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[sergio71785]

What was really funny about 3.0 getting locked:



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Modifié par sergio71785, 06 avril 2010 - 08:56 .

[GuardianAngel470]

padaE wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

padaE wrote...

Guys, would you explian to me how can Tali have such enormous thread(s)? I was trying to figure out but I can't. I came up with a couple of thing, like, she doesn't have a face, what helps people thinking her as they like. Also, she needs Shepard more than anyone, you really feel like her protector, that would help too. Maybe her voice? I don't know, if I knew I wouldn't be asking.
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Anyway,I'm sure you get a lot of trolling around here but I'm just asking. Let's try to keep it civil as long as possible.

People basically love everything about her personality.  Her appearance is subtly attractive as well.  It isn't in your face, but you definitely notice her figure.  Her face doesn't seem to be a huge factor, some people imagine what they want, but most people seem to just leave it blank for now.  Her voice is great, and Liz Sroka does some great VA work that makes a lot of people like her.

Her personality is the main reason though. 

She's nice, yet strong when she needs to be.
She's faced an incredible amount of crap in her life, yet comes out as a positive and open minded person.
She's very loyal (Ash/Liara fail this one,) willing to trust Cerberus, and walk through hell for you.
You feel like the relationship is more advanced than the other ME2 characters since it started in ME1.
Her awkward nervousness around Shep is adorable.
She's willing to risk death to be close to Shep.  That's how much she cares about him.
These are the main ones for me, I'm sure I missed things others like.

More than all, there's really nothing that pushes her away from you.  Ash and Liara's treatment of Shep is a turn off.  Jack is Jack, and Miranda's b*itchiness is a huge turnoff for some.  Tali is just Tali.  The shy true friend that is with you through thick and thin.

The relationship just happens.  Two good friends that develop feelings for each other time.

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That helped a bit. 
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Well, thank you guys, time to get out before things get ugly. Maybe I'll come back. 

I'm noticing a strange parallel here.  Wasn't this the exact question I asked Like last week, right before my "What is it about those Tali fans" thread?  You know, the experiment?


Just sayin.

[RiptideX1090]

instantdeath999 wrote...

I thought that they had no virtually no immune system, much less a very adaptive one? But hey, I'm terrible at Biology in real life, so I'm bound to be even worse when it comes to fictional Biology

Fortunately I happen to be a biologist.

Quarian immune systems are inherently weak, but are quite adaptive. They're more likely to get sick, but are also more likely to develop a permanent immunity to a disease.

The Flotilla ruined this adaptability, making so contact with a particularly nasty bug would more than likely outright kill you, due to weakened ability to respond to disease.

Allergic reactions are also quite deadly now, as most things a quarian would normally come in to contact with the body no longer knows how to respond to, causing common reactions and potentially fatal ones to even average allergens.

[SerSpiffy]

sergio71785 wrote...

What was really funny about 3.0 getting locked:



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HAHA REAL FUNNY. YOU RUINED IT FOR EVERYONE ONE WITH YOUR STUPID DREAM. WAY TO GO. :U

[sergio71785]

SerSpiffy wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

What was really funny about 3.0 getting locked:



click to enlarge if you can't read.

HAHA REAL FUNNY. YOU RUINED IT FOR EVERYONE ONE WITH YOUR STUPID DREAM. WAY TO GO. :U

I foresaw the future! I must be some kind of Tali prophet.

You sir, you are a blight! 

[instantdeath999]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

instantdeath999 wrote...

I thought that they had no virtually no immune system, much less a very adaptive one? But hey, I'm terrible at Biology in real life, so I'm bound to be even worse when it comes to fictional Biology

Fortunately I happen to be a biologist.

Quarian immune systems are inherently weak, but are quite adaptive. They're more likely to get sick, but are also more likely to develop a permanent immunity to a disease.

The Flotilla ruined this adaptability, making so contact with a particularly nasty bug would more than likely outright kill you, due to weakened ability to respond to disease.

Allergic reactions are also quite deadly now, as most things a quarian would normally come in to contact with the body no longer knows how to respond to, causing common reactions and potentially fatal ones to even average allergens.

