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[NuclearBuddha]

sergio71785 wrote...
What? That doesn't make any sense. Millions of people saw the attack. Shepard himself is famous as hell--everyone you bump into on the Citadel is all "omg you're Shepard!"

Hell, a store on the Citadel sells a model of Sovereign.

No, a model of a "geth dreadnaught."  LOL.

[Azint]

sergio71785 wrote...

Hell, a store on the Citadel sells a model of Sovereign.

I was about to state how silly it was for them to do that, but then I remembered my vacation at Hawaii. The Pearl Harbor memorial sold Japanese kamikaze plane models.

[Goat_Shepard]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
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Invoking metagaming knowledge though, would Bioware really make it impossible to convince the admirals without Tali?  We would most likely just get a persuasion check or something. 

Shepard should have enough weight at this point to convince the admirals of whatever.  They may be outsiders, but they are very familiar to the quarians for outsiders.  If they could provide a way for the quarians to reclaim their homeworld, I can't see them denying it because Shep isn't a quarian.

I agree that Tali would make the process go smoother, but I can't see its success hanging on whether she's there or not.

I think you should be able to do it either way, but if you want to get the full emotional impact, Tali would have to be there. If she's alive, she can express her gratitude for you helping get her world back, if you're in a relationship with her, maybe you can offer to build a house on her homeworld for both of you. If she's dead, you miss out on all of that. Similar to how you miss out on certain things by never activating Legion, you never discover why he has your armor, you never see him fight with Tali, and you can't take him to the Flotilla. Missed Emotional impact.

Agreed.  If ME2 made one thing clear, it was that major character decisions change the emotional impact and general awesomeness of the game.  Not the actual plot line itself.  Reclaiming the homeworld without Tali is an emotionless errand.  With her, its

Which is why I totally think most, if not all, team mates from 2 will return in 3. In 2, despite it being all about the squadmates, you never actually NEED any particular one for any other mission. You don't need Legion to recruit Tali, but it changes things if you bring him. Going with that, Bioware has set them selves up well for the next game.

Sooo...all our favorite characters will be there, no doubt. Those who don't will have...well, you have to have at least 2 squaddies alive at the end of ME2, right? Add Ashleykaiden and Liara. That's it? 4 people? I could do that

[NuclearBuddha]

FatherNestor wrote...

3.0 finally closed? Oh well...

Guess it's time for Face Bump?

I put it in my Pg1 post.

[Azint]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

Azint wrote...

DrathanGervaise wrote...

I prefer to think of myself as a seamless mix of both.

Coal and diamond?
Stable and insane?
Or 100% mother****ing AMERICA!

That works.

I thought you'd like that.

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...
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You are correct, they wouldn't. I really meant in the context of the story. You may likely be able to sway the admirals regardless, but Tali may "help" by simply speaking in favor, or pass negating the requirements of a persuasion check.

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I can completely see them, in terms of story, maybe not metagame, rejecting Shepard saying that he helped Legion defeat the heretic geth. That is just simply something hard to swallow for a race who has only known Geth aggression. Not to mention they will suspect that Legion is lying. But if Tali, a quarian and somewhat of a heroine, were to vouch for Shepard, some of the Admirals may come to consider Shepard's words more.

I guess thats possible as well.  We really don't know how open minded the admirals are.  While I think its likely that they would be inclined to dismiss Legion at first, its their homeworld at stake.  I would think they could at least look into it a little. 

They've never really opened diplomatic talks with the geth I believe.  If Shep/Legion could make a convincing enough case, I could see them believing them.  The important thing is that the admirals really want Shep to be right in this situation.  It isn't like he's trying to convince them to give up the fight and colonize somewhere else.  He has a way back to their homeworld.

Getting back to Tali's involvement though, if they are close enough to believing it that her word puts them over the top, doesn't that mean that they were pretty close to believing them in the first place?  Tali's word is nice, but its hardly a be all, end all endorsement.  Without Tali, maybe you just need to prove your loyalty a little more.

[chool77]

[SchematicSTi]

Support for Tali!

[Goat_Shepard]

cannedcream wrote...

paperkut808 wrote...

GAAAAH The man who orchestrated Tali's demise is speaking to me!

Seriously though, excellent stories, and thats what got me to realize I was a talimancer.  Just those stories provoked a strong reaction in me.

And thanks for the awesome achievement I just got lol.  Totally popped up on my HUD in RL lol

ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED
cannedcream thinks you're awesome.

How can a FF convince someone they're a Talimancer? I was convinced when we first....uh..heh. Man it was this whole...crrrrrazy thing....

[chool77]

[gkillerrin]

Antilles Im ready

[NuclearBuddha]

While we're on the subject of Flotilla Admiralty:

Anyone else notice that while Tali doesn't mind if you tell Han'Gerrel about her father's work (paragon option), she chooses NOT to tell him if you take the neutral option. And he's from her (former) ship.



No secrets between shipmates, huh?

[Sleepicub09]

 going to bed see the americans at the auction tommorow sorry to all that can't participate KEEP TALI ALIVE
keelah se'lai

[Azint]

Phil725 wrote...

Getting back to Tali's involvement though, if they are close enough to believing it that her word puts them over the top, doesn't that mean that they were pretty close to believing them in the first place?  Tali's word is nice, but its hardly a be all, end all endorsement.  Without Tali, maybe you just need to prove your loyalty a little more.

You also need to take into consideration that she may be nominated for a role in the Admiralty Board. If she is elected, Shepard would have a direct contact with the Migrant Fleet, is a similar vein to how Wrex is the Overlord of Tuchanka.

[paperkut808]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

paperkut808 wrote...

GAAAAH The man who orchestrated Tali's demise is speaking to me!

Seriously though, excellent stories, and thats what got me to realize I was a talimancer.  Just those stories provoked a strong reaction in me.

And thanks for the awesome achievement I just got lol.  Totally popped up on my HUD in RL lol

ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED
cannedcream thinks you're awesome.

How can a FF convince someone they're a Talimancer? I was convinced when we first....uh..heh. Man it was this whole...crrrrrazy thing....

I was in denial goat.  This was the last nail in the coffin, as it were.  I have accepted it now lol

[RiptideX1090]

chool77 wrote...

Holy ****... the rooms spinning...

[gkillerrin]

Ant, Im ready...

[Azint]

Good night to you leaving.

[Phil725]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
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Which is why I totally think most, if not all, team mates from 2 will return in 3. In 2, despite it being all about the squadmates, you never actually NEED any particular one for any other mission. You don't need Legion to recruit Tali, but it changes things if you bring him. Going with that, Bioware has set them selves up well for the next game.

Sooo...all our favorite characters will be there, no doubt. Those who don't will have...well, you have to have at least 2 squaddies alive at the end of ME2, right? Add Ashleykaiden and Liara. That's it? 4 people? I could do that

Wrex may come back as well.  He seems pretty entrenchenched in Urdnot, but if he gets betrayed, he could come back to you.  5 squadmates isn't much, but its enough to play a nice dry, boring game.

But I definitely agree that the ME2 team will be back.  97% sure is my current estimate