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[Homebound]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Thelacan wrote...

Evening Tali-thread. I have survived the metal madness.
What have I missed? Apparently not the Reckoning... WHY LIV&RIP, Why?!

Things are a little hectic for Rip at the moment, but he has assured me that the edits will be complete tonight.

metal madness?

top page woot!

Modifié par Just_mike, 04 juillet 2010 - 07:13 .

[Karimloo]

Wow, we're still going?



Cool.



I had a great idea which would enhance Mass Effect all together, which means Tali would be 10 times better than normal.

[Homebound]

Karimloo wrote...

Wow, we're still going?

Cool.

I had a great idea which would enhance Mass Effect all together, which means Tali would be 10 times better than normal.

This idea cant in no shape or form involve gerbils, commando squids and Canadian lumberjacks.

[Someone With Mass]

Phil725 wrote...

Is this without metagaming?  Because I don't see any choices from ME2 mattering at all towards the plot in ME3.  If you sold Legion to Cerberus, I see something like Cerberus giving him back to you functional to aid you against the reapers.  Or another deus ex machina like that

I wouldn't be surprised if we get a similar Overlord scenario if Legion is sold to Cerberus. They try to replicate him, and it all goes to s**t. And guess who's going to mop it up.

Fookin' Cerberus...

[TTTX]

Phil725 wrote...

TTTX wrote...
*snip*

if you have Legion as a team mate chances for peace are big, if you sell him to Cerberus chances for peace are slim at best.

that's how I see it. 

Is this without metagaming?  Because I don't see any choices from ME2 mattering at all towards the plot in ME3.  If you sold Legion to Cerberus