I guess that makes sense.  I'm most likely showing my ignorance here, but wouldn't it be possible for a Quarian to spend a short time outside the flotilla, be heavily quarantined, and, having built up a resistance, not need suit?

[Deadeas]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

instantdeath999 wrote...

I thought that they had no virtually no immune system, much less a very adaptive one? But hey, I'm terrible at Biology in real life, so I'm bound to be even worse when it comes to fictional Biology

Fortunately I happen to be a biologist.

Quarian immune systems are inherently weak, but are quite adaptive. They're more likely to get sick, but are also more likely to develop a permanent immunity to a disease.

The Flotilla ruined this adaptability, making so contact with a particularly nasty bug would more than likely outright kill you, due to weakened ability to respond to disease.

Allergic reactions are also quite deadly now, as most things a quarian would normally come in to contact with the body no longer knows how to respond to, causing common reactions and potentially fatal ones to even average allergens.

What I'm wanting to know is when did the enviro-suits became necessary for survival. They couldn't have been mandatory when they fled from the Geth, could they?

[padaE]

Phil725 wrote...

padaE wrote...
*snip*
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That helped a bit. 
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Well, thank you guys, time to get out before things get ugly. Maybe I'll come back. 

We're a pretty benign bunch as long as fans of other characters aren't hostile.  We get enough trolls that intelligent discussion on Tali's flaws and liking other characters is perfectly welcome.

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Myabe I'll try that sometime. I'm not an expert but I feel that any discussion involving Tali here that is not to mention how awesome she is may not be interpreted correctly. In my original post I made some comparisons between Tali and a few other character, than I thought again and realized it wasn't the best idea.
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Anyway, at least I got a good first impression. 

[Azint]

sergio71785 wrote...

You sir, you are a blight! 

No I'm not.

[instantdeath999]

I'm not so big on focusing on one specific character, personally. There really isn't a character in the game I don't like... although, I have to say, from what I've seen, I like Jack a bit less than the others.

[Phil725]

padaE wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

padaE wrote...
*snip*
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That helped a bit. 
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Well, thank you guys, time to get out before things get ugly. Maybe I'll come back. 

We're a pretty benign bunch as long as fans of other characters aren't hostile.  We get enough trolls that intelligent discussion on Tali's flaws and liking other characters is perfectly welcome.

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Myabe I'll try that sometime. I'm not an expert but I feel that any discussion involving Tali here that is not to mention how awesome she is may not be interpreted correctly. In my original post I made some comparisons between Tali and a few other character, than I thought again and realized it wasn't the best idea.
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Anyway, at least I got a good first impression. 

Well to be honest, you came at the best possible time.  A lot of mature posters and intelligent discussion going on.  If you post at a different time, the reaction could still be mostly good, but one or two idiots can ruin it for all of us (which tends to happen from time to time.)

For the most part though, people won't just attack you with no provocation.  Basically just try to avoid the highest traffic times if you want to actually carry on a discussion.

[RiptideX1090]

instantdeath999 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

instantdeath999 wrote...

I thought that they had no virtually no immune system, much less a very adaptive one? But hey, I'm terrible at Biology in real life, so I'm bound to be even worse when it comes to fictional Biology

Fortunately I happen to be a biologist.

Quarian immune systems are inherently weak, but are quite adaptive. They're more likely to get sick, but are also more likely to develop a permanent immunity to a disease.

The Flotilla ruined this adaptability, making so contact with a particularly nasty bug would more than likely outright kill you, due to weakened ability to respond to disease.

Allergic reactions are also quite deadly now, as most things a quarian would normally come in to contact with the body no longer knows how to respond to, causing common reactions and potentially fatal ones to even average allergens.

I guess that makes sense.  I'm most likely showing my ignorance here, but wouldn't it be possible for a Quarian to spend a short time outside the flotilla, be heavily quarantined, and, having built up a resistance, not need suit?

Unfortunately, no. Because their immune systems have been so heavily weakened, initial contact with a disease or allergen could prove fatal right from the start. They can no longer build their immune systems without serious risk of death.

