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Azint wrote...

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Would africans still be black after 300 years?  It is genetic so yes, they would be.  Genes don't change very much in as little as 300 years.  If at all.

That's under the assumption that they have dark-skin to begin with. Though applying biological rules of something from Earth may not necesarrily apply to aliens.


Yep.

It's all just speculation.

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 Also, while on the subject of Tali's popularity. In a recent--and extremely epic--poll, Tali beat ME's main character:

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I imagine she would have very pale skin, a dark skintone from a tinted sun really does not apply to three centuries of living aboard a sterile environment with artificial lighting.


I personally don't think they're a dark color (if that was intended, you'd notice through their mask), but your reasoning isn't correct.

A black person, for example, is black because their genes tell them to produce more skin pigment. They're not black as a result of outside stimuli; it doesn't matter if they're exposed to sun or not.

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When you're playing a renegade Shepard in ME1 and refuse to give Tali that data, does she refuse to talk to you the entire game? Also, is there a "renegade path" to Tali's romance, like there is with Miranda and Jack?

She will be mad at you in ME1, I dont think it has any impact though in ME2, besides the missed dialog option.

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Indeed?

Is it any good?

I'm having fun, though it is no ME2. But still, a break was necesarry.


Which is why I'm thankful I have my artwork.

Keeps the mind sharp and the heart humble. And it's a good distraction when suffering battle fatigue.

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instantdeath999 wrote...

When you're playing a renegade Shepard in ME1 and refuse to give Tali that data, does she refuse to talk to you the entire game? Also, is there a "renegade path" to Tali's romance, like there is with Miranda and Jack?


How you treat Tali (or any character really,) in ME1 has no effect in ME2.  If you don't give her the data (are a complete jerk, or just don't do the mission,) all you miss is one line of dialogue on Freedom's Progress.  Nothing else changes.

No alternate paths to her romance either.  You either full out love her, or go for someone else :wub:

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Oh yeah, where can I find it? 

Just go look a few pages back, it's still there, rotting.

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sergio71785 wrote...

 Also, while on the subject of Tali's popularity. In a recent--and extremely epic--poll, Tali beat ME's main character:

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You know?

I'm not even surprised any more...

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padaE wrote...

Guys, would you explian to me how can Tali have such enormous thread(s)? I was trying to figure out but I can't. I came up with a couple of thing, like, she doesn't have a face, what helps people thinking her as they like. Also, she needs Shepard more than anyone, you really feel like her protector, that would help too. Maybe her voice? I don't know, if I knew I wouldn't be asking.
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Anyway,I'm sure you get a lot of trolling around here but I'm just asking. Let's try to keep it civil as long as possible.

Everyone will have a different explanation to why they like a certain character. I'm not so sure myself, I normally despise the aodrable sassy girl, but for some reason, I really like Tali.

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RiptideX1090 wrote...

Azint wrote...

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Indeed?

Is it any good?

I'm having fun, though it is no ME2. But still, a break was necesarry.


Which is why I'm thankful I have my artwork.

Keeps the mind sharp and the heart humble. And it's a good distraction when suffering battle fatigue.

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Phil725 wrote...

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When you're playing a renegade Shepard in ME1 and refuse to give Tali that data, does she refuse to talk to you the entire game? Also, is there a "renegade path" to Tali's romance, like there is with Miranda and Jack?


How you treat Tali (or any character really,) in ME1 has no effect in ME2.  If you don't give her the data (are a complete jerk, or just don't do the mission,) all you miss is one line of dialogue on Freedom's Progress.  Nothing else changes.

No alternate paths to her romance either.  You either full out love her, or go for someone else :wub:


I'm not really into the romances (I'm the guy you'll see vomiting in the theatre of a really sappy romance movie), but I still like to do them on my playthroughs occasionally.  I know with Jack it can be one time thing (renegade) or more involved, and with Miranda you can basically accuse her of being jealous, but wasn't sure with Tali.  I plan to try Tali's out on my current run through. 

