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[Lividity Jones]

Alright, I'm on my way out.

I have a party to attend to.

However, my head is still stuck in Xen-mode, so I'll probably just be brooding and antagonistic the whole time.

Be back later. Can't wait for CotEM.

Keelah Se'lai.

[NuclearBuddha]

khevan wrote...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Tali's mom died when Tali was a teenager.  I think I remember that being referenced somewhere, I think in ME1.  If so, something of their interactions should have stuck in Tali's mind.  Maybe not enough to alleviate Rael's indifference, but enough to have left an impression that she'd be likely to mention.

It could also be an oversight by the writers (who probably didn't think we'd look this deep into the story), who simply didn't write lines about Tali's mom for Liz to record.  But all we have to go on is what the writers give us, and the writers didn't have Tali mention her mom except in passing, so it makes me wonder why.  *shrug* 

By "a while" I meant from the perspective of us as players.  Her mom is gone before the game starts.  It's hard to hate on her when Rael is the more obvious target.

[TTTX]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Tairis Deamhan wrote...
Also I kind of got the impression that Tali's mom died early in her life. The conversations with Shaala seem to imply she was the one that mostly raised her.

Tali's mom died when Tali was 17.  But yeah, it sounds like Rael was far the greater in terms of influence.

I for one is not surprised it reminds me of the third Austin Power movie almost the same story..

[Thelacan]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

With anger.  And likely with a sense of "well, if they're going to think it without reason, why should I worry about proving them wrong?"

Actually this gave me an interesting idea, but it would be hard to see Tali doing that, imagining her as pro-flotilla type when on renegade.

[Someone With Mass]

Here's something I would want to hear Tali say in Mass Effect 3. Her mother's name.

[Goat_Shepard]

khevan wrote...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Tali's mom died when Tali was a teenager.  I think I remember that being referenced somewhere, I think in ME1.  If so, something of their interactions should have stuck in Tali's mind.  Maybe not enough to alleviate Rael's indifference, but enough to have left an impression that she'd be likely to mention.

It could also be an oversight by the writers (who probably didn't think we'd look this deep into the story), who simply didn't write lines about Tali's mom for Liz to record.  But all we have to go on is what the writers give us, and the writers didn't have Tali mention her mom except in passing, so it makes me wonder why.  *shrug* 

Indeed. This whole time I thought her mom was 17, not Tali lol

So you can't really say her mom was good or bad. From a gaming standpoint, Rael was the focus, so no mention of her mom is understandable (somewhat). From Tali's perspective, maybe she loved her mom very much, and 5-7 years of grieving has made her silent.

She loves her, but doesn't want to talk about it.

OR

Her mom was young, irresponsible, and didn't know how to be a mom. Tali forms a bond with Shala and therefor at least received support as she grew up worth mentioning.

[NuclearBuddha]

Thelacan wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
With anger.  And likely with a sense of "well, if they're going to think it without reason, why should I worry about proving them wrong?"

Actually this gave me an interesting idea, but it would be hard to see Tali doing that, imagining her as pro-flotilla type when on renegade.

Think about reneShep:  He's pro-human, but doesn't give a crap about making humanity LOOK good.  One of the most renegade things you can do in ME1 (in my opinion) is hold back the human fleet.  I can totally see that as a decision a renegade quarian would make:  "let the people who put us in this situation take all the damage before we go in and mop up.  After all, their population is bigger."

[Andaius20]

Well Tali did mention her a few times in ME 1 if I recall. If memory serves she sounds pretty "normal" in most regards. WE just hear alot about Rael because he was exceptional. Important job, dysfunctional relationship socially with his daughter, and so forth. Mom didn't have any of those problems. Nothing atleast that stuck in Tali's mind as being note worthy.

[NuclearBuddha]

SWM, I second the motion.

[Thundertactics]

Thelacan wrote...

Actually this gave me an interesting idea, but it would be hard to see Tali doing that, imagining her as pro-flotilla type when on renegade.

She might start making racist comments about the race who made those comments then.


"Well, you're just a big stupid jellyfish!"

[MassDestroyer]

*switches disk to ME2*
I can't take the lack of tali romance I have for 2 days but not anymore

[khevan]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

khevan wrote...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Tali's mom died when Tali was a teenager.  I think I remember that being referenced somewhere, I think in ME1.  If so, something of their interactions should have stuck in Tali's mind.  Maybe not enough to alleviate Rael's indifference, but enough to have left an impression that she'd be likely to mention.

It could also be an oversight by the writers (who probably didn't think we'd look this deep into the story), who simply didn't write lines about Tali's mom for Liz to record.  But all we have to go on is what the writers give us, and the writers didn't have Tali mention her mom except in passing, so it makes me wonder why.  *shrug* 

By "a while" I meant from the perspective of us as players.  Her mom is gone before the game starts.  It's hard to hate on her when Rael is the more obvious target.

