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[RedTracer7]

 Oh lord.... must not.... Cerberus.... ends justify....

Modifié par RedTracer7, 02 juillet 2010 - 07:31 .

[Someone With Mass]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Letting them burn, as a message to him and all of Cerberus?

Even more badass.

The heretic geth used a similar tactic, and it worked. People know that they should stay the f**k away from the Veil now.

[RedTracer7]

Someone With Mass wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Letting them burn, as a message to him and all of Cerberus?

Even more badass.

The heretic geth used a similar tactic, and it worked. People know that they should stay the f**k away from the Veil now.

Just noticed the symbolism with the Quarians originating from behind the Perseus Veil.

[CptSkull]

Maybe we'll go to the Geth/Quarian homeworld in the next game.

[cannedcream]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Because I don't lure quarians to their deaths and horrifying torture.

I don't torture little girls the point of insanity.

I don't raze colonies to the ground and run Thresher acid through the blood of the survivors.

I don't pay slavers to keep giving me biotic children for horrific experiments that result in death.

I STOP this ****.

That's how I'm different.

And yet you'll send an entire crew that's faithfully served and worked under you to their deaths for you own ends? You'll use, abuse, and manipulate?

[Bigbar]

CptSkull wrote...

Maybe we'll go to the Geth/Quarian homeworld in the next game.

we can hope

[Azint]

Murdering your crew after they pledge their undying loyatly to you simply because of associations is a very, very rash decision to make. The way Cerberus is organized is into cells, each cell is completely insular to one another, none of them are tied at all other than the fact that they work for Cerberus. Cerberus is a reputed terrorist organization, true, but does that make everyone in Cerberus a terrorist? 

Take Engineers Ken and Gabby for instance, they are completely unaware of the activites outside of the Lazarus Cell, they admit the only reason they joined was to support Shepard. Most of the crew qualifies for this, they are tasked to aid you in any way because they want to end the Reaper threat. By the end of the game, if you destroy the Collector base, you end up snubbing The Illusive Man. That act proves to yourself that you are not going to let him control your mission, by that action, you have betrayed Cerberus. The crew has a right to mutiny against you because you have turned against your employer and superior, the crew stays loyal to you. They believe in something greater than humanity, they want t help preserve what you are fighting for. In fact, if you do turn over the technology to Cerberus, Miranda of all people has doubt about furthering TIM's gaols. So is it right to kill them because they are still technically Cerberus?

By that logic, Tali should pay for whatever actions the Migrant Fleet end up in. After all, she is associated with them just as much as the Lazarus Cell is to Cerberus.

Modifié par Azint, 02 juillet 2010 - 07:38 .

[RedTracer7]

CptSkull wrote...

Maybe we'll go to the Geth/Quarian homeworld in the next game.

If Rannoch doesn't show up on the galactic map, I'll flip a nut.

[cannedcream]

Azint wrote...

Murdering your crew after they pledge their undying loyatly to you simply because of associations is a very, very rash decision to make. The way Cerberus is organized is into cells, each cell is completely insular to one another, none of them are tied at all other than the fact that they work for Cerberus. Cerberus is a reputed terrorist organization, true, but does that make everyone in Cerberus a terrorist? 

Take Engineers Ken and Gabby for instance, they are completely unaware of the activites outside of the Lazarus Cell, they admit the only reason they joined was to support Shepard. Most of the crew qualifies for this, they are tasked to aid you in any way because they want to end the Reaper threat. By the end of the game, if you destroy the Collector base, you end up snubbing The Illusive Man. That act proves to yourself that you are not going to let him control your mission, by that action, you have betrayed Cerberus. The crew has a right to mutiny against you because you have turned against yout employer and superior, the crew stays loyal to you. They believe in something greater than humanity, they want t help preserve what you are fighting for. In fact, if you do turn over the technology to Cerberus, Miranda of all people has doubt about furthering TIM's gaols. So is it right to kill them because they are still technically Cerberus?

By that logic, Tali should pay for whatever actions the Migrant Fleet end up in. After all, she is associated with them just as much as the Lazarus Cell is to Cerberus.

Exactly. Thank you, Azint.

[Azint]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Because I don't lure quarians to their deaths and horrifying torture.

I don't torture little girls the point of insanity.

I don't raze colonies to the ground and run Thresher acid through the blood of the survivors.

I don't pay slavers to keep giving me biotic children for horrific experiments that result in death.

I STOP this ****.

That's how I'm different.

Yet you are willing to murder your crew just for having these ties. You are literally using them to further your own ends, as TIM would gladly do.

[Someone With Mass]

cannedcream wrote...

And yet you'll send an entire crew that's faithfully served and worked under you to their deaths for you own ends? You'll use, abuse, and manipulate?

So...it's okay for TIM to kill off entire colonies, but the second we *ahem* "sacrifice" the crew it's a no-no?

Alright, I'm being selfish, but better them than me.

[RiptideX1090]

cannedcream wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Because I don't lure quarians to their deaths and horrifying torture.

I don't torture little girls the point of insanity.

I don't raze colonies to the ground and run Thresher acid through the blood of the survivors.

I don't pay slavers to keep giving me biotic children for horrific experiments that result in death.

I STOP this ****.

That's how I'm different.

And yet you'll send an entire crew that's faithfully served and worked under you to their deaths for you own ends? You'll use, abuse, and manipulate?

Definately.

At the end of the day, they work for Cerberus, for the Illusive Man. Tali, Garrus, they work for me. I trust them. Same with Joker and Chakwas. Even EDI and the rest of my ground team. I've helped them, and they've helped me where I needed it. The rest? No. Playing cards with me does not mean I'm willing to sacrifice the lives of my crew for you.

