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[Someone With Mass]

1. Tali (Anything else is blasphemy)

2. Legion

3. Garrus

4. Kasumi

[Driving Ghost]

Godur wrote...
 (except Tali is always at the top)

Giggity.

1: Tali
2: Legion
3: Garrus
4: Joker

Modifié par Driving Ghost, 21 avril 2010 - 02:55 .

[Phil725]

SPARTANMST wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

SPARTANMST wrote...

completely off topic but is anyone else here getting REALLY BORED off all these hater groups, i mean what on earth are they trying to achieve, the fan groups are WAY bigger than thay are, they're never going to get anywhere and I personally think its a waste of time, it angers me when I see the words 'Tali'Zorah Hate group'... how can you hate TALI! Its so annoying

Ying and Yang, I guess.

still it makes no sense, why do they bother, i mean at least we have e purpose (trying to get Tali into ME3 as a LI and all that jazz...)

I question that being the ultimate purpose of this thread.  At the end of the day, Bioware isn't going to make Tali playable or not based on a few hundred people on their forums.  They have had their plan for her the whole time, and still do.  This thread is simply a place for people who like Tali to converse.

By that token, you could say the relative hate threads are a similar place for people with similar interests to converse.  The only difference is that their common ground is based on immature, irrational hate.  But hey, if 12 year olds want to hang out together, who am I to stop them?  I use the same defense of them as us, if it keeps them in one topic/area, no one should have a problem with it.

[Thundertactics]

Driving Ghost wrote...

Giggity.

1: Tali
2: Legion
3: Garrus
4: Joker

Excellent choice.

[smecky-kitteh]

SPARTANMST wrote...

completely off topic but is anyone else here getting REALLY BORED off all these hater groups, i mean what on earth are they trying to achieve, the fan groups are WAY bigger than thay are, they're never going to get anywhere and I personally think its a waste of time, it angers me when I see the words 'Tali'Zorah Hate group'... how can you hate TALI! Its so annoying

yes!!!!! im sick of all this tali hating! i sware she's like the fuucking lady go go of the bioware frorum. people love her and love to hate her. i think the ones that kill her off on there playthroughs and bost about it are very childish and i little sadistc. i dont see how you can hate a charecter so much especialy one that really likes you. i mean when i play the game i try to put myself in commander shepards perspective and i would never want to kill someone that liked me. thats just wrong. i mean so what if she needs your help in the game. they all ask for your help to gain there loyalty but i just think people hate her cus she's populer which is a really petty reasen.

Modifié par smecky-kitteh, 21 avril 2010 - 02:59 .

[Someone With Mass]

Phil725 wrote...


I question that being the ultimate purpose of this thread.  At the end of the day, Bioware isn't going to make Tali playable or not based on a few hundred people on their forums.  They have had their plan for her the whole time, and still do.  This thread is simply a place for people who like Tali to converse.

By that token, you could say the relative hate threads are a similar place for people with similar interests to converse.  The only difference is that their common ground is based on immature, irrational hate.  But hey, if 12 year olds want to hang out together, who am I to stop them?  I use the same defense of them as us, if it keeps them in one topic/area, no one should have a problem with it.

Well said, fellow Talimancer.

[mikethor007]

Thundertactics wrote...

vykvyper1 wrote...

been away for a while. here's a comic:
*snip*
right click and view image to see it full size

Dammit, posted that 2 pages back and didn't get a response, now everyone's posting lol-smileys?! D:

Note: A large part of this anger may come from attempting to do the Hammerhead missions on Insanity... HOW THE HELL AM I BEING KILLED BY WEE LITTLE GETH PULSE RIFLES?!

Did those missions without dying. Had to engage them from extreme range though.

Modifié par mikethor007, 21 avril 2010 - 02:59 .

[Goat_Shepard]

Phil725 wrote...

