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[Dark_Helmet]

Well I'm gone.

*slowly rides away*

I'll be back.........eventually.

[Azint]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Seriously?

Let me break it down.

What Riener did was as bad, if not worse, than raping a child. Humans can have at eachother whenever they want for the most part. With quarians, it's different. You have to prepare, you have to plan ahead, you have to trust somebody so much, have to love them so much, that feeling their skin means you're willing to die to do it. Any relationship with a quarian would be hard, and you have to hope, and pray, that at the end, after all your hard work, you'll see something for your efforts. To share something beautiful, and surreal, and spectacular with someone you're willing to DIE for.

Then, you have someone who comes along, throws all that by the wayside, taking what that person and her lover worked so hard and so long for to achieve, and just... takes it. And takes it. And takes it. Until there's nothing left but slow death, pain, and an endless stream of tears for someone the world won't even miss.

Now I ask you, you REALLY didn't think it would have an impact on anyone? You really thought that the resolution for the person that did that was justified given his crime?

Son. I am so dissapoint, there aren't words or pictures to describe it.

No matter what you do, it will never fix the wrong that happened. Some people will simply find a different reaction, I believe you that you would do as you see fit if you were in that situation. But you need to realize the differences in ideals people have, it will never be the same. It was monstrous, but to many, another death will never make them feel better.

You just need to accept the differences.

[Lividity Jones]

I grow weary.

I must prepare myself to delve into the darkest depths to give Xen her form.

Keelah Se'lai, gentlemen.

I might have something more solid tomorrow.

[RiptideX1090]

Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Seriously?

Let me break it down.

What Riener did was as bad, if not worse, than raping a child. Humans can have at eachother whenever they want for the most part. With quarians, it's different. You have to prepare, you have to plan ahead, you have to trust somebody so much, have to love them so much, that feeling their skin means you're willing to die to do it. Any relationship with a quarian would be hard, and you have to hope, and pray, that at the end, after all your hard work, you'll see something for your efforts. To share something beautiful, and surreal, and spectacular with someone you're willing to DIE for.

Then, you have someone who comes along, throws all that by the wayside, taking what that person and her lover worked so hard and so long for to achieve, and just... takes it. And takes it. And takes it. Until there's nothing left but slow death, pain, and an endless stream of tears for someone the world won't even miss.

Now I ask you, you REALLY didn't think it would have an impact on anyone? You really thought that the resolution for the person that did that was justified given his crime?

Son. I am so dissapoint, there aren't words or pictures to describe it.

No matter what you do, it will never fix the wrong that happened. Some people will simply find a different reaction, I believe you that you would do as you see fit if you were in that situation. But you need to realize the differences in ideals people have, it will never be the same. It was monstrous, but to many, another death will never make them feel better.

You just need to accept the differences.

It's not about feeling better.

It's about making that bastard feel as bad as Rin did before he killed her.

[cannedcream]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Seriously?

Let me break it down.

What Riener did was as bad, if not worse, than raping a child. Humans can have at eachother whenever they want for the most part. With quarians, it's different. You have to prepare, you have to plan ahead, you have to trust somebody so much, have to love them so much, that feeling their skin means you're willing to die to do it. Any relationship with a quarian would be hard, and you have to hope, and pray, that at the end, after all your hard work, you'll see something for your efforts. To share something beautiful, and surreal, and spectacular with someone you're willing to DIE for.

Then, you have someone who comes along, throws all that by the wayside, taking what that person and her lover worked so hard and so long for to achieve, and just... takes it. And takes it. And takes it. Until there's nothing left but slow death, pain, and an endless stream of tears for someone the world won't even miss.

Now I ask you, you REALLY didn't think it would have an impact on anyone? You really thought that the resolution for the person that did that was justified given his crime?

Son. I am so dissapoint, there aren't words or pictures to describe it.

I really didn't.
Story wasn't directly about Shepard or Tali. I had no reason to think anyone would care because of that since OC's don't tend to held in the highest regard.

Again, my personal doubts were ill-founded and I apologize for not providing an ending that everyone was happy with, but to do anything now would only cheapen the story.

