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[epoch_]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

I truly hope that was a joke.

I do not joke. But I'm tired of taking your bull****. Knock it off I'm not in the mood tonight.

Are you ever?

[Phil725]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...

The way the Council treated the quarians is completely inexcusable. They didn't create AI on purpose, you jackasses.

I'm just stunned by how the salarians can get away with almost commiting genocide on two races, and still have their seat on the Council but when the quarians made an AI that didn't even leave the Veil or attack until a certain person gave them the right motivation to do so, it was like they'd opened a portal to hell.

Everything the quarians requested was denied. Their embassy was taken away from them. Planets that could've been colonized by them were denied as well.

The Council is just made of a bunch of blind, stubborn morons.

I highly doubt the quarians negative treatment or the salarians favorable treatment was any result of judgment of the offenses.  Salarians had power at the time, and quarians didn't.  The quarians were probably looking for more power, and the council races clearly don't want to give that up.  Its all politics.

[SpatFieya]

Pacifien wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
I'm just stunned by how the salarians can get away with almost commiting genocide on two races, and still have their seat on the Council but when the quarians made an AI that didn't even leave the Veil or attack until a certain person gave them the right motivation to do so, it was like they'd opened a portal to hell.

Well, you know, perk of being on the Council is that you're on the Council. Salarians had themselves covered.

I opt for an epic ball smashing speech by Shepard to the council to get the Quarians back on the citadel. 

[nickFury]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Aesaar wrote...


He was shot right after he finished telling her how to disable the geth.  It's quite possible he just didn't have the time.

And please.  Endured?  While I hugely enjoyed Noir, it isn't canon, and it might not be representative of the two years she's gone through.  She might not have even left the Fleet until recently.  Don't use your awesome fanfic as proof, unless it gets endorsed by Bioware.

What we know:

She's been shot at least twice.

She's taken at least one suicide mission on Haestrom. Without Shepard, she WOULD have died.

She has saved the entire galaxy, her people included.

She's brought back valuable geth data for use in Rael's research.

She was about to be exiled, because of him, cast out as a traitor to everything she spent her entire life trying to hold together and fix.

I don't know many kids that would do all of that for their parent's love. Rael owed her that much. He knew he was going to die there. He had time to turn and run. He had time to at least START the sentence.

Nothing.

Pretty it up, whatever. Rael was a horrible parent. If you can't acknowledge your child's love for you after all of that... then ****. Something is wrong with you.

I dont think Haestrom was thought to be a suicide mission, high risk but not suicide. After all it was an information gathering/research mission and considering the radiation from the star screwed up communications there would be no way for them to send the data back to the fleet without transporting it out of the system someway which likely means they expected someone to survive. I believe reager even says something to the fact that they thought the interference would hide them from geth patrols and it was just really bad luck that got them caught.

[Someone With Mass]

Pacifien wrote...


Well, you know, perk of being on the Council is that you're on the Council. Salarians had themselves covered.

Yeah, but still. Just because you have a fancy title shouldn't mean you can get away with almost anything.

[epoch_]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

I truly hope that was a joke.

I do not joke. But I'm tired of taking your bull****. Knock it off I'm not in the mood tonight.

Are you ever?

Do not play with me epoch.

tali's my favorite LI EVAR!@

[Collider]

Kikaimegami wrote...

Basically, I very seriously doubt that they could have foreseen the geth gaining sapience. It's a very unique and complicated case.

I agree. I think it may have been short sighted for the Quarians to have updated the Geth with code capable of self-evolution, but they still couldn't anticipate ascendancy to the level of existential questions.

Hell, even if they'd created the geth AI on purpose, that doesn't give the Council the right to condone genocide.

I don't think that the Council themselves comitted genocide. Just that they...kind of allowed it, in a way.

[Phil725]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Pacifien wrote...


Well, you know, perk of being on the Council is that you're on the Council. Salarians had themselves covered.

Yeah, but still. Just because you have a fancy title shouldn't mean you can get away with almost anything.

It shouldn't, but it does

[SpatFieya]

epoch_ wrote...

tali's my favorite LI EVAR!@

[Kikaimegami]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

I fully intend to restructure the council. Starting with their faces.

I am so with you on this one. What kind of weaponry should I bring?

[Collider]

Pretty it up, whatever. Rael was a horrible parent. If you can't acknowledge your child's love for you after all of that... then ****. Something is wrong with you.