SPARTANMST wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

SPARTANMST wrote...

completely off topic but is anyone else here getting REALLY BORED off all these hater groups, i mean what on earth are they trying to achieve, the fan groups are WAY bigger than thay are, they're never going to get anywhere and I personally think its a waste of time, it angers me when I see the words 'Tali'Zorah Hate group'... how can you hate TALI! Its so annoying

Ying and Yang, I guess.

still it makes no sense, why do they bother, i mean at least we have e purpose (trying to get Tali into ME3 as a LI and all that jazz...)

I question that being the ultimate purpose of this thread.  At the end of the day, Bioware isn't going to make Tali playable or not based on a few hundred people on their forums.  They have had their plan for her the whole time, and still do.  This thread is simply a place for people who like Tali to converse.

By that token, you could say the relative hate threads are a similar place for people with similar interests to converse.  The only difference is that their common ground is based on immature, irrational hate.  But hey, if 12 year olds want to hang out together, who am I to stop them?  I use the same defense of them as us, if it keeps them in one topic/area, no one should have a problem with it.

I choose the best time to jump into this thread

YOU SPEAK TRUTH, MAN!!

I figure Bioware has their big plan, I sort of feel silly posting in this thread with the title the way it is because..well..it seems to be already achieved. Awaiting confirmation,  of course, but cmon, we know generally what's going on.

This thread serves many more purposes than the one specified in the title. How much have I learned? Have much is left to learn?

A lot, and a lot

[MrBoomba]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

SPARTANMST wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

SPARTANMST wrote...

completely off topic but is anyone else here getting REALLY BORED off all these hater groups, i mean what on earth are they trying to achieve, the fan groups are WAY bigger than thay are, they're never going to get anywhere and I personally think its a waste of time, it angers me when I see the words 'Tali'Zorah Hate group'... how can you hate TALI! Its so annoying

Ying and Yang, I guess.

still it makes no sense, why do they bother, i mean at least we have e purpose (trying to get Tali into ME3 as a LI and all that jazz...)

I question that being the ultimate purpose of this thread.  At the end of the day, Bioware isn't going to make Tali playable or not based on a few hundred people on their forums.  They have had their plan for her the whole time, and still do.  This thread is simply a place for people who like Tali to converse.

By that token, you could say the relative hate threads are a similar place for people with similar interests to converse.  The only difference is that their common ground is based on immature, irrational hate.  But hey, if 12 year olds want to hang out together, who am I to stop them?  I use the same defense of them as us, if it keeps them in one topic/area, no one should have a problem with it.

I choose the best time to jump into this thread

YOU SPEAK TRUTH, MAN!!

I figure Bioware has their big plan, I sort of feel silly posting in this thread with the title the way it is because..well..it seems to be already achieved. Awaiting confirmation,  of course, but cmon, we know generally what's going on.

This thread serves many more purposes than the one specified in the title. How much have I learned? Have much is left to learn?

A lot, and a lot

I personally am in constant fear of Tali not being a LI or squad mate in ME3 for the fact she can die in ME2. Every time I think "It would be shooting themsevles in the foot" I just think of how she can die in ME2 and all my fear comes rushing back... Which is why I keep in this thread, I do hope they dont, but damnit most games that have a character able to die in a game normally dont come back as a recruitable in the next game

[Someone With Mass]

I'm usually here for the pretty pictures and interesting topics.

[Driving Ghost]

I lurk here because Tali is awesome.



More active on chat thou.

[mikethor007]

MrBoomba wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...
I choose the best time to jump into this thread

YOU SPEAK TRUTH, MAN!!

I figure Bioware has their big plan, I sort of feel silly posting in this thread with the title the way it is because..well..it seems to be already achieved. Awaiting confirmation,  of course, but cmon, we know generally what's going on.

This thread serves many more purposes than the one specified in the title. How much have I learned? Have much is left to learn?