The only way to counter act this would be with constant flooding of antibiotics as the body reaclimates to the new environment, and use of immunoboosters for the rest of that quarian's natural life, and hopefully within a few generations, the body's allergen and disease index would be sufficient enough to afford later generations the ability to survive without antibiotics.

[sergio71785]

[Azint]

instantdeath999 wrote...

I'm not so big on focusing on one specific character, personally. There really isn't a character in the game I don't like... although, I have to say, from what I've seen, I like Jack a bit less than the others.

I actually liked all of them, except Morinth. It's a shame you feel that way about Jack, though. Her romance was actually quite well written. To me, at least.

Modifié par Azint, 06 avril 2010 - 09:07 .

[RiptideX1090]

Deadeas wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

instantdeath999 wrote...

I thought that they had no virtually no immune system, much less a very adaptive one? But hey, I'm terrible at Biology in real life, so I'm bound to be even worse when it comes to fictional Biology

Fortunately I happen to be a biologist.

Quarian immune systems are inherently weak, but are quite adaptive. They're more likely to get sick, but are also more likely to develop a permanent immunity to a disease.

The Flotilla ruined this adaptability, making so contact with a particularly nasty bug would more than likely outright kill you, due to weakened ability to respond to disease.

Allergic reactions are also quite deadly now, as most things a quarian would normally come in to contact with the body no longer knows how to respond to, causing common reactions and potentially fatal ones to even average allergens.

What I'm wanting to know is when did the enviro-suits became necessary for survival. They couldn't have been mandatory when they fled from the Geth, could they?

No. But think of it like this.

You're used to having your own room or your own house, yes?

Imagine sharing one room with your ENTIRE family. Four, Five people, maybe. You now have no privacy, sleeping is a **** in the event people snore, you can't tune out the constant noise of the ship you're on, you're constantly forced to bump into and coexist with people in an enclosed space.

The suits offer you some level of privacy, you can turn off speakers and afford some quiet, and they act as a natural barrier against the rest of the world. It's cultural.

However, being stuck in that suit for the sake of privacy destroys your immune system. After several generations, what was a cultural issue is no a biological one.

Hence why quarians are stuck inside their suits.

[instantdeath999]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

instantdeath999 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

instantdeath999 wrote...

I thought that they had no virtually no immune system, much less a very adaptive one? But hey, I'm terrible at Biology in real life, so I'm bound to be even worse when it comes to fictional Biology

Fortunately I happen to be a biologist.

Quarian immune systems are inherently weak, but are quite adaptive. They're more likely to get sick, but are also more likely to develop a permanent immunity to a disease.

The Flotilla ruined this adaptability, making so contact with a particularly nasty bug would more than likely outright kill you, due to weakened ability to respond to disease.

Allergic reactions are also quite deadly now, as most things a quarian would normally come in to contact with the body no longer knows how to respond to, causing common reactions and potentially fatal ones to even average allergens.

I guess that makes sense.  I'm most likely showing my ignorance here, but wouldn't it be possible for a Quarian to spend a short time outside the flotilla, be heavily quarantined, and, having built up a resistance, not need suit?

Unfortunately, no. Because their immune systems have been so heavily weakened, initial contact with a disease or allergen could prove fatal right from the start. They can no longer build their immune systems without serious risk of death.

The only way to counter act this would be with constant flooding of antibiotics as the body reaclimates to the new environment, and use of immunoboosters for the rest of that quarian's natural life, and hopefully within a few generations, the body's allergen and disease index would be sufficient enough to afford later generations the ability to survive without antibiotics.

So, if I'm reading this right, contact with Shepard was something that very well could have killed Tali, and contact with anything not of the flotilla is really just a fatal chance?  Definitely adds a layer of danger to the whole thing. 

I suppose that makes Tali the 2nd most dangerous romance option, after Morinth

[Phil725]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

instantdeath999 wrote...
*snip*

I guess that makes sense.  I'm most likely showing my ignorance here, but wouldn't it be possible for a Quarian to spend a short time outside the flotilla, be heavily quarantined, and, having built up a resistance, not need suit?

