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[Lividity Jones]

Dark_Helmet wrote...

*in ME3*
*epic final battle between the allies and the Reapers*
Asari admiral: We can't stand up to that kind of fire power! all craft prepare to retreat!
Hackett: Negitive all ships engage those Reapers at point blank range!
Turian admiral: At that range our ships won't last long against those Reapers.
Hackett: We'll do better against them than that Super Reaper! And we might take a few of them with us!
*1 hour of massively epic battle*
Hackett: We did it!
Turian Admiral: We've got ships coming in from the relay.
Hackett: They're Batarians!
Turian Admiral: They're closing to attack range!
Hackett: Good we need the help!
Turian Admiral: They're attacking us not the Reapers!
*There's an Oh sh*t moment*

And that's exactly what those fookin' blinks would do, too.

[RiptideX1090]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

But slavery is still wrong, no matter what fancy words you use to hide it, or in what part of the galaxy you're trying to do it.

I'm pretty sure that indentured servant was lucky that Shepard came by. She kinda did all that to herself.

Having a gambling problem doesn't mean you should work to death in a mine.

And yeah... it's a good thing Shepard came by...

[NuclearBuddha]

RedTracer7 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
I think it's actually kind of lucky SGQ was in the situation she was in. She could have been taken as an ACTUAL slave by people she owed money to, after all.

I agree, and while I know Garrus says that "Illium is just as dangerous as Omega once you fall off the grid", I don't think entering yourself into indentured servitude qualifiies as 'falling off the grid'.  If anything, thanks to the strict regulation and mountains of paperwork probably required to 'enslave' someone, you would be very visible to Illium's government.

There is no actual proof that indentured servitude is anything less than the slave broker described: a heavily regulation contract in which time served eventually equates to debts paid. 

The concept has a tremendously bad rep, but it's better than certain alternatives, yes.

[RedTracer7]

SenHai wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...

We don't have any problem with you SenHai.

Are you sure about that?

Most of us don't.

Welcome, comrade!

[Dark_Helmet]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Dark_Helmet wrote...

*in ME3*
*epic final battle between the allies and the Reapers*
Asari admiral: We can't stand up to that kind of fire power! all craft prepare to retreat!
Hackett: Negitive all ships engage those Reapers at point blank range!
Turian admiral: At that range our ships won't last long against those Reapers.
Hackett: We'll do better against them than that Super Reaper! And we might take a few of them with us!
*1 hour of massively epic battle*
Hackett: We did it!
Turian Admiral: We've got ships coming in from the relay.
Hackett: They're Batarians!
Turian Admiral: They're closing to attack range!
Hackett: Good we need the help!
Turian Admiral: They're attacking us not the Reapers!
*There's an Oh sh*t moment*

And that's exactly what those fookin' blinks would do, too.

Mass Effect 4: The Batarians are taking over

[RiptideX1090]

Andaius20 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...

I'm pretty sure, a two bit baatarian slave ring can find much cheaper slaves other then buying them at high cost on Illium. They are well known for pirating and Raiding for just that purpose.

The Broker has to make a profit. She can't find someone to take the contract.

She either loses a **** load of money for early emancipation, or sells her to a few batarians to so she doesn't have to emancipate, and she gets SOMETHING for her time.

I'm betting batarian wouldn't pay to cover the cost of her doubts. Easier to find a nontraining required job and make all yoru money back wouldnt' it?

Nontraining job.

Like slavery?

[NuclearBuddha]

SenHai wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...
We don't have any problem with you SenHai.

Are you sure about that?

Positive.

[NuclearBuddha]

Lividity Jones wrote...
And that's exactly what those fookin' blinks would do, too.

Not that certain Shepards could really complain about a move like that.

[Dark_Helmet]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Dark_Helmet wrote...