A lot, and a lot

I personally am in constant fear of Tali not being a LI or squad mate in ME3 for the fact she can die in ME2. Every time I think "It would be shooting themsevles in the foot" I just think of how she can die in ME2 and all my fear comes rushing back... Which is why I keep in this thread, I do hope they dont, but damnit most games that have a character able to die in a game normally dont come back as a recruitable in the next game

They do have their plan and all, but sometimes certain constraints get in the way and things change.

Sometimes it's the budget
Sometimes the script writer simply can't fit it in
Sometimes the art department doesn't have enough resources to do it all.
Sometimes the game publisher gets in the way.
Yadda yadda yadda etc.

[valttu]

Whats up?

[Phil725]

MrBoomba wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

*snip*

I choose the best time to jump into this thread

YOU SPEAK TRUTH, MAN!!

I figure Bioware has their big plan, I sort of feel silly posting in this thread with the title the way it is because..well..it seems to be already achieved. Awaiting confirmation,  of course, but cmon, we know generally what's going on.

This thread serves many more purposes than the one specified in the title. How much have I learned? Have much is left to learn?

A lot, and a lot

I personally am in constant fear of Tali not being a LI or squad mate in ME3 for the fact she can die in ME2. Every time I think "It would be shooting themsevles in the foot" I just think of how she can die in ME2 and all my fear comes rushing back... Which is why I keep in this thread, I do hope they dont, but damnit most games that have a character able to die in a game normally dont come back as a recruitable in the next game

The thing is that there are just so many reasons for them to bring Tali (and all of the characters,) back, and basically none to not.  Even if they don't make her a squad mate, they still have to write her into the story, not on the team, in a convincing way.  Now you're writing a new character to replace her, and a new role (that is almost impossible to make believable, I've tried,) for Tali.  That's extra work than just removing her impact if she died, and on top of that, you lose a whole new group of fans for every character you don't bring back.  They also aren't going to have time to recruit and develop an entire new team if they want to focus on plot at all.  ME2 was made specifically so ME3 didn't need to focus on characters.

The problem with them being able to die can be resolved by minimizing their impact from a plot stand point.  If Tali isn't required to defeat the reapers, but having her there with me makes it 100X better, I'm just fine with that, and I think that's the only logical conclusion.

My fear with the third game is that they don't put much effort into the romance arc, and minimize focus on the characters in general, which is the only part I really care about.  I don't doubt them actually being on the squad, they're just waiting to drum up interest for ME3.

Modifié par Phil725, 21 avril 2010 - 03:09 .

[Someone With Mass]

mikethor007 wrote...


They do have their plan and all, but sometimes certain constraints get in the way and things change.

Sometimes it's the budget
Sometimes the script writer simply can't fit it in
Sometimes the art department doesn't have enough resources to do it all.
Sometimes the game publisher gets in the way.
Yadda yadda yadda etc.

If BioWare have problems with their budget, I call BS.

[Sky Shadowing]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Phil725 wrote...


I question that being the ultimate purpose of this thread.  At the end of the day, Bioware isn't going to make Tali playable or not based on a few hundred people on their forums.  They have had their plan for her the whole time, and still do.  This thread is simply a place for people who like Tali to converse.

By that token, you could say the relative hate threads are a similar place for people with similar interests to converse.  The only difference is that their common ground is based on immature, irrational hate.  But hey, if 12 year olds want to hang out together, who am I to stop them?  I use the same defense of them as us, if it keeps them in one topic/area, no one should have a problem with it.

Well said, fellow Talimancer.

I'd like to point out that Bioware did make Tali a love interest because of an outcry of popular support for it.

So they obviously listen.

That said, I was thinkning about the whole situation in my poly sci class this morning, and I realized that Bioware have actually set Tali, and several other characters, up to return. Tali's ship name is "vas Normandy". She's potentially exiled. If she is, she literally has nowhere else to go, no friends, no family. Quarians are looked down at by the Citadel, and she could make it on Omega, but that's not the kind of place she'd go. So where else but with Shepard?