At the same time, while you make valid points, allow me to counter with this: the reason someone as emotionally jagged as Rin even allowed herself to fall in love in the first place was because of David's kindness and almost 'innocence'. At the same time he was still a competent and strong person able to do was is necessary without losing sight of his personal morals.
After losing Rin, David practically went back on all of the things the girl loved him for. He became a thug and a murder because he was swallowed by grief and hatred. Rin would not have wanted him to change who he was because of her and it wasn't until he finally saw Reiner, his 'boogyman', face-to-face that David understood what kind of pathetic, weak creature he was dealing with. To have killed him would have been to kill the very last bit of himself that Rin loved. In the end, he choose the harder path of forgiveness, not for himself, but for her.


*sigh*. God I feel like a dick right now.

[Azint]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

It's not about feeling better.

It's about making that bastard feel as bad as Rin did before he killed her.

And who is it that wants this retribution?

[RiptideX1090]

Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

It's not about feeling better.

It's about making that bastard feel as bad as Rin did before he killed her.

And who is it that wants this retribution?

Clearly, I do.

[Daro-Xen vas Moreh]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Xen held her fist in the air, the orange glow of her omni-tool shining like a beacon in her hand as her voice carried out across the assembled crew of the Moreh.

"In my hand I carry the weapon that will rebuild our future. I carry the hope of generations. I carry the key to our legacy."

They cried out her name. Men, women and children.

"The geth have driven us to scavenge for our survival, forcing us to live in this squalorous slum of a fleet. Long ago, the galaxy turned is back on us as our home burned, our children slaughtered at the hands of the tools we had created. They spat on us. Beat us down. For three hundred years we have lived in exile. But today, I come to you with the power to take back what is ours. Our rightful place. With this, I will bring the geth to their knees. Then the galaxy will tremble as they see how the meek have inherited their former glory. Retribution for all those allowed to suffer and die at the hands of this galaxy. Our children. There will be no mercy, no negotiation. There will only be justice for those who's backs were broken and their suits ripped from their flesh. There will be a bloody reckoning and the tools that were once our butchers will return to their rightful place as our vengeance!"

A transcendant chorus of jubilation greeted her words. They loved her. But there was fear there as well. She didn't care. They served her. They were her toys. She always had the very best toys. They were her friends. They made her strong. She didn't need to be afraid with them around her.

She didn't need to be that scared girl in the dark all those years ago...


What do you think?

I approve.

[Lividity Jones]

Daro-Xen vas Moreh wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Xen held her fist in the air, the orange glow of her omni-tool shining like a beacon in her hand as her voice carried out across the assembled crew of the Moreh.

"In my hand I carry the weapon that will rebuild our future. I carry the hope of generations. I carry the key to our legacy."

They cried out her name. Men, women and children.

"The geth have driven us to scavenge for our survival, forcing us to live in this squalorous slum of a fleet. Long ago, the galaxy turned is back on us as our home burned, our children slaughtered at the hands of the tools we had created. They spat on us. Beat us down. For three hundred years we have lived in exile. But today, I come to you with the power to take back what is ours. Our rightful place. With this, I will bring the geth to their knees. Then the galaxy will tremble as they see how the meek have inherited their former glory. Retribution for all those allowed to suffer and die at the hands of this galaxy. Our children. There will be no mercy, no negotiation. There will only be justice for those who's backs were broken and their suits ripped from their flesh. There will be a bloody reckoning and the tools that were once our butchers will return to their rightful place as our vengeance!"

A transcendant chorus of jubilation greeted her words. They loved her. But there was fear there as well. She didn't care. They served her. They were her toys. She always had the very best toys. They were her friends. They made her strong. She didn't need to be afraid with them around her.

She didn't need to be that scared girl in the dark all those years ago...


What do you think?

I approve.

Well... That's pretty much all the go-ahead I need.

[cannedcream]

Lividity Jones wrote...

I grow weary.

I must prepare myself to delve into the darkest depths to give Xen her form.

Keelah Se'lai, gentlemen.

I might have something more solid tomorrow.

Keelah se'lai, Liv.