Maybe he wasn't a good father or the best father, but he's not a monster.

[epoch_]

SpatFieya wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

tali's my favorite LI EVAR!@

That gif is strangely entertaining.

[Someone With Mass]

Phil725 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Yeah, but still. Just because you have a fancy title shouldn't mean you can get away with almost anything.

It shouldn't, but it does

*Sigh* Politics...how tiresome.

[epoch_]

Damn, I still have the best tali avatar here.

[RiptideX1090]

nickFury wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Aesaar wrote...


He was shot right after he finished telling her how to disable the geth.  It's quite possible he just didn't have the time.

And please.  Endured?  While I hugely enjoyed Noir, it isn't canon, and it might not be representative of the two years she's gone through.  She might not have even left the Fleet until recently.  Don't use your awesome fanfic as proof, unless it gets endorsed by Bioware.

What we know:

She's been shot at least twice.

She's taken at least one suicide mission on Haestrom. Without Shepard, she WOULD have died.

She has saved the entire galaxy, her people included.

She's brought back valuable geth data for use in Rael's research.

She was about to be exiled, because of him, cast out as a traitor to everything she spent her entire life trying to hold together and fix.

I don't know many kids that would do all of that for their parent's love. Rael owed her that much. He knew he was going to die there. He had time to turn and run. He had time to at least START the sentence.

Nothing.

Pretty it up, whatever. Rael was a horrible parent. If you can't acknowledge your child's love for you after all of that... then ****. Something is wrong with you.

I dont think Haestrom was thought to be a suicide mission, high risk but not suicide. After all it was an information gathering/research mission and considering the radiation from the star screwed up communications there would be no way for them to send the data back to the fleet without transporting it out of the system someway which likely means they expected someone to survive. I believe reager even says something to the fact that they thought the interference would hide them from geth patrols and it was just really bad luck that got them caught.

One of the planets in the Dholen system has 50,000 geth ships around it. Approaching that planet is next to suicide. Haestrom is in the same system. If the geth had been able to call for reinforcements, there is no way it would have ended well for them.

And whether it was described as a suicide mission or not is immaterial. Without Shepard, Tali and Reeger would be rotting corpses on a planet that would have baked the suits from their decaying flesh. If Cerberus didn't bring Shepard back, she WOULD be dead.

Suicide mission is therefore a fair assessment.

[Kikaimegami]

Collider wrote...

I don't think that the Council themselves comitted genocide. Just that they...kind of allowed it, in a way.

No, but they basically condoned it. They didn't do anything to stop it or offer any aid whatsoever to the quarians afterward. Hell, they withheld aid.

[Zarcanada]

Good bye Tali thread, keelah se'lai

[nickFury]

Kikaimegami wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

I fully intend to restructure the council. Starting with their faces.

I am so with you on this one. What kind of weaponry should I bring?

I vote razer blades and acetalene torches

[Collider]

SpatFieya wrote...
*snip*

I think there is a lot of truth in this. Her entire upbringing was centered around service to the fleet. I don't believe she was doing everything that she did for her father, but more so for other people, the Quarians. That is why, in part, in her romance she is hesitant and pushes Shepard away - all her life she has been acting just for different people. Doing something for herself - such as the romance - is rather "alien" to her, so to speak.

[SpatFieya]

Collider wrote...

Pretty it up, whatever. Rael was a horrible parent. If you can't acknowledge your child's love for you after all of that... then ****. Something is wrong with you.

Maybe he wasn't a good father or the best father, but he's not a monster.

While we all don't particularly agree on his parenting, I think we all can agree that without these circumstances happening, that the Tali we know would not exist. Selfish thought, but it's true. Yes, he wasn't the best, and he could of done better by far. In the end, though, she did get better (if you romance her). So everything worked out for the best, on both sides.

[FsDxRAGE]

Hi epoch

[RiptideX1090]

Collider wrote...

Pretty it up, whatever. Rael was a horrible parent. If you can't acknowledge your child's love for you after all of that... then ****. Something is wrong with you.

Maybe he wasn't a good father or the best father, but he's not a monster.

Whether he is a monster or not depends on the person who looks at him. Perspective.

Stalin wasn't a monster to some either, I'm sure.

[Someone With Mass]

SpatFieya wrote...

I opt for an epic ball smashing speech by Shepard to the council to get the Quarians back on the citadel. 

How about just the ball smashing for the turian and the salarian, and whack the asari councillor in the back of the head with a hammer?