Bare in mind, I always go for Legion as early as possible, and am always faced with the choice, Crew? Or Squadmate Death? Guess which I will always pick.

The entire orginization will burn, and then, after Shepard has died, it will be dead forever.

I am at peace with that.

[Thelacan]

RedTracer7 wrote...

 Oh lord.... must not.... Cerberus.... ends justify....

Just to distract you from disturbing thoughts... How are your fics progressing? 

[cannedcream]

RedTracer7 wrote...

CptSkull wrote...

Maybe we'll go to the Geth/Quarian homeworld in the next game.

If Rannoch doesn't show up on the galactic map, I'll flip a nut.

Pretty much. As much as an end to the geth/quarian war has been hyped up in the first two games, if we don't get SOMETHING from this I'm going to be seven layers of disappoint.

[Azint]

Someone With Mass wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

And yet you'll send an entire crew that's faithfully served and worked under you to their deaths for you own ends? You'll use, abuse, and manipulate?

So...it's okay for TIM to kill off entire colonies, but the second we *ahem* "sacrifice" the crew it's a no-no?

Alright, I'm being selfish, but better them than me.

That is indeed selfish, and does that make you better?

[RiptideX1090]

Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Because I don't lure quarians to their deaths and horrifying torture.

I don't torture little girls the point of insanity.

I don't raze colonies to the ground and run Thresher acid through the blood of the survivors.

I don't pay slavers to keep giving me biotic children for horrific experiments that result in death.

I STOP this ****.

That's how I'm different.

Yet you are willing to murder your crew just for having these ties. You are literally using them to further your own ends, as TIM would gladly do.

Irony is a ****.

[CptSkull]

Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Because I don't lure quarians to their deaths and horrifying torture.

I don't torture little girls the point of insanity.

I don't raze colonies to the ground and run Thresher acid through the blood of the survivors.

I don't pay slavers to keep giving me biotic children for horrific experiments that result in death.

I STOP this ****.

That's how I'm different.

Yet you are willing to murder your crew just for having these ties. You are literally using them to further your own ends, as TIM would gladly do.

I guess giving Cerberus the Collecter base was bad thing then.

[Raid1000]

CptSkull wrote...

Maybe we'll go to the Geth/Quarian homeworld in the next game.

I hope we will see Human homeworld too... How was it called?

[RedTracer7]

Thelacan wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...

 Oh lord.... must not.... Cerberus.... ends justify....

Just to distract you from disturbing thoughts... How are your fics progressing? 

From Beneath the Veil:

Years, no... at least a decade.  I have dreamed of this experience, or something like it, for a decade.  I've explored every possibilty, every eventuallity.  I had done research, on how things happened and how I would probably react, in preperation.  But nothing... by Keelah nothing had prepared me for this amount of pain.  I never thought a red flower would literally bring me to my knees.  I never expected the scent of a plant would bring forth a deluge of tears.  I never knew how much I was missing.

Beneath the Veil is progressing well.  A Creed Unhinged... slowly, but at least I am working on it.  And my secret project... is proving difficult.  Delayed, I would call it for now.

[Bigbar]

I want to see what all this dark energy bit is about

[Bigbar]

I want to see what all this dark energy bit is about(once again fail i think its a sign)

Modifié par Bigbar, 02 juillet 2010 - 07:42 .

[Azint]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Definately.

At the end of the day, they work for Cerberus, for the Illusive Man. Tali, Garrus, they work for me. I trust them. Same with Joker and Chakwas. Even EDI and the rest of my ground team. I've helped them, and they've helped me where I needed it. The rest? No. Playing cards with me does not mean I'm willing to sacrifice the lives of my crew for you.

Bare in mind, I always go for Legion as early as possible, and am always faced with the choice, Crew? Or Squadmate Death? Guess which I will always pick.

The entire orginization will burn, and then, after Shepard has died, it will be dead forever.

I am at peace with that.

You use these people, then dispose of them because you do not find any further use of them. And you feel fine about it? By those means, Shepard is hardly any better than the monsters he fights.

[Someone With Mass]

RedTracer7 wrote...

CptSkull wrote...

Maybe we'll go to the Geth/Quarian homeworld in the next game.

If Rannoch doesn't show up on the galactic map, I'll flip a nut.

Rannoch: Launch rescue mission.

[Azint]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Irony is a ****.

So explain to me how you are the good guy here.

[RiptideX1090]

Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Definately.

At the end of the day, they work for Cerberus, for the Illusive Man. Tali, Garrus, they work for me. I trust them. Same with Joker and Chakwas. Even EDI and the rest of my ground team. I've helped them, and they've helped me where I needed it. The rest? No. Playing cards with me does not mean I'm willing to sacrifice the lives of my crew for you.

Bare in mind, I always go for Legion as early as possible, and am always faced with the choice, Crew? Or Squadmate Death? Guess which I will always pick.

The entire orginization will burn, and then, after Shepard has died, it will be dead forever.

I am at peace with that.

You use these people, then dispose of them because you do not find any further use of them. And you feel fine about it? By those means, Shepard is hardly any better than the monsters he fights.

They signed up for a suicide mission. They knew they were going to die. Cerberus needed me. I needed them. When I no longer needed them, when EDI became my crew and my ship, I had no more use for them. I did not intend to sacrifice Tali, or Garrus, for a bunch of god damn terrorists. Not a chance in hell.

They are Cerberus. Seems appropriate they burn in hell.

The Illusive Man is next.