I looks forward to your unique spin on Xen's life and motives.

[Dark_Helmet]

[quote]Daro-Xen vas Moreh wrote...



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What do you think?[/quote]
I approve.

[/quote]
Ahhh an RPer.
I wonder which TaliZorah.com member you are.

[Azint]

cannedcream wrote...

To have killed him would have been to kill the very last bit of himself that Rin loved. In the end, he choose the harder path of forgiveness, not for himself, but for her.

That's why I feel you did well with it. David was out for revenge, not because he loved Rin, but because he was miserable. That final act of mercy, the hardest thing to do, is what set it straight. If he did kill Reiner, it would have shown that he has indeed fallen, tragic in its own right, but not the story you wanted to write.

[Azint]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

It's not about feeling better.

It's about making that bastard feel as bad as Rin did before he killed her.

And who is it that wants this retribution?

Clearly, I do.

And for what reason?

[Azint]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Well... That's pretty much all the go-ahead I need.

There you go. Now enjoy yourself.

[RiptideX1090]

cannedcream wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Seriously?

Let me break it down.

What Riener did was as bad, if not worse, than raping a child. Humans can have at eachother whenever they want for the most part. With quarians, it's different. You have to prepare, you have to plan ahead, you have to trust somebody so much, have to love them so much, that feeling their skin means you're willing to die to do it. Any relationship with a quarian would be hard, and you have to hope, and pray, that at the end, after all your hard work, you'll see something for your efforts. To share something beautiful, and surreal, and spectacular with someone you're willing to DIE for.

Then, you have someone who comes along, throws all that by the wayside, taking what that person and her lover worked so hard and so long for to achieve, and just... takes it. And takes it. And takes it. Until there's nothing left but slow death, pain, and an endless stream of tears for someone the world won't even miss.

Now I ask you, you REALLY didn't think it would have an impact on anyone? You really thought that the resolution for the person that did that was justified given his crime?

Son. I am so dissapoint, there aren't words or pictures to describe it.

I really didn't.
Story wasn't directly about Shepard or Tali. I had no reason to think anyone would care because of that since OC's don't tend to held in the highest regard.

Again, my personal doubts were ill-founded and I apologize for not providing an ending that everyone was happy with, but to do anything now would only cheapen the story.

At the same time, while you make valid points, allow me to counter with this: the reason someone as emotionally jagged as Rin even allowed herself to fall in love in the first place was because of David's kindness and almost 'innocence'. At the same time he was still a competent and strong person able to do was is necessary without losing sight of his personal morals.
After losing Rin, David practically went back on all of the things the girl loved him for. He became a thug and a murder because he was swallowed by grief and hatred. Rin would not have wanted him to change who he was because of her and it wasn't until he finally saw Reiner, his 'boogyman', face-to-face that David understood what kind of pathetic, weak creature he was dealing with. To have killed him would have been to kill the very last bit of himself that Rin loved. In the end, he choose the harder path of forgiveness, not for himself, but for her.


*sigh*. God I feel like a dick right now.

The characters parallel Shepard and Tali enough that them being different is negligible. It's worse actually. David represents the average Talimancer, who had to wait and endure to get the Talimance. To see him lose her is like watching Tali going through the same thing Rin did in 3. How do you think people would react?

Do not apologize to me or anyone. You're the author, it's your story. Don't apologize for it.

And to counter your counter with one of my own: David was innocent and loving as a result of Rin. Riener taking her out of the world and out of his life is what unleashed David upon him. He destroyed whoever David used to be, and even if he went back to being as he was, it would be pointless without Rin at his side. He'll be an empty shell for the rest of his life either way. It's Riener's fault for David being willing to kill him, he should own responsibility for that, but choice, or by force.

Difference in philosophy of course, I dont' expect you to agree with me, and certainly do not apologize. I merely questioned your judgement and reasoning, I did not mean to insinuate I wanted you to go back and change it.

As I've said, it's one of my all time favorite stories. That's impressive.

[cannedcream]

Azint wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

To have killed him would have been to kill the very last bit of himself that Rin loved. In the end, he choose the harder path of forgiveness, not for himself, but for her.