Ah, I see what you mean.  I misunderstood.  But you're right, we don't see anything of her in-game.  But, then, we only have like 4-5 lines from Rael, too.  The difference is that Tali has lines talking about her father, and how he treated her, where she barely mentions her mother.  The writers intentionally made Rael the bad guy, and rightly so.  My anger at him rages with the firey intensity of a thousand burning suns, I don't mean to sound otherwise.  I just wonder why her mom didn't seemingly leave much of an impression, and don't give me the "Mom faded into the background," bit as an excuse.  If so, she let herself fade into Rael's shadow.  As a parent, I can say that with 100% certainty.

[TTTX]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

khevan wrote...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Tali's mom died when Tali was a teenager.  I think I remember that being referenced somewhere, I think in ME1.  If so, something of their interactions should have stuck in Tali's mind.  Maybe not enough to alleviate Rael's indifference, but enough to have left an impression that she'd be likely to mention.

It could also be an oversight by the writers (who probably didn't think we'd look this deep into the story), who simply didn't write lines about Tali's mom for Liz to record.  But all we have to go on is what the writers give us, and the writers didn't have Tali mention her mom except in passing, so it makes me wonder why.  *shrug* 

Indeed. This whole time I thought her mom was 17, not Tali lol

So you can't really say her mom was good or bad. From a gaming standpoint, Rael was the focus, so no mention of her mom is understandable (somewhat). From Tali's perspective, maybe she loved her mom very much, and 5-7 years of grieving has made her silent.

She loves her, but doesn't want to talk about it.

OR

Her mom was young, irresponsible, and didn't know how to be a mom. Tali forms a bond with Shala and therefor at least received support as she grew up worth mentioning.

OR
Tali's mom and Shala were the ones to raise her.

OR Shala is Tali real mother because Rael had a affair with her and therefor helped raise her.

[Andaius20]

Hey that is one of mine! Awesome!

[Thundertactics]

One more thing renegade Tali might do (it's definitely one of the following):
-Toss Legion out of the airlock before Shepard has a chance to interrogate it
Or
-Shoot him as soon as she finds out he took the data, not wait for Shepard
Or
-Go all pro-quarian dominance and send it to Xen/her father/start her own research

[Thelacan]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Think about reneShep:  He's pro-human, but doesn't give a crap about making humanity LOOK good.  One of the most renegade things you can do in ME1 (in my opinion) is hold back the human fleet.  I can totally see that as a decision a renegade quarian would make:  "let the people who put us in this situation take all the damage before we go in and mop up.  After all, their population is bigger."

Hm, very good point.. Aw hell, I'm having way too many ideas now and can't decide where to start.

[NCLanceman]

Lividity Jones wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

I'm curious how they managed to set up the shot, really.

They eyeballed it.

Who needs targeting solutions?

Eons ago, Hawking Eta Cluster, Schwartzchild System, planet Etamis

Ancient Admiral: It's coming right for us! Fire! Fire already!
Ancient Gunnery Officer: Look, I have to finish solving for the slug charge and-
Ancient Admiral: There. Is. No. Time.
Ancient Gunnery Officer: Fine. *hits the button*

*The collossal mass accelerator fires, a bolt of thunder almost literally heard round the world. Thirty seconds later, it's projectile, a ball of tungsten the size of a basketball hurtling through space at almost fifteen percent of the speed of light comes within ten meters of the Reaper dreadnaught Dominion and misses, flying off into space.*

Ancient Gunnery Officer: *reading the targeting readouts, five minutes later* Well, we missed. Are you happy now?
Ancient Admiral: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

*He literally never finishes that sentence as Dominion returns fire on his position.*

Five hundred thousand years later. Hawking Eta Cluster, Century System.

*It's a peaceful day on the planet Klendagon, five lightyears away from Etamis. Here the life cycle has just barely begun in geological terms: simple ferns and small reptiles about and go about their business. Cries and screeches pierce one of the many forest-sized oasises on this planet, where water from underground springs provide precious sustinance on the otherwise arid world. Suddenly, a flaming meteor archs through the sky. Not an uncommon occurance in this system, meteor showers happen all the time. However, this one is different. It's deadly payload of sheer energy gets imparted on the side of the planet, creating a mile-deep trench in the side of the planet. The tiny lizards are in awe: their star, Century, has gone dim as thick dust clouds cover the surface. The impact dumps dust on the ground thirty meters deep in some areas, all across the planet. Over the years, time would harden the dust until it too became rock, and the lizards a distant memory. No one will ever know life lived on this planet.*

Twelve hundred thousand years later. Hawking Eta Cluster, Thorne System.

*Another harvest sucessesful, two Reapers bask in the sunlight of Thorne from the brown dwarf Mnemosyne.*
Dominion: So they lined up the shot -must've taken half their squishy little lives- and miss!
Sovereign: They are weak in ways they cannot even comprehend. Their failure is... paramount.
Dominion: Sov, brother, you're an alright guy, but sometimes I wish you'd speak normally like everyone else.
Sovereign: My command of language is so far beyond-
Dominion: "-what I can possible conceive of?" I was born right after you. Whatever species you're made of must've been real fun to hang out with. Circuits, I can't believe you're my friend. Sometimes I think it would've been better if they hit me instead of having to hang out with you all the ti-
*Seventeen hundred thousand  years in the making, a massive explosion tears apart Dominion.*
Sovereign: Dominion? *clears throat, speaks normally for one in it's entire life* Dom? Look... Dom?
*The reaper does not respond, drifting into the lower atmosphere of Mnemosyne.*
Sovereign: They will pay. *returns to his normal voice* There will be a reckoning the galaxy has never seen.

