys?).

Amen, brother.

[mikethor007]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I sent Kasumi into the tube once. Worked like a charm. First time I could have Tali and Legion in my squad without anyone dying.

Makes sense. She's a master when it comes to door locks...


Disn't get the chance to do that in my 3rd playthrough beacause my main gaming PC fried its motherboard due to a power mishap at home.

Modifié par mikethor007, 21 avril 2010 - 01:54 .

[Someone With Mass]

Getorex wrote...

Speaking of characters I DO want in ME3 without doubt: Legion.

I LIKE that guy (those guys?).

Legion MUST be in ME3. BioWare moved him from a sidemission to the Reaper IFF, because they wanted him to be a part of the main story.

[Kikaimegami]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Speaking of characters I DO want in ME3 without doubt: Legion.

I LIKE that guy (those guys?).

Legion MUST be in ME3. BioWare moved him from a sidemission to the Reaper IFF, because they wanted him to be a part of the main story.

I just wish they'd moved him to some earlier mission.

[Thundertactics]

Godur wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I want to see some consequences if you do not import your Shepard from the previous game. Make it harder in some situations.

Just creating a new Shepard feels so...cheap.

Like there's no work behind it, and if that kind of Shepard gets the same experience as a imported one in ME3, I'll be mad.

I agree. If ME2 is to be any indication though, then a fresh shepard will likely be "penalized".
I can see the following being true for default shepard in ME3:

*collector base spared.
*Shepard friendly with TIM and cerberus.
*many casulties in the suicide mission
*sold legion to cerberus
*Antagonized by council.

Can't think of more at the moment.

I can't see how the collector base being spared is a penalty, to be honest, blowing it up is one of those "Moronic Paragon" decisions while keeping it is "Tactical Renegade".
Yes, I have several levels of Paragon, Neutral and Renegade, here they are in list form in case you were wondering:
-Moronic Paragon: Blowing up Collector Base, pissing Tali off (in ME1 by saying the Quarians deserved their fate, in ME2 by saying that she should just give up hope on getting Rannoch back), etc.
-Heroic/nice Paragon: Most other decisions, telling C-sec to back off from Lia, etc.
-Boring Neutral: Most decisions
-Thoughtful/nice Neutral: Accepting Tali, telling her you're willing to wait as long as it takes (rather than "Captain's orders")
-Logical Neutral: Focussing on Sovereign
-Tactical Renegade: Taking the easy way out, necessary evil, most decisions
-Evil, baby orphan kicking, Renegade: Telling Garrus to **** off, treating Tali like some filthy alien, giving the evidence from the Alarei

Also, I suspect that Tali will be alive by default, Bioware will need a reason to devote so much development time on her in ME3. (C'mon, they're obvious Talimancers, and they've put a hell of a lot of work in Tali's character, no way they're just gonna throw that away)

[Andaius20]

Well technically you can only do whats needed to open up the IFF and then left your misc crew get turned into Reaper smoothies while you do the bulk of the missions with Legion.

[Zilod]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Speaking of characters I DO want in ME3 without doubt: Legion.

I LIKE that guy (those guys?).

Legion MUST be in ME3. BioWare moved him from a sidemission to the Reaper IFF, because they wanted him to be a part of the main story.

yep, but that doesnt necessary mean that they moved him because he will be in me3, it could also be that they did want to give a different point of view of geths and their society so to not see them as the "ebil enemies" of me1 and preparing us for me3 where i suppose the quarian/geth war will be resolved, possibly to get the help of quarians and/or geths to fight the reapers

[Someone With Mass]

Kikaimegami wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Speaking of characters I DO want in ME3 without doubt: Legion.

I LIKE that guy (those guys?).

Legion MUST be in ME3. BioWare moved him from a sidemission to the Reaper IFF, because they wanted him to be a part of the main story.

I just wish they'd moved him to some earlier mission.

And Tali. Why couldn't I recruit her from the beginning again? Oh, because TIM said so. Ok.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 21 avril 2010 - 02:03 .

[smecky-kitteh]

yeah tali and legion had all that extra dialogue =/

[mikethor007]

smecky-kitteh wrote...

yeah tali and legion had all that extra dialogue =/

The scene where you recruit Tali in Haestrom with Legion in your party is funny as hell.

[Andaius20]

Well I'd say there's advantages and disadvantages to both keepign and blowing up the base.



If we keep the base who knows what Cerberus will do with the tech what if TIM turns into the next Collector general? What if the tech created from it it easily taken over by the Reapers. As Sovereign said your tech is based on there tech so you develop according to there wishes.



Blowing up the base prevents the morally suspect motives of TIM, and Cerberus plus it forces us to think of alternate ways to fight the Reapers that they wouldn't think of.