Unfortunately, no. Because their immune systems have been so heavily weakened, initial contact with a disease or allergen could prove fatal right from the start. They can no longer build their immune systems without serious risk of death.

The only way to counter act this would be with constant flooding of antibiotics as the body reaclimates to the new environment, and use of immunoboosters for the rest of that quarian's natural life, and hopefully within a few generations, the body's allergen and disease index would be sufficient enough to afford later generations the ability to survive without antibiotics.

Wouldn't next generation quarians be ok on their homeworld from birth though?  Assuming they were adapted before the geth drove them out, 300 years wouldn't be enough to override the thousands of years of evolution would it?

[instantdeath999]

Azint wrote...

instantdeath999 wrote...

I'm not so big on focusing on one specific character, personally. There really isn't a character in the game I don't like... although, I have to say, from what I've seen, I like Jack a bit less than the others.

I actually liked all of them, except Morinth. It's a shame you feel that way about Jack, though. Her romance was actually quite well written. To me, at least.

Haven't done it myself, so I can't comment.  In fact, I really haven't gotten past the "bad girl" stage with her, so it's not fair for me to judge her character. 

[RiptideX1090]

instantdeath999 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

instantdeath999 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

instantdeath999 wrote...

I thought that they had no virtually no immune system, much less a very adaptive one? But hey, I'm terrible at Biology in real life, so I'm bound to be even worse when it comes to fictional Biology

Fortunately I happen to be a biologist.

Quarian immune systems are inherently weak, but are quite adaptive. They're more likely to get sick, but are also more likely to develop a permanent immunity to a disease.

The Flotilla ruined this adaptability, making so contact with a particularly nasty bug would more than likely outright kill you, due to weakened ability to respond to disease.

Allergic reactions are also quite deadly now, as most things a quarian would normally come in to contact with the body no longer knows how to respond to, causing common reactions and potentially fatal ones to even average allergens.

I guess that makes sense.  I'm most likely showing my ignorance here, but wouldn't it be possible for a Quarian to spend a short time outside the flotilla, be heavily quarantined, and, having built up a resistance, not need suit?

Unfortunately, no. Because their immune systems have been so heavily weakened, initial contact with a disease or allergen could prove fatal right from the start. They can no longer build their immune systems without serious risk of death.

The only way to counter act this would be with constant flooding of antibiotics as the body reaclimates to the new environment, and use of immunoboosters for the rest of that quarian's natural life, and hopefully within a few generations, the body's allergen and disease index would be sufficient enough to afford later generations the ability to survive without antibiotics.

So, if I'm reading this right, contact with Shepard was something that very well could have killed Tali, and contact with anything not of the flotilla is really just a fatal chance?  Definitely adds a layer of danger to the whole thing. 

I suppose that makes Tali the 2nd most dangerous romance option, after Morinth

IT's just like she says. The reaction could be minor, or it could kill her. She can take precautions, but there is ALWAYS a risk. Just as there is a risk that you could catch the flu.

It's just that she's far more likely to get sick, and more likely to die from it.

[Deadeas]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Deadeas wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

instantdeath999 wrote...

I thought that they had no virtually no immune system, much less a very adaptive one? But hey, I'm terrible at Biology in real life, so I'm bound to be even worse when it comes to fictional Biology

Fortunately I happen to be a biologist.

Quarian immune systems are inherently weak, but are quite adaptive. They're more likely to get sick, but are also more likely to develop a permanent immunity to a disease.

The Flotilla ruined this adaptability, making so contact with a particularly nasty bug would more than likely outright kill you, due to weakened ability to respond to disease.

Allergic reactions are also quite deadly now, as most things a quarian would normally come in to contact with the body no longer knows how to respond to, causing common reactions and potentially fatal ones to even average allergens.

What I'm wanting to know is when did the enviro-suits became necessary for survival. They couldn't have been mandatory when they fled from the Geth, could they?

*privacysnip*

Good way of explaining it. Thanks.

[Azint]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

No. But think of it like this.

You're used to having your own room or your own house, yes?