That's why I feel you did well with it. David was out for revenge, not because he loved Rin, but because he was miserable. That final act of mercy, the hardest thing to do, is what set it straight. If he did kill Reiner, it would have shown that he has indeed fallen, tragic in its own right, but not the story you wanted to write.

Yes. Exactly.

It was a story about identity and how emotions can sometimes make us change who we are.

If it was written to be a revenge story than, hell yes, I would have painted the walls with the man's brains, but Dirty Harry, David is not.

I supposed I didn't paint that picture completely, though.

[RiptideX1090]

Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

It's not about feeling better.

It's about making that bastard feel as bad as Rin did before he killed her.

And who is it that wants this retribution?

Clearly, I do.

And for what reason?

I just explained my reason.

Riener deserves to suffer for what he did. Justice. Revenge. Whatever you call it, he deserves it.

[RiptideX1090]

cannedcream wrote...

Azint wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

To have killed him would have been to kill the very last bit of himself that Rin loved. In the end, he choose the harder path of forgiveness, not for himself, but for her.

That's why I feel you did well with it. David was out for revenge, not because he loved Rin, but because he was miserable. That final act of mercy, the hardest thing to do, is what set it straight. If he did kill Reiner, it would have shown that he has indeed fallen, tragic in its own right, but not the story you wanted to write.

Yes. Exactly.

It was a story about identity and how emotions can sometimes make us change who we are.

If it was written to be a revenge story than, hell yes, I would have painted the walls with the man's brains, but Dirty Harry, David is not.

I supposed I didn't paint that picture completely, though.

He killed a ton of people before Reiner didn't he? I can't recall if he let a few linger or not...

[Azint]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

The characters parallel Shepard and Tali enough that them being different is negligible. It's worse actually. David represents the average Talimancer, who had to wait and endure to get the Talimance. To see him lose her is like watching Tali going through the same thing Rin did in 3. How do you think people would react?

Do not apologize to me or anyone. You're the author, it's your story. Don't apologize for it.

And to counter your counter with one of my own: David was innocent and loving as a result of Rin. Riener taking her out of the world and out of his life is what unleashed David upon him. He destroyed whoever David used to be, and even if he went back to being as he was, it would be pointless without Rin at his side. He'll be an empty shell for the rest of his life either way. It's Riener's fault for David being willing to kill him, he should own responsibility for that, but choice, or by force.

Difference in philosophy of course, I dont' expect you to agree with me, and certainly do not apologize. I merely questioned your judgement and reasoning, I did not mean to insinuate I wanted you to go back and change it.

As I've said, it's one of my all time favorite stories. That's impressive.

The difference being that you are "paragade," canned is paragon. You do believe in this justice, you want Reiner to pay for it. canned has different views on it, and I do think that it is unfair of you to tell him what you felt is wrong in his own story.

I was upset for these characters, too. I did want Reiner to pay for his actions, but I also felt indulging this bitter attitude is unlike myself. I had to read through it through someone else's perspective.

[cannedcream]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

The characters parallel Shepard and Tali enough that them being different is negligible. It's worse actually. David represents the average Talimancer, who had to wait and endure to get the Talimance. To see him lose her is like watching Tali going through the same thing Rin did in 3. How do you think people would react?

Do not apologize to me or anyone. You're the author, it's your story. Don't apologize for it.

And to counter your counter with one of my own: David was innocent and loving as a result of Rin. Riener taking her out of the world and out of his life is what unleashed David upon him. He destroyed whoever David used to be, and even if he went back to being as he was, it would be pointless without Rin at his side. He'll be an empty shell for the rest of his life either way. It's Riener's fault for David being willing to kill him, he should own responsibility for that, but choice, or by force.

Difference in philosophy of course, I dont' expect you to agree with me, and certainly do not apologize. I merely questioned your judgement and reasoning, I did not mean to insinuate I wanted you to go back and change it.

As I've said, it's one of my all time favorite stories. That's impressive.

Well thank you Rip. Well, yes, we do not share the same ideals your words and criticism will certainly help me look at everything I write from now on with a different set of eyes.