*in ME3*
*epic final battle between the allies and the Reapers*
Asari admiral: We can't stand up to that kind of fire power! all craft prepare to retreat!
Hackett: Negitive all ships engage those Reapers at point blank range!
Turian admiral: At that range our ships won't last long against those Reapers.
Hackett: We'll do better against them than that Super Reaper! And we might take a few of them with us!
*1 hour of massively epic battle*
Hackett: We did it!
Turian Admiral: We've got ships coming in from the relay.
Hackett: They're Batarians!
Turian Admiral: They're closing to attack range!
Hackett: Good we need the help!
Turian Admiral: They're attacking us not the Reapers!
*There's an Oh sh*t moment*

And that's exactly what those fookin' blinks would do, too.

I'm pretty sure that that would be something of a coup on their part.
They'd end up with the other fleets decimated. And they the most powerful race in the galaxy.

[RiptideX1090]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
I think it's actually kind of lucky SGQ was in the situation she was in. She could have been taken as an ACTUAL slave by people she owed money to, after all.

I agree, and while I know Garrus says that "Illium is just as dangerous as Omega once you fall off the grid", I don't think entering yourself into indentured servitude qualifiies as 'falling off the grid'.  If anything, thanks to the strict regulation and mountains of paperwork probably required to 'enslave' someone, you would be very visible to Illium's government.

There is no actual proof that indentured servitude is anything less than the slave broker described: a heavily regulation contract in which time served eventually equates to debts paid. 

The concept has a tremendously bad rep, but it's better than certain alternatives, yes.

I'm sure it has it's moments where it works.

But I'm sure when it's bad, it's ****ing bad.

Even the Eclipse are known as heroes in some circles. Codex.

[Dark_Helmet]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...
And that's exactly what those fookin' blinks would do, too.

Not that certain Shepards could really complain about a move like that.

You'd have to give them credit; They'd take what humanity could do at the Battle of the Citidel and make it work soooooo much better.

[RiptideX1090]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...
And that's exactly what those fookin' blinks would do, too.

Not that certain Shepards could really complain about a move like that.

Definately.

Because as soon as the Reaper war is over, the Slaving Consortium is next on my **** list.

[RedTracer7]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
I think it's actually kind of lucky SGQ was in the situation she was in. She could have been taken as an ACTUAL slave by people she owed money to, after all.

I agree, and while I know Garrus says that "Illium is just as dangerous as Omega once you fall off the grid", I don't think entering yourself into indentured servitude qualifiies as 'falling off the grid'.  If anything, thanks to the strict regulation and mountains of paperwork probably required to 'enslave' someone, you would be very visible to Illium's government.

There is no actual proof that indentured servitude is anything less than the slave broker described: a heavily regulation contract in which time served eventually equates to debts paid. 

The concept has a tremendously bad rep, but it's better than certain alternatives, yes.

Did you fix the grammar mistakes I made in that post, before answering it? 

[RedTracer7]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...
And that's exactly what those fookin' blinks would do, too.

Not that certain Shepards could really complain about a move like that.

Definately.

Because as soon as the Reaper war is over, the Slaving Consortium is next on my **** list.

Does that mean Cerberus is third?

[NuclearBuddha]

RiptideX1090 wrote...
I'm sure it has it's moments where it works.

But I'm sure when it's bad, it's ****ing bad.

Even the Eclipse are known as heroes in some circles. Codex.

You could say that about anything.  High school, marriage, democracy, etc.

I'm comparing two distinct options:

Indenture:  She's on the record, leaving a paper trail, can only be sold to do certain kinds of work, can't be taken off Ilium.

Enslaved by loanshark:  She vanishes offworld to a likely horrible and possibly lingering death.

[NuclearBuddha]

RedTracer7 wrote...
Did you fix the grammar mistakes I made in that post, before answering it? 

Huh?  Oh, no, not usually.  I just spotted that "now" and my OCD fired up suddenly.

[cannedcream]

Dark_Helmet wrote...

Mass Effect 4: The Batarians are taking over

Aaaaand I would buy that.

