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[Lividity Jones]

Pacifien wrote...

Well, if Lividity Jones wants suggestions for another mini-fic that can jumpstart a completely different conversation, I do resuggest my Tali enters Dr. Michel's clinic for the first time.

Hmm... Alright... I think I can handle that.

Do we know where Tali got shot specifically?

I don't think that's ever elaborated on...

[Skadhi1]

Pacifien wrote...

Well, if Lividity Jones wants suggestions for another mini-fic that can jumpstart a completely different conversation, I do resuggest my Tali enters Dr. Michel's clinic for the first time.

It would be an interesting one.

[Collider]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Collider wrote...

Rip, was it Rael sending her on the missions, or was it the Admiralty Board in general? I thought it was the Admiralty Board in general and Rael just said to Tali to pick up whatever geth parts she could find while conducting the missions.

Which means he was totally cool with it.

Not necessarily, but point taken.

Would you be dandy about sending your only child into a place filled with genocidal robots?

No.
You know...I've been going back and forth between Rael being a selfless father and or an selfish extremist and overbearing father who viewed his daughter as a trophy and tool, in the past half hour. WTF

[SpatFieya]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Dude.

A simple "I love you, Tali. I'm proud of you." Is NOT that hard. Not after everything she's done. Not after everything she's ENDURED. For him.

Tali deserved better. She got better.

This. THIS.

Maybe this is why she's a work-aholic in some cases. It all stems from her wanting to be told from him, someone she loves, that they are proud of her. She's always used to a lot being expected from her, so habitually, she's always pushing her self above and beyond. It's not that she needs to do it, but it's something that she can't just stop.

I guess that's why I'm so drawn to her, I've known many a good girl with this. Never being told their own father/mother or family is proud of them. Just work, work, work. They can be masters of covering true emotions. But those closest to them know, that they aren't truly happy. 

They just want someone to love them, be proud of them.

[nitefyre410]

Pacifien wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...
*snip*
Rael was selfless in his efforts to give Tali a home, ignoring the damage his absence did to her.

Some good people simply don't know what it takes to be a good parent. Would Han'Gerrol and Shala'Raan really say Rael was a bad person as a contemporary? He drove his only child to extremes to the point where she could both appreciate all that she had to learn as well as resent everything it took to get her there.

I don't think Tali will look back on her father for his failures in her upbringing or how he came to his end so much as everything else he accomplished that improved the fleet.

  

Rael did the best he could with what he was given,  Tragedy of the whole Alerei incident is that it shows how much of a no win situation that the Quarians are in, they can't take back the home world  by force that would be suicide Qwib Qwib and Ra'an   know that, but the y can keep going they  are going and  settling on a knew is just as bad especially with a  military presence to protect  the settlement.    Reegar reveals that there Marines are good a strike ops,  covert  special operations  behind enemy lines but in a long drawn out full scale conflict they would lose and lose bad.  The bottom line is the Council hung them out to dry.... The more  I think about it i don't how is worst the Council or Cerberus  

[nickFury]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Well, if Lividity Jones wants suggestions for another mini-fic that can jumpstart a completely different conversation, I do resuggest my Tali enters Dr. Michel's clinic for the first time.

Hmm... Alright... I think I can handle that.

Do we know where Tali got shot specifically?

I don't think that's ever elaborated on...

probably grased an extremity since it must not have been that serious

[Aesaar]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Aesaar wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Aesaar wrote...

Rael: The most flanderised character in this thread.

"I know he cares about me, but he never really showed it." Tali's words.

Now, pretty much everyone's taken that to mean the only times he ever spent with Tali were spent giving orders. Other than that, he doesn't care.

Ridiculous.

Considering the fact that his dying words to her were orders, yeah.

He never struck me as someone who'll put sentimentality above actually solving a problem.  Sure, he could have done the same thing as the mother on one of videos and died while telling her he loves her, but really, what does that accomplish?  Doesn't solve the problem.  Instead, he does something practical, which could prevent Tali from being exiled (if she'd done as he wanted).

Dude.

A simple "I love you, Tali. I'm proud of you." Is NOT that hard. Not after everything she's done. Not after everything she's ENDURED. For him.

Tali deserved better. She got better.

He was shot right after he finished telling her how to disable the geth.  It's quite possible he just didn't have the time.

And please.  Endured?  While I hugely enjoyed Noir, it isn't canon, and it might not be representative of the two years she's gone through.  She might not have even left the Fleet until recently.  Don't use your awesome fanfic as proof, unless it gets endorsed by Bioware.

Lividity Jones wrote...
So because of practicality, he's excused for being emotionally absent and, as a whole, abusive?

In that situation, completely.  I don't have enough info about Rael to draw a conclusion for the rest of the time (The comments in ME1 only say he was distant.  Her comments in ME2 were made during a very stressful time for her, and shouldn't be taken entirely at face value).

And for your comment on sending family on suicide missions: Tali's the best engineer in the Fleet.  He wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't use every asset available to get the job done.  In addition, who said Tali didn't volunteer for Haestrom?  She might have.


EDIT: Damn am I slow.

Modifié par Aesaar, 04 juillet 2010 - 03:13 .

[Lividity Jones]

nickFury wrote...

probably grased an extremity since it must not have been that serious

If she couldn't patch it herself, then it was definitely serious.