I wonder if doing her romance will cause her any serious health problems in ME3.  I doubt that it will drastically change anything that big, but it could be a very good plot point.

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Azint wrote...

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Would africans still be black after 300 years?  It is genetic so yes, they would be.  Genes don't change very much in as little as 300 years.  If at all.

That's under the assumption that they have dark-skin to begin with. Though applying biological rules of something from Earth may not necesarrily apply to aliens.


That is true, especially since quarians have a totally different DNA structure than ours that is based on totally different amino acids.  But assuming Earth genetics can be applied to quarians, I would need to know more about the Quarian homeworld's Star.  

Tali said that it was more orange than Sol and that her planet was more arid than Earth.  This doesn't tell me the intensity of the star unless it can be assumed that because of the light it gives off it is hotter or colder than a star that gives off a bright yellow light (like Sol).  If it can be assumed that an orange star is weaker than a yellow star then it is probable that the quarians would be light skinned.  This is still on the basic assumption that human genetics can be applied to the quarians. 

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Just took out Matriarch Benezia. Next up, Feros.

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padaE wrote...

Guys, would you explian to me how can Tali have such enormous thread(s)? I was trying to figure out but I can't. I came up with a couple of thing, like, she doesn't have a face, what helps people thinking her as they like. Also, she needs Shepard more than anyone, you really feel like her protector, that would help too. Maybe her voice? I don't know, if I knew I wouldn't be asking.
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Anyway,I'm sure you get a lot of trolling around here but I'm just asking. Let's try to keep it civil as long as possible.


There's really no simple way of answering this. It's really not any one reason, but a multitude of reasons.

I suppose if I were to summarize it, a few of the main reasons would be:
  • She's an interesting character, and her background is interesting. Quarians are one of the more fascinating races in the game, in my (and I think most people's) opinion.
  • She's a good person. She's very empathetic and kind to those who deserve it. People just plain like these personality traits.
  • She's got a terrific voice actor
  • She's hot. Yeah, you can't see her face, but she's got an awesome body.

That's just a few things. The different reasons people like her have been brought up countless times and discussed in detail. Many people like her for many different reasons. You could literally write a massive paper on why she's so well liked.

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Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Indeed?

Is it any good?

I'm having fun, though it is no ME2. But still, a break was necesarry.


Which is why I'm thankful I have my artwork.

Keeps the mind sharp and the heart humble. And it's a good distraction when suffering battle fatigue.

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Do you post your artwork on the Internet by any chance?

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Deadeas wrote...

Just took out Matriarch Benezia. Next up, Feros.


Not Tali related, but I've always liked to take her out last (before Virmire).

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Discussions, the usual.

Wait, that's not usual...

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padaE wrote...

Guys, would you explian to me how can Tali have such enormous thread(s)? I was trying to figure out but I can't. I came up with a couple of thing, like, she doesn't have a face, what helps people thinking her as they like. Also, she needs Shepard more than anyone, you really feel like her protector, that would help too. Maybe her voice? I don't know, if I knew I wouldn't be asking.
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Anyway,I'm sure you get a lot of trolling around here but I'm just asking. Let's try to keep it civil as long as possible.


People basically love everything about her personality.  Her appearance is subtly attractive as well.  It isn't in your face, but you definitely notice her figure.  Her face doesn't seem to be a huge factor, some people imagine what they want, but most people seem to just leave it blank for now.  Her voice is great, and Liz Sroka does some great VA work that makes a lot of people like her.

Her personality is the main reason though. 

She's nice, yet strong when she needs to be.
She's faced an incredible amount of crap in her life, yet comes out as a positive and open minded person.
She's very loyal (Ash/Liara fail this one,) willing to trust Cerberus, and walk through hell for you.
You feel like the relationship is more advanced than the other ME2 characters since it started in ME1.
Her awkward nervousness around Shep is adorable.
She's willing to risk death to be close to Shep.  That's how much she cares about him.
These are the main ones for me, I'm sure I missed things others like.