Thirty seven million years later, Hawking Eta Cluster, Schwartzchild System, planet Etamis.

Cerberus Geologist: You know what I find weird?
Cerberus Archeologist: What?
Cerberus Geologist: If you go over the data again, you find out that this planet lost it's water long after the initial bombardment.
Cerberus Archeologist: Not that long after.
Cerberus Geologist: No, but it's a big enough gap... it's definitely there. Something-
Cerberus Archeologist: The word you're looking for is 'reaper'. Commander Shepard didn't sacrifice it all so people could forget that.
Cerberus Geologist: Sorry. But it's like the Reapers bombed the civilization, then left, then came back and carpet bombed the place until there was no water left on the planet. Why?
Cerberus Archeologist: I dunno... if this thing we're looking for worked, they might've wanted to make sure there'd never be any life on this planet ever again...
*Pause*
Cerberus Geologist: You really think they're that vicious?
Cerberus Archeologist: A race of machines that kills everything in the galaxy every fifty thousand or so years? No, I wouldn't put it past them.

[Someone With Mass]

TTTX wrote...

OR
Tali's mom and Shala were the ones to raise her.

OR Shala is Tali real mother because Rael had a affair with her and therefor helped raise her.

I highly doubt that it's acceptable in quarian society.

[Thundertactics]

TTTX wrote...

OR Shala is Tali real mother because Rael had a affair with her and therefor helped raise her.

That... That's freaking epic, that would be a plot twist beyond belief.
Though it would raise the question why Tali's "fake" mother decided to stay with Rael and raise Tali.

[Goat_Shepard]

MassDestroyer wrote...

*switches disk to ME2*
I can't take the lack of tali romance I have for 2 days but not anymore

Hey now, we all have to survive a Talimanceless ME1. I'm playing ME1 again and it's quite refreshing. Tali's happier.

khevan wrote...
Ah, I see what you mean.  I misunderstood.  But you're right, we don't see anything of her in-game.  But, then, we only have like 4-5 lines from Rael, too.  The difference is that Tali has lines talking about her father, and how he treated her, where she barely mentions her mother.  The writers intentionally made Rael the bad guy, and rightly so.  My anger at him rages with the firey intensity of a thousand burning suns, I don't mean to sound otherwise.  I just wonder why her mom didn't seemingly leave much of an impression, and don't give me the "Mom faded into the background," bit as an excuse.  If so, she let herself fade into Rael's shadow.  As a parent, I can say that with 100% certainty.

She might not have been a good mother. We have no idea how old she was when Rael married her, he probably pursuaded her to marry him for "duty" and she accepted because he could support her and a family. Shala is the real hero in all of this.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 23 juin 2010 - 05:13 .

[TTTX]

Thundertactics wrote...

TTTX wrote...

OR Shala is Tali real mother because Rael had a affair with her and therefor helped raise her.

That... That's freaking epic, that would be a plot twist beyond belief.
Though it would raise the question why Tali's "fake" mother decided to stay with Rael and raise Tali.

Mabey Tali's "mother" couldn't have children that happens sometimes so Rael get's depresed and have a Affair with Shala.

[Goat_Shepard]

Thundertactics wrote...

TTTX wrote...

OR Shala is Tali real mother because Rael had a affair with her and therefor helped raise her.

That... That's freaking epic, that would be a plot twist beyond belief.
Though it would raise the question why Tali's "fake" mother decided to stay with Rael and raise Tali.

lol Rael the scumbag!

And Tali's mom didn't know, she assumed Tali was hers

[khevan]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

khevan wrote...
Ah, I see what you mean.  I misunderstood.  But you're right, we don't see anything of her in-game.  But, then, we only have like 4-5 lines from Rael, too.  The difference is that Tali has lines talking about her father, and how he treated her, where she barely mentions her mother.  The writers intentionally made Rael the bad guy, and rightly so.  My anger at him rages with the firey intensity of a thousand burning suns, I don't mean to sound otherwise.  I just wonder why her mom didn't seemingly leave much of an impression, and don't give me the "Mom faded into the background," bit as an excuse.  If so, she let herself fade into Rael's shadow.  As a parent, I can say that with 100% certainty.

She might not have been a good mother. We have no idea how old she was when Rael married her, he probably pursuaded her to marry him for "duty" and she accepted because he could support her and a family. Shala is the real hero in all of this.

And that was my point from the beginning.  I'm realistic enough to realize that there's alot of information the writers haven't given us, but from what we've got so far, I'm actually fairly upset at Tali's mom.  Rael takes the bulk of my anger, to be sure, but there's definately some ire directed towards her mom.

[Andaius20]

[Someone With Mass]

NCLanceman wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

I'm curious how they managed to set up the shot, really.

They eyeballed it.

Who needs targeting solutions?

*Reaperhistorysnip*

So that's what the Collectors tried to do. They tried to make a copy of Sovereign's...relative?