Imagine sharing one room with your ENTIRE family. Four, Five people, maybe. You now have no privacy, sleeping is a **** in the event people snore, you can't tune out the constant noise of the ship you're on, you're constantly forced to bump into and coexist with people in an enclosed space.

The suits offer you some level of privacy, you can turn off speakers and afford some quiet, and they act as a natural barrier against the rest of the world. It's cultural.

However, being stuck in that suit for the sake of privacy destroys your immune system. After several generations, what was a cultural issue is no a biological one.

Hence why quarians are stuck inside their suits.

The suits make me think of burkas. It really is there only privacy, and they do value what they have. Being so insular for so long really affect their mentality towards other races, another reason why quarians do not really fit in with others besides their own.

[Phil725]

instantdeath999 wrote...

*snip*
So, if I'm reading this right, contact with Shepard was something that very well could have killed Tali, and contact with anything not of the flotilla is really just a fatal chance?  Definitely adds a layer of danger to the whole thing. 

I suppose that makes Tali the 2nd most dangerous romance option, after Morinth

Tali did her research, I'm sure she lowered the risk down to a tiny percentage.  I'm not sure if she got it lowered than the chance to be killed by Miranda by falling into the drive core, or being killed by a biotic fit with Jack, but its not as dangerous as brain frying.

[Azint]

instantdeath999 wrote...

Azint wrote...

instantdeath999 wrote...

I'm not so big on focusing on one specific character, personally. There really isn't a character in the game I don't like... although, I have to say, from what I've seen, I like Jack a bit less than the others.

I actually liked all of them, except Morinth. It's a shame you feel that way about Jack, though. Her romance was actually quite well written. To me, at least.

Haven't done it myself, so I can't comment.  In fact, I really haven't gotten past the "bad girl" stage with her, so it's not fair for me to judge her character. 

No one is forcing you to like a character, I just thought I'd say I really like Jack,

[GuardianAngel470]

instantdeath999 wrote...

I'm not so big on focusing on one specific character, personally. There really isn't a character in the game I don't like... although, I have to say, from what I've seen, I like Jack a bit less than the others.

I'm of a similar mind.  I don't like Tali over garrus and Garrus and Tali are only slightly cooler than Samara and the rest because they have the past connection that no one else does...other than Chakwas and Joker.  There is something special about those four because of their history, like having old friends. 

Actually I felt the same way about jack at first but then my dislike shifted to Miranda.  Something about miranda rubs me the wrong way, perhaps it is her officiousness and egotism.  She never really lets go of it if you don't romance her. Jack is just a lost person, I can't fault her for it.  And she does show she has a heart with the Space station attack she did.

And I only romance Tali because it is the most natural romance option.  Miranda and Jack both have very few months to get to know you and develop feelings for you whereas Tali's feelings are already established because of what you did for her and the galaxy in ME1.  But that is just my opinion.

[RiptideX1090]

Phil725 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

instantdeath999 wrote...
*snip*

I guess that makes sense.  I'm most likely showing my ignorance here, but wouldn't it be possible for a Quarian to spend a short time outside the flotilla, be heavily quarantined, and, having built up a resistance, not need suit?

Unfortunately, no. Because their immune systems have been so heavily weakened, initial contact with a disease or allergen could prove fatal right from the start. They can no longer build their immune systems without serious risk of death.

The only way to counter act this would be with constant flooding of antibiotics as the body reaclimates to the new environment, and use of immunoboosters for the rest of that quarian's natural life, and hopefully within a few generations, the body's allergen and disease index would be sufficient enough to afford later generations the ability to survive without antibiotics.

Wouldn't next generation quarians be ok on their homeworld from birth though?  Assuming they were adapted before the geth drove them out, 300 years wouldn't be enough to override the thousands of years of evolution would it?

In order to understand you have to know how a person's immune system works. A child's immune system is made up mostly from a the mother's allergen and disease index. If her index is weakened, the child's can be too. This is especially true among quarians I'd imagine, whose immune systems work on a more symbiotic level than a counteractive one. If the mother is missing those symbionts in her index, the child may not get them at all, and they are at that much more of a risk.