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[Pacifien]

Phil725 wrote...
I see it differently because I have a little sister, and romantic feelings for Tali aside, the friendship between Tali and Shep hardly goes into the little sister territory for me.  They are much more like very close friends, or even just brother/sister in general.  Little sister to me implies that Shep is protecting her and teaching her about the world, and that the little sister will go along with what the big brother says, that she looks up to him to some extent.  I could see this case being made in ME1, but its definitely not true in ME2.  Tali is perfectly fine being an independent person, and she is more than ok standing up for herself, while she respects Shep, she is hardly worshipping him and following him around.

Maybe that's more along the lines of semantics though.

I think it probably is semantics. I only used the term "little sister" because it was mentioned already in the discussion. I'd go through the whole game without a romance really.

Anyway, if someone feels Tali's a little sister in ME1, even if she becomes a more independent individual by ME2, it's kind of hard to change that gut sibling feeling for some people. Really, if you keep viewing your little sister as someone who needs protection and mentoring well into her adulthood, it'll drive her up the wall. But you probably won't be able to help it because she will always be your little sister.

[Tairis Deamhan]

uhdnrt wrote...

hmmmm....my music no longer pleases the muse (unable to find inspiration to write. Any suggestions for types of music?

Personally fond of piano covers:

[mikethor007]

uhdnrt wrote...

hmmmm....my music no longer pleases the muse (unable to find inspiration to write. Any suggestions for types of music?

That music prompt failed?

[Tairis Deamhan]

mikethor007 wrote...

Tairis Deamhan wrote...

A wild fic appears!

social.bioware.com/511958/blog/6421/

Go read and give feedback instead of arguing over Tali's age! (Yes said fic is heavily Tali related )

Done and Done.

Thanks for that btw. Its rather hard to tell how things go over if I cant get people to say anything. And FF.net readers arent terribly talkative it seems.

[Pacifien]

Azint wrote...

Someone (Lividity Jones?) wrote...
It matters when people accuse us of being rapists for romancing Tali.

And you let what other people think bother you?

Edit: Crap, I got the quotes wrong. I can't remember who said the first part.

Since someone mentioned the pedophilia word and now someone is saying they're being accused of rape, I thought I'd go back to where I came into the discussion. I saw someone refer to Tali as young and being a little sister, and that's why they couldn't romance her, but I don't think anyone came in here to specifically accuse all people who romance Tali of pedophilia and rape. Unless the conversation goes back much further than I bothered to check.

Maybe you guys have had that flamewar many many many times in the past, but I don't think this is one of them.

Modifié par Pacifien, 03 juillet 2010 - 02:28 .

[CptSkull]

Someone With Mass wrote...

CptSkull wrote...

So?

That all started because some guy on a forum said Mass Effect was all about sex. Can you imagine what Fox will say if they think you can do it with minors.

[Phil725]

Pacifien wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
It does take place during college years, the very end of college years when you're ready to go into the real world and succeed.  That's my whole point.  Tali on her pilgrimage is like a college student about to graduate, not an incoming freshman.  Accelerated upbrining or not, she would not have been ready for her pilgrimage at 18, but she clearly was at 22.

I've known 18 year olds far more prepared for the trials of life than a 22 year old. Or a 25 year old. A lot of that probably has to do with what they had to do as they grew up.

I have no problem with people thinking Tali is 22 and they certainly have the website to back them up. I personally think she was younger and I have the inconsistencies of the website to allow for that leeway.

This is getting into the whole territory of anything in a fictional setting is possible because it can't officially be proven untrue.  There is certainly no real evidence backing up Tali being younger than stated other than personal opinion that she comes across as so. 

Also, I may be misremembering, but wasn't it stated (in the same place as the correction of Mordin's age I believe,) that the age listed is no more than a human equivalent?  With the quarian similar lifespan, Tali's doesn't change.

And I still maintain that being clueless to the way things around the galaxy work doesn't mean she's younger.  She could have stayed on the flotilla until she was 40 and would still be finding these things out at the same time.  Her accelerated upbringing means that she's able to fight and save the galaxy, not sell scrap parts on Omega.  The age doesn't change.

[Pacifien]

Azint wrote...
Shepard is 31, without a doubt. Two years dead does not mean the character is exempt from time. Shepard may only be 29 physically, but the two years still do count.*snip*

I suspect with Alliance tampering and now Cerberus upgrades, Shepard could be a lot younger than 29 physically.

[Someone With Mass]

uhdnrt wrote...

hmmmm....my music no longer pleases the muse (unable to find inspiration to write. Any suggestions for types of music?

Well, I'm listening to an old friend at the moment.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 03 juillet 2010 - 02:29 .

[Collider]

Fox would just make a fool of themselves again. This happened before with their show on Mass Effect - I imagine they may be a little more cautious this time and a little more willing to check their facts before jumping the gun and essentially declaring Mass Effect to be the unholy work of satan.

[epoch_]

Kira Shepard wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Azint wrote...

You know, Romeo and Juliet were sixteen and fourteen years old, respectively, when they did it. Yet no one is throwing fits about that.
Does it really matter how old either character is? Do these speculative connotations really bother you so, or the accusations?

It matters when people accuse us of being rapists for romancing Tali.

Yeah.

If anyone is raping anyone, it's Tali raping Shepard.

I saw that pounce.

Can't rape the willing.

http://en.wikipedia..../Statutory_rape

[uhdnrt]

mikethor007 wrote...

uhdnrt wrote...

hmmmm....my music no longer pleases the muse (unable to find inspiration to write. Any suggestions for types of music?

That music prompt failed?

Nope - just mys current music playlist (Protomen, Sun Kil Moon, and Metroid Metal) is not inspiring like I desire.  Need a new inspiration.  Preferably with lyrics.

[Tairis Deamhan]

Someone With Mass wrote...

uhdnrt wrote...

hmmmm....my music no longer pleases the muse (unable to find inspiration to write. Any suggestions for types of music?

Well, I'm listening to an old friend at the moment.

Atm my 'writing' list mostly consists of a few of the ME soundtracks, some violin and piano instrumental. Peppered with a few lyrical songs. I've found Slipknot's Snuff good for writing those 'self destructive Shepard' scenes.

Modifié par Tairis Deamhan, 03 juillet 2010 - 02:30 .

[Someone With Mass]

CptSkull wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

CptSkull wrote...

So?

That all started because some guy on a forum said Mass Effect was all about sex. Can you imagine what Fox will say if they think you can do it with minors.

As if anyone except the easily tricked parents took Fox News seriously....

[uhdnrt]

Someone With Mass wrote...

uhdnrt wrote...

hmmmm....my music no longer pleases the muse (unable to find inspiration to write. Any suggestions for types of music?

Well, I'm listening to an old friend at the moment.

I have both soundtracks.  Unfortunately, they are conducive to THINKING, but not writing for me.

Might have to go back to my old faithful (Linkin Park, KMFDM, and Coheed and Cambria)

Modifié par uhdnrt, 03 juillet 2010 - 02:35 .

[CptSkull]

Collider wrote...

Fox would just make a fool of themselves again. This happened before with their show on Mass Effect - I imagine they may be a little more cautious this time and a little more willing to check their facts before jumping the gun and essentially declaring Mass Effect to be the unholy work of satan.

I know, but the unwanted attention made BioWare not show alot in the love scenes in ME2, just a kiss and a fade to black and maybe alittle more.

[RiptideX1090]

Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Not the last time I checked...

Huh. You raise an interesting point.

Azint? Isn't tonight an AOD night?

If you're willing to wait. I have some plans tonight.

Fine by me.

[epoch_]

No one's going to touch that one, are they?

Modifié par epoch_, 03 juillet 2010 - 02:34 .

[Pacifien]

Phil725 wrote...
This is getting into the whole territory of anything in a fictional setting is possible because it can't officially be proven untrue.  There is certainly no real evidence backing up Tali being younger than stated other than personal opinion that she comes across as so. 

Also, I may be misremembering, but wasn't it stated (in the same place as the correction of Mordin's age I believe,) that the age listed is no more than a human equivalent?  With the quarian similar lifespan, Tali's doesn't change.

I'm really not going to take the website as evidence of anything. Even some details from the books have been contradicted in the game. But then we get into the realm of other fandoms where there are levels of canon. I've never bothered, which always made discussions frustrating to, say, avid Star Wars book readers.

Christina Norman mentioned human equivalent ages, but I think that was simply trying to take the easy way out for the discrepency in Mordin's age. But then someone should have probably written Samara's age as 45 or so.

Why do I think of Tali as being 20 versus 24? Her demeanor reminds me of 20 versus 24 from people I have known in my own life. That's how it goes.

[Azint]

Pacifien wrote...

Since someone mentioned the pedophilia word and now someone is saying they're being accused of rape, I thought I'd go back to where I came into the discussion. I saw someone refer to Tali as young and being a little sister, and that's why they couldn't romance her, but I don't think anyone came in here to specifically accuse all people who romance Tali of pedophilia and rape. Unless the conversation goes back much further than I bothered to check.

Maybe you guys have had that flamewar many many many times in the past, but I don't think this is one of them.

If I were to make an issue about her romance; I would not choose pedophilia or rape as my arguement. Both words are strongly used, and people get upset when they are thrown around. It is bad for the arguement when even one party is making an issue of semantics in a fictional setting that has events far more questionable than simple age differences in a romance.

[CptSkull]

Someone With Mass wrote...

CptSkull wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

CptSkull wrote...

So?

That all started because some guy on a forum said Mass Effect was all about sex. Can you imagine what Fox will say if they think you can do it with minors.

As if anyone except the easily tricked parents took Fox News seriously....

You be surprised by the amount of dumb parents in world.

[Alphyn]

Why are we talking about raping Tali? Surely, there must be something else to talk about! D:

[Alphyn]

epoch_ wrote...

No one's going to touch that one, are they?

I did.

>.>

<.<

[Azint]

CptSkull wrote...

You be surprised by the amount of dumb parents people in world.

Your post had a correction to be made.

[Collider]

CptSkull wrote...
I know, but the unwanted attention made BioWare not show alot in the love scenes in ME2, just a kiss and a fade to black and maybe alittle more.

I don't mind such scenes. I find the emotion and dialog behind the scenes to be exponentially more important. I didn't care for Miranda's scene at all. It was meaningless (so far as the scene portrays) sex. Jacob's romance scene is criticized for absolutely horrid dialog despite similar display of skin. As I understand, Jack's romance scene is to at least some people the less implying of actual sex, and by many is considered the best romance scene in the game (that is an opinion - don't kill me for saying it).

I really liked that each scene in ME2 was unique, rather than the cut and paste barbie dolls in ME1. The ME2 scenes - aside from Jacob and Miranda - had more meaning to them in my opinion.