More than all, there's really nothing that pushes her away from you.  Ash and Liara's treatment of Shep is a turn off.  Jack is Jack, and Miranda's b*itchiness is a huge turnoff for some.  Tali is just Tali.  The shy true friend that is with you through thick and thin.

The relationship just happens.  Two good friends that develop feelings for each other time.:wub:

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instantdeath999 wrote...

Deadeas wrote...

Just took out Matriarch Benezia. Next up, Feros.


Not Tali related, but I've always liked to take her out last (before Virmire).


Usually I go in this order:
Save Liara
Noveria
Feros
Virmire

This playthrough I'm going:
Noveria
Feros
Virmire
Save Liara

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GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Azint wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Would africans still be black after 300 years?  It is genetic so yes, they would be.  Genes don't change very much in as little as 300 years.  If at all.

That's under the assumption that they have dark-skin to begin with. Though applying biological rules of something from Earth may not necesarrily apply to aliens.


That is true, especially since quarians have a totally different DNA structure than ours that is based on totally different amino acids.  But assuming Earth genetics can be applied to quarians, I would need to know more about the Quarian homeworld's Star.  

Tali said that it was more orange than Sol and that her planet was more arid than Earth.  This doesn't tell me the intensity of the star unless it can be assumed that because of the light it gives off it is hotter or colder than a star that gives off a bright yellow light (like Sol).  If it can be assumed that an orange star is weaker than a yellow star then it is probable that the quarians would be light skinned.  This is still on the basic assumption that human genetics can be applied to the quarians. 

It's still just speculation. And it's unlikely that Rannoch has only one consistent environment, there must be a multitude of different bioms.

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Yes it all fits. It would be enough to understand why she had a big or even the biggest support group.

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However, I can't see it explaining what we have here, this huge difference between Tali threads and other.

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Well, I guess it's to late to understand that.

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Azint wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Azint wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Would africans still be black after 300 years?  It is genetic so yes, they would be.  Genes don't change very much in as little as 300 years.  If at all.

That's under the assumption that they have dark-skin to begin with. Though applying biological rules of something from Earth may not necesarrily apply to aliens.


That is true, especially since quarians have a totally different DNA structure than ours that is based on totally different amino acids.  But assuming Earth genetics can be applied to quarians, I would need to know more about the Quarian homeworld's Star.  

Tali said that it was more orange than Sol and that her planet was more arid than Earth.  This doesn't tell me the intensity of the star unless it can be assumed that because of the light it gives off it is hotter or colder than a star that gives off a bright yellow light (like Sol).  If it can be assumed that an orange star is weaker than a yellow star then it is probable that the quarians would be light skinned.  This is still on the basic assumption that human genetics can be applied to the quarians. 

It's still just speculation. And it's unlikely that Rannoch has only one consistent environment, there must be a multitude of different bioms.


Speculation is fun.

But here's hoping we get an answer in 3.

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instantdeath999 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

instantdeath999 wrote...

When you're playing a renegade Shepard in ME1 and refuse to give Tali that data, does she refuse to talk to you the entire game? Also, is there a "renegade path" to Tali's romance, like there is with Miranda and Jack?


How you treat Tali (or any character really,) in ME1 has no effect in ME2.  If you don't give her the data (are a complete jerk, or just don't do the mission,) all you miss is one line of dialogue on Freedom's Progress.  Nothing else changes.

No alternate paths to her romance either.  You either full out love her, or go for someone else :wub:


I'm not really into the romances (I'm the guy you'll see vomiting in the theatre of a really sappy romance movie), but I still like to do them on my playthroughs occasionally.  I know with Jack it can be one time thing (renegade) or more involved, and with Miranda you can basically accuse her of being jealous, but wasn't sure with Tali.  I plan to try Tali's out on my current run through. 

I wonder if doing her romance will cause her any serious health problems in ME3.  I doubt that it will drastically change anything that big, but it could be a very good plot point.


It won't, you see the consequences at the end of ME2.  She gets cold symptoms, and says that it was totally worth it.  She won't have anything new spring up out of nowhere.

The Normandy is pretty sterile (not completely, but better than Omega for example,) and she takes ample precautions.