The fact that we're having this discussion at all means quite a lot to me.

I think I said it before, but getting any reaction (other than laughter, I guess), is better than nothing at all.

[Azint]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I just explained my reason.

Riener deserves to suffer for what he did. Justice. Revenge. Whatever you call it, he deserves it.

You missed the point. You say he deserves punishment because you want it. You want it because it will make you feel better?

[RiptideX1090]

Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

The characters parallel Shepard and Tali enough that them being different is negligible. It's worse actually. David represents the average Talimancer, who had to wait and endure to get the Talimance. To see him lose her is like watching Tali going through the same thing Rin did in 3. How do you think people would react?

Do not apologize to me or anyone. You're the author, it's your story. Don't apologize for it.

And to counter your counter with one of my own: David was innocent and loving as a result of Rin. Riener taking her out of the world and out of his life is what unleashed David upon him. He destroyed whoever David used to be, and even if he went back to being as he was, it would be pointless without Rin at his side. He'll be an empty shell for the rest of his life either way. It's Riener's fault for David being willing to kill him, he should own responsibility for that, but choice, or by force.

Difference in philosophy of course, I dont' expect you to agree with me, and certainly do not apologize. I merely questioned your judgement and reasoning, I did not mean to insinuate I wanted you to go back and change it.

As I've said, it's one of my all time favorite stories. That's impressive.

The difference being that you are "paragade," canned is paragon. You do believe in this justice, you want Reiner to pay for it. canned has different views on it, and I do think that it is unfair of you to tell him what you felt is wrong in his own story.

I was upset for these characters, too. I did want Reiner to pay for his actions, but I also felt indulging this bitter attitude is unlike myself. I had to read through it through someone else's perspective.

I'm not trying to berate Canned, and if it comes off that way, then Cream, I sincerly apologize. I'm not trying to tell you how to write or what you should do. I love ALL of your stories. You're a damn talented writer, and I wouldn't want you to change a thing.

I'm merely curious as to your thinking, and to be frank, I care about your characters, because they mirror Shepard and Tali so much. Really, the hardest part of the story was Shepard, because I know if I was in that situation, I'd have done things so dfferently. It simply causes me to react, which is absolutely AMAZING out of a fanfiction, but there it is. The fact of the matter remains, If I was in Shepard's shoes, and I was romancing Tali, there would have been an unholy reckoning like the universe has never seen. I respect your choice. I simply do not agree with it. At all,

Again. Don't change on my account. Love your work, and thanks for indulging my incessant ****ing. It's more than you have to do.

[cannedcream]

RiptideX1090 wrote...


He killed a ton of people before Reiner didn't he? I can't recall if he let a few linger or not...

Cerberus saved Reiner for last for a reason. He was their bargaining chip.

The rest of them: the asari, the vorcha, the batarian, and the other human: David killed them all off one at a time before hand. Those that he could make suffer, he did. Other fights he just barely squeaked away from. Remember; David was no merc and in a subconscious sort of way, he was hoping he would be killed by one of them.

David and Rin also took out a handful of Void members during their first run-in, but that was self-defense; not a grief induced, half-suicidal revenge spree.

[RiptideX1090]

Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I just explained my reason.

Riener deserves to suffer for what he did. Justice. Revenge. Whatever you call it, he deserves it.

You missed the point. You say he deserves punishment because you want it. You want it because it will make you feel better?

Hell yes I want it. Wouldn't you?

[RiptideX1090]

cannedcream wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...


He killed a ton of people before Reiner didn't he? I can't recall if he let a few linger or not...

Cerberus saved Reiner for last for a reason. He was their bargaining chip.

The rest of them: the asari, the vorcha, the batarian, and the other human: David killed them all off one at a time before hand. Those that he could make suffer, he did. Other fights he just barely squeaked away from. Remember; David was no merc and in a subconscious sort of way, he was hoping he would be killed by one of them.

David and Rin also took out a handful of Void members during their first run-in, but that was self-defense; not a grief induced, half-suicidal revenge spree.

To be fair, David sounds closer to Dirty Harry than one might expect.