In the end, the evidence to the team returning is actually in the game itself. Nobody has conflicting loyalties. Tali's loyalty quite clearly lies with Shepard. Miranda actually cuts ties with Cerberus, Shepard is Garrus' only friend. Thane wants to make the world a better place (and could die by ME3), Jack has no other loyalties. Shepard is Grunt's Battlemaster. Jacob... nobody cares about, so he might be gone.

Samara and Thane are the ones with the most logistical reasons for leaving. Kasumi and Zaeed are DLC, so not everybody has them, so they're probably gone.

[mikethor007]

Someone With Mass wrote...

mikethor007 wrote...


They do have their plan and all, but sometimes certain constraints get in the way and things change.

Sometimes it's the budget
Sometimes the script writer simply can't fit it in
Sometimes the art department doesn't have enough resources to do it all.
Sometimes the game publisher gets in the way.
Yadda yadda yadda etc.

If BioWare have problems with their budget, I call BS.

Was speaking about it in a general way. I don't believe BW would have THAT particular problem.

[Goat_Shepard]

MrBoomba wrote...

I personally am in constant fear of Tali not being a LI or squad mate in ME3 for the fact she can die in ME2. Every time I think "It would be shooting themsevles in the foot" I just think of how she can die in ME2 and all my fear comes rushing back... Which is why I keep in this thread, I do hope they dont, but damnit most games that have a character able to die in a game normally dont come back as a recruitable in the next game

True. I guess we're gauranteed a spot for Tali in ME3...but we need to know the extent of her appearance, and the bigger this thread grows, maybe her role increases. That's at least the mindset here on this thread. It's still silly, because we should know that every squadmember can die and therefor it can be assumed that simply all the squaddies will have less dialogue/less influence.

Tali in ME2 will be considered the Golden Age of Talimance, since I suspect there won't be AS MUCH epicness for Tali in ME3 as in ME2, but compared to the other squaddies, I think she'll come out looking pretty good.

And the dramatic ending might actually be better than ME2's ending

[smecky-kitteh]

i still think its absolutely horrible that tali and garrus can die in a number of horrible ways =''(

[Someone With Mass]

Let's not forget that if it wasn't for Tali, Shepard wouldn't be a Spectre in the first place.



And as we've said before, Tali was a romance in ME2 simply because the fans wanted it.

I don't think that BioWare is going to start ignore their fans now.

[MadCat221]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

MrBoomba wrote...

I personally am in constant fear of Tali not being a LI or squad mate in ME3 for the fact she can die in ME2. Every time I think "It would be shooting themsevles in the foot" I just think of how she can die in ME2 and all my fear comes rushing back... Which is why I keep in this thread, I do hope they dont, but damnit most games that have a character able to die in a game normally dont come back as a recruitable in the next game

True. I guess we're gauranteed a spot for Tali in ME3...but we need to know the extent of her appearance, and the bigger this thread grows, maybe her role increases. That's at least the mindset here on this thread. It's still silly, because we should know that every squadmember can die and therefor it can be assumed that simply all the squaddies will have less dialogue/less influence.

Tali in ME2 will be considered the Golden Age of Talimance, since I suspect there won't be AS MUCH epicness for Tali in ME3 as in ME2, but compared to the other squaddies, I think she'll come out looking pretty good.

And the dramatic ending might actually be better than ME2's ending

I'm predicting all the chars will have "replacement" chars if they died, ones that you can opt for in place of current chars as well if they survived.  Say... Veetor replaces Tali if she died, or if you opt for Veetor instead, or something.  If Samara/Morinth died, you can get that one Asari chick that was on Feros. 

If those chars are dead too, well then, you're paying the price for your Renegadeness.  What, you didn't think there'd be repercussions?  Typical renegade...  <_<

Modifié par MadCat221, 21 avril 2010 - 03:14 .

[mikethor007]

Sky Shadowing wrote...

*snip*

Samara and Thane are the ones with the most logistical reasons for leaving. Kasumi and Zaeed are DLC, so not everybody has them, so they're probably gone.