Hell, I'd buy Mass Effect 4: Shepard Waits In Line At The DMV, just as long as it had Tali in it.

[Dark_Helmet]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...
And that's exactly what those fookin' blinks would do, too.

Not that certain Shepards could really complain about a move like that.

Definately.

Because as soon as the Reaper war is over, the Slaving Consortium is next on my **** list.

*during the epic three way battle between the allies/the Reapers/ and the Batarians*
Shepard: Hackett we did it the Super Reapers shields are down!
Hackett: All frigate an fighter groups converge on that monster!
Joker: Yes sir!  Red group! Gold group! Everybody follow me!
*The frigates and fighters go off to destroy the Super Reaper's Mass Effect core*
Hackett: Now we just have to hold these bastards off until the Super Reaper is destroyed.
Hackett: Coporal get me my admiral's hat!
Coporal: Uhhm your hat?
Hackett: Yes the one that belonged to my distance ancestor Heratio Nelson! *he starts pacing on the deck of his ship* We're gonna get old school ship to ship combat on their asses!!!!!!

[NuclearBuddha]

Dark_Helmet wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...
And that's exactly what those fookin' blinks would do, too.

Not that certain Shepards could really complain about a move like that.

You'd have to give them credit; They'd take what humanity could do at the Battle of the Citidel and make it work soooooo much better.

Maybe.  You have to remember that humanity actually managed to bloody the turians before the Council called it off.  The game seems to suggest that the humans can maintain order the in galaxy even while hated.  The batarians?  They can't even wage a successful proxy war against humanity.

[Andaius20]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...

I'm pretty sure, a two bit baatarian slave ring can find much cheaper slaves other then buying them at high cost on Illium. They are well known for pirating and Raiding for just that purpose.

The Broker has to make a profit. She can't find someone to take the contract.

She either loses a **** load of money for early emancipation, or sells her to a few batarians to so she doesn't have to emancipate, and she gets SOMETHING for her time.

I'm betting batarian wouldn't pay to cover the cost of her doubts. Easier to find a nontraining required job and make all yoru money back wouldnt' it?

Nontraining job.

Like slavery?

no I'm talking, waitress, manual labor, store clerk, secretary that type of stuff. ones that you don't need special skills in or will train you on the job.

[cannedcream]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
I'm sure it has it's moments where it works.

But I'm sure when it's bad, it's ****ing bad.

Even the Eclipse are known as heroes in some circles. Codex.

You could say that about anything.  High school, marriage, democracy, etc.

I'm comparing two distinct options:

Indenture:  She's on the record, leaving a paper trail, can only be sold to do certain kinds of work, can't be taken off Ilium.

Enslaved by loanshark:  She vanishes offworld to a likely horrible and possibly lingering death.

Indentured servitude is also less likely to get your fingers broken when you can't pay.
I'll take servitude over loanshark any day.

[Lividity Jones]

cannedcream wrote...
Hell, I'd buy Mass Effect 4: Shepard Waits In Line At The DMV, just as long as it had Tali in it.

Tali: Ugh! This is taking forever, Shepard.

[RiptideX1090]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
I'm sure it has it's moments where it works.

But I'm sure when it's bad, it's ****ing bad.

Even the Eclipse are known as heroes in some circles. Codex.

You could say that about anything.  High school, marriage, democracy, etc.

I'm comparing two distinct options:

Indenture:  She's on the record, leaving a paper trail, can only be sold to do certain kinds of work, can't be taken off Ilium.

Enslaved by loanshark:  She vanishes offworld to a likely horrible and possibly lingering death.

Smugglers. Slavers. If they really want to, they could get someone off world. Just saying.

Either way, some sytems are far too easily abused, and this one is used on a planet that borders a system where slavery is not only legal, it's encouraged. There's broken, then there is just being stupid. Pretty it up however you like, without Shepard, that whole affair could have gone just as bad as if she'd ended up with a Loanshark. I'm sure it has countless times in the past. It's a system that needs to be crushed.