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[GuardianAngel470]

Lividity Jones wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I think the Little Mermaid is a pretty good analog to the whole Rael/Shepard/Tali discussion. 

My God...

It actually makes sense...

That is the most horrifically accurate analogy that I never thought of. 

[NuclearBuddha]

Lividity Jones wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I think the Little Mermaid is a pretty good analog to the whole Rael/Shepard/Tali discussion. 

My God...

It actually makes sense...

I f-ing love this song.

[Phil725]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...
*snip*
The quarians have an Us against Them mentality.  The galaxy considers them second class citizens, thieves even and as such they have to look out for each other above others.  And they are organic, prone to baseless judgments like any other species. You can't expect someone to think as logically about it as you have, that's stupid and setting yourself up for disappointment.  You have to realize that the quarians are imperfect and having a hero fall for a non-quarian is like a betrayal for an emotional mind.  That falls outside their Us against Them mentality.

I still don't see an us vs them mentality in the quarians.  The vibe that I got from Tali was that quarians are somewhat accepting of their second class citizen status because of the mistakes made by their ancestors.  And they don't hold grudges against every other non geth race for that reason.  Nowhere in the game (that I know of,) do you see quarian xenophobia towards non geth.

I'm aware that they are open to baseless judgements like that, I just don't see people as closely involved such as Rael and Shala taking that view past a first impression.  Seeing what Shepard means to Tali, yet still trying to make her unhappy by forcing them apart because another human called you a thief is rather inane.

Inane but organic. People don't need a reason to hate, they just do.  I'm not saying the quarians are xenophobic, just that the fleet comes first and by extension, the quarian race.  And fathers (and brothers) have a nasty habit of getting in the way for their daughter's "best interests."  The email I got from Rael gave me the impression that he is that type of father.  Uninvolved when the daughter wants him involved, involved when she doesn't.  He just came across as that type of person.  You may not see it which is a difference of opinion, I can't change your mind.

Shala I could see accepting shepard, but not Rael.  Maybe Han, but not Rael.

Fair enough.  The entire argument is flawed in that we don't have enough info about Rael's personality to difinitively conclude anything.  I just don't see him as that close minded.

I actually see the situation like every chick flick where boyfriend meets the parents, parents disaprove, romantic comedy/actions to change parents mind ensues, parents come around in the end.  Simplified, but, possible.

[Azint]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

LIFE SUCKS BRO

I cut my finger making lunch. It hurts a little bit.

BRO

[Lividity Jones]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I think the Little Mermaid is a pretty good analog to the whole Rael/Shepard/Tali discussion. 

My God...

It actually makes sense...

That is the most horrifically accurate analogy that I never thought of. 

Well now I need to re-watch it.

[GuardianAngel470]

Azint wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

LIFE SUCKS BRO

I cut my finger making lunch. It hurts a little bit.

BRO

PAIN IS AN ILLUSION BRO

[Azint]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I think the Little Mermaid is a pretty good analog to the whole Rael/Shepard/Tali discussion. 

My God...

It actually makes sense...

That is the most horrifically accurate analogy that I never thought of. 

I don't remember the film very well.

[Phil725]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
I think the difference is that we're looking at the email differently.  I think he disapproves of her putting herself in danger based on some crush that will only get her killed.  I'm sure he doesn't see you two getting together and leading a happy life. 

I don't see how his opinion doesn't soften once he sees how the relationship has changed from pre ME2 to post ME2.

And when his worst fears are realized...

I completely disagree with this point.  That implies that he's racist towards humans, and changes everything completely.  I don't think thats true at all.  No way to prove it, but again, I don't see any evidence for flat out racism.

I was saying that he doesn't want Tali risking her life for someone that will never care about her in the same way.  If Shepard cares about her in the same way, the whole dynamic changes.

It's not racism.  It's Tali leaving the Flotilla.  And how is Rael going to believe that anyone besides a quarian is truly going to understand how a quarian lives?

Maybe I misinterpreted what you wrote, but I thought you meant that Tali falling in love with a human, regardless of circumstances was his worst fear. 

That stuff still falls under a negative first impression though.  I'm not expecting him to meet you and say "So, you're the one nailing my daughter, *brofist*."  I would expect him to fully dislike you in the beginning.  When he sees that Shep truly loves her, and fully plans to build her a house on Rannoch, doesn't that change his opinion? 

[Azint]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I think the Little Mermaid is a pretty good analog to the whole Rael/Shepard/Tali discussion. 

My God...

It actually makes sense...

I f-ing love this song.

[Lividity Jones]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I think the Little Mermaid is a pretty good analog to the whole Rael/Shepard/Tali discussion. 

My God...

It actually makes sense...

I f-ing love this song.

While we are on the topic of Disney songs:



The best.

[GuardianAngel470]

Azint wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I think the Little Mermaid is a pretty good analog to the whole Rael/Shepard/Tali discussion. 

My God...

It actually makes sense...

That is the most horrifically accurate analogy that I never thought of. 

I don't remember the film very well.

I remember the basic premise.  Man on land that mermaid has fallen for, father disapproves forcing mermaid to go to witch, love happens, father steps in to save the day.  As a kid it wasn't one of my favorites, which means I watched it all the way through maybe twice.  Ten or so years ago.

[Phil725]

Lividity Jones wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I think the Little Mermaid is a pretty good analog to the whole Rael/Shepard/Tali discussion. 

My God...

It actually makes sense...

That is the most horrifically accurate analogy that I never thought of. 

Well now I need to re-watch it.

Never seen it

[NuclearBuddha]

Azint wrote...
I don't remember the film very well.

Mermaid wants to leave the water.  Father discourages her because she's half fish.  Mermaid sells voice to witch to become human.  Mermaid meets prince but can't romance him without voice.  Prince loves mermaind anyway.  Witch cheats, father sacrifices self for daughter.  Witch defeated.  Mermaid stays on land with prince.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 09 avril 2010 - 09:08 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Lividity Jones wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I think the Little Mermaid is a pretty good analog to the whole Rael/Shepard/Tali discussion. 

My God...

It actually makes sense...

I f-ing love this song.

While we are on the topic of Disney songs:



The best.

I beg to differ.

[Deadeas]

A quarian combat medic...Interesting.

[sergio71785]

Lividity Jones wrote...
While we are on the topic of Disney songs:



The best.

I've posted this before:

Saren was actually in love with Tali. Remember that "Hellfire" music scene in Hunchback, where Frollo talks about how he can't get Esmeralda out of his mind? Saren had a similar scene after he first saw Tali; it's the real reason he sent those thugs to get her.

It's not my fault 
I'm not to blame 
It's the space-gypsy girl
The tech who sent this flame

[GuardianAngel470]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Azint wrote...
I don't remember the film very well.

Mermaid wants to leave the water.  Father discourages her because she's half fish.  Mermaid sells voice to witch to become human.  Mermaid meets prince but can't romance him without voice.  Prince loves mermaind anyway.  Witch cheats, father sacrifices self for daughter.  Witch defeated.  Mermaid stays on land with prince.

What he said.  Didn't that movie have a bunch of explicit imagery hidden away? 

[Lividity Jones]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I think the Little Mermaid is a pretty good analog to the whole Rael/Shepard/Tali discussion. 

My God...

It actually makes sense...

I f-ing love this song.

While we are on the topic of Disney songs:



The best.

I beg to differ.

Scar simply does not measure up to Frollo.

[GuardianAngel470]

Deadeas wrote...

A quarian combat medic...Interesting.

That's almost a contradiction in terms.  

[NuclearBuddha]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Azint wrote...
I don't remember the film very well.

Mermaid wants to leave the water.  Father discourages her because she's half fish.  Mermaid sells voice to witch to become human.  Mermaid meets prince but can't romance him without voice.  Prince loves mermaind anyway.  Witch cheats, father sacrifices self for daughter.  Witch defeated.  Mermaid stays on land with prince.

What he said.  Didn't that movie have a bunch of explicit imagery hidden away? 

I assume you're talking about the priest getting a stiffy there at the end.  And the schlong hidden in the artwork of the VHS case?

[sergio71785]

Eh, in my opinoin, Scar is the best Disney villain to date. 

He was just... dark. Frollo was more misguided and hypocritical than anything. But Scar? Just... damn. 

[NuclearBuddha]

Lividity Jones wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I think the Little Mermaid is a pretty good analog to the whole Rael/Shepard/Tali discussion. 

My God...

It actually makes sense...

I f-ing love this song.

While we are on the topic of Disney songs:



The best.

I beg to differ.

Scar simply does not measure up to Frollo.

C'mon, it's got goose-stepping hyenas!

[Lividity Jones]

sergio71785 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...
While we are on the topic of Disney songs:



The best.

I've posted this before:

Saren was actually in love with Tali. Remember that "Hellfire" music scene in Hunchback, where Frollo talks about how he can't get Esmeralda out of his mind? Saren had a similar scene after he first saw Tali; it's the real reason he sent those thugs to get her.

It's not my fault 
I'm not to blame 
It's the space-gypsy girl
The tech who sent this flame

Sergio, my friend, you have official removed any and all negative feelings I might have had about Saren emptying his brainpan.

Thank you.

[NuclearBuddha]

Scar's voice is Jeremy Irons. Therefore...

[GuardianAngel470]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Azint wrote...
I don't remember the film very well.

Mermaid wants to leave the water.  Father discourages her because she's half fish.  Mermaid sells voice to witch to become human.  Mermaid meets prince but can't romance him without voice.  Prince loves mermaind anyway.  Witch cheats, father sacrifices self for daughter.  Witch defeated.  Mermaid stays on land with prince.

What he said.  Didn't that movie have a bunch of explicit imagery hidden away? 

I assume you're talking about the priest getting a stiffy there at the end.  And the schlong hidden in the artwork of the VHS case?

I'm referring to a rumor that I never bothered to verify and so don't actually know what I am referring to specifically.

Are you suggesting something?