Regarding Thane, that's a very logical assumption. Though if ME3 doesn't start RIGHT after ME2 or some 2 months after it, we could actually start ME3 with Thane having died offscreen, or in a book or comic book.

[Phil725]

Sky Shadowing wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
*snip*

Well said, fellow Talimancer.

I'd like to point out that Bioware did make Tali a love interest because of an outcry of popular support for it.

So they obviously listen.

That said, I was thinkning about the whole situation in my poly sci class this morning, and I realized that Bioware have actually set Tali, and several other characters, up to return. Tali's ship name is "vas Normandy". She's potentially exiled. If she is, she literally has nowhere else to go, no friends, no family. Quarians are looked down at by the Citadel, and she could make it on Omega, but that's not the kind of place she'd go. So where else but with Shepard?

In the end, the evidence to the team returning is actually in the game itself. Nobody has conflicting loyalties. Tali's loyalty quite clearly lies with Shepard. Miranda actually cuts ties with Cerberus, Shepard is Garrus' only friend. Thane wants to make the world a better place (and could die by ME3), Jack has no other loyalties. Shepard is Grunt's Battlemaster. Jacob... nobody cares about, so he might be gone.

Samara and Thane are the ones with the most logistical reasons for leaving. Kasumi and Zaeed are DLC, so not everybody has them, so they're probably gone.

I've heard that thing about Bioware making her an LI because of fan support, and frankly, I don't buy it.  In the end, Tali just doesn't fit in with the ME1 romance arc.  The ME1 romance arc is 3 conversations and a sex scene.  Tali can't introduce the geth and the quarians, develop a relationship with Shep, and find the time to research how to have sex before Ilos.  Not only does it not fit her character, it just doesn't fit from a game perspective.

Skip ahead to ME2, with the basis for a relationship being so obvious, was there any chance that they would skip the opportunity to add the romance?  I just imagine a writer looking at the romance after they were done, and thinking "jackpot. B)"  They wouldn't have kept from adding it if half as many people liked her.  The Tali romance arc goes from unbelievable and out of place to amazing and completely believable.  It would have been impossible to match the emotional impact elsewhere, and Bioware knew it.

I agree with the rest, although I think Thane will be back, simply because I don't think much time will pass, and he'll still be ok.

[Sky Shadowing]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

MrBoomba wrote...

I personally am in constant fear of Tali not being a LI or squad mate in ME3 for the fact she can die in ME2. Every time I think "It would be shooting themsevles in the foot" I just think of how she can die in ME2 and all my fear comes rushing back... Which is why I keep in this thread, I do hope they dont, but damnit most games that have a character able to die in a game normally dont come back as a recruitable in the next game

True. I guess we're gauranteed a spot for Tali in ME3...but we need to know the extent of her appearance, and the bigger this thread grows, maybe her role increases. That's at least the mindset here on this thread. It's still silly, because we should know that every squadmember can die and therefor it can be assumed that simply all the squaddies will have less dialogue/less influence.

Tali in ME2 will be considered the Golden Age of Talimance, since I suspect there won't be AS MUCH epicness for Tali in ME3 as in ME2, but compared to the other squaddies, I think she'll come out looking pretty good.

And the dramatic ending might actually be better than ME2's ending

Personally, I buy into the theory that the love interest will play a major role in ME3 - hence why your ME1 LI, if you had one, is guaranteed to survive. They'll want to be with you.

The only question is, will they do it right? Bioware hasn't disappointed yet, so I'm nervously optimistic.

[Phil725]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Let's not forget that if it wasn't for Tali, Shepard wouldn't be a Spectre in the first place.

And as we've said before, Tali was a romance in ME2 simply because the fans wanted it.
I don't think that BioWare is going to start ignore their fans now.

I don't really like the who has some responsibility in saving the world argument.  Any argument that ends with Powell being a galactic hero needs some tweaking