[BTG_01]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Well, if Lividity Jones wants suggestions for another mini-fic that can jumpstart a completely different conversation, I do resuggest my Tali enters Dr. Michel's clinic for the first time.

Hmm... Alright... I think I can handle that.

Do we know where Tali got shot specifically?

I don't think that's ever elaborated on...

I always thought she was shot in the arm for some reason, but I don't think it's ever explicitly stated. It might explain why she had that metal arm in ME1.

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
*snip*
Totally agreed, I've never understood the whole "let her get things off her chest" explanation for weeping over her dead father, or the earlier conversation.  There's plenty of time for that stuff later, right now, she needs comforted by the one person that cares for her above all else.

It's not as if Shepard cannot comfort Tali if he does not hug her. Because he can. Literally.

He could, but he doesn't if you don't hug her, he just stands there.  That falls in the whole disconnect between the player and Shep category.  The game gives you two options, comfort hug/stand there and let her cry.

[Collider]

Cerberus is worse than the Council. IMO. The Council's actions may not produce the best results, but have they ever done something like experimentation on children? No. The genophage I can understand because many people saw the Krogan as being unrepeatable conquerors otherwise. And what was the experimentation on children for other than just to see how far human biotics can be pushed? That's much less defensible.

[Kikaimegami]

The way the Council treated the quarians is completely inexcusable. They didn't create AI on purpose, you jackasses.

[epoch_]

BTG_01 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Well, if Lividity Jones wants suggestions for another mini-fic that can jumpstart a completely different conversation, I do resuggest my Tali enters Dr. Michel's clinic for the first time.

Hmm... Alright... I think I can handle that.

Do we know where Tali got shot specifically?

I don't think that's ever elaborated on...

I always thought she was shot in the arm for some reason, but I don't think it's ever explicitly stated. It might explain why she had that metal arm in ME1.

Its a prosthetic.

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
*snip*
Totally agreed, I've never understood the whole "let her get things off her chest" explanation for weeping over her dead father, or the earlier conversation.  There's plenty of time for that stuff later, right now, she needs comforted by the one person that cares for her above all else.

It's not as if Shepard cannot comfort Tali if he does not hug her. Because he can. Literally.

He could, but he doesn't if you don't hug her, he just stands there.

What do you mean? Have you ever not hugged her? Shepard has options to comfort her even without hugging her.

That falls in the whole disconnect between the player and Shep category.  The game gives you two options, comfort hug/stand there and let her cry.

For the record, my canon Shepard hugs her. But I still like, in the metagame sense, not hugging her because I got more (voiced) emotion that way and I learn more things about her. If you don't hug her, IIRC, for example you get to learn that she got the best military and engineering training the Flotilla could offer.

[nickFury]

Lividity Jones wrote...

nickFury wrote...

probably grased an extremity since it must not have been that serious

If she couldn't patch it herself, then it was definitely serious.

perhaps but keep in mind she wasn't with dr michelle for very long she came in got patched up and was on the run again

[Someone With Mass]

Lividity Jones wrote...

nickFury wrote...

probably grased an extremity since it must not have been that serious

If she couldn't patch it herself, then it was definitely serious.

AH, it was probably just a flesh wound.

Maybe she was shot in her thigh.

Now that requires extra careful handling...

[nickFury]

Kikaimegami wrote...

The way the Council treated the quarians is completely inexcusable. They didn't create AI on purpose, you jackasses.

this, and technicaly the geth arn't even true AIs

[Pacifien]

I assume Tali was shot while she was on the Citadel. I imagine as soon as she got the recordings from the damaged geth, the geth were onto her. And if the geth were chasing her, Saren was chasing her. So she ran to the one place she could think of that she might be able to hide and find help (that doesn't lead the geth directly back to the Migrant Fleet).

Saren likely knew she was on the station with evidence that could incriminate him, so he went to various sources to tell them to be on the lookout for the quarian. That's the only way I can figure Fist would have known to sell Tali out to Saren rather than deliver her to the Shadow Broker.

Who knows how long she was trying to evade capture before she was shot. Also, can't quite remember the conversation with Dr. Michel, but I can imagine upon hearing about Tali's plight, it was Dr. Michel's suggestion to get into contact with the Shadow Broker. Makes more sense that way, at least, as I don't know why a quarian on her pilgrimage would really know about the Shadow Broker.

[Auzden]

tali's fav color is purple no? lol thats the only simularity we share..

[Collider]

I'm not sure if the Council's action were completely indefensible. After all, although inadvertently, the Quarians' actions did result in the Geth developing sapience. I don't actually agree with what the Council did though - that was far too inconsiderate and ignorant of them to do.

[BTG_01]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

@Epoch - That was disbanded. It's not prostetic.

I figured it was some kind of high-tec combat arm cast.

Modifié par BTG_01, 04 juillet 2010 - 03:16 .

[Skadhi1]

Collider wrote...

 And what was the experimentation on children for other than just to see how far human biotics can be pushed? That's much less defensible.

That was a rogue operation.

The Counsel, on the other hand, caused genocide when the Rachni were eliminated, near-genocide of the Krogan, and - perhaps - slow genocide of the Quarians.

Cerberus looks remarkably good-hearted in comparison.

[Kikaimegami]

nickFury wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...

The way the Council treated the quarians is completely inexcusable. They didn't create AI on purpose, you jackasses.

this, and technicaly the geth arn't even true AIs

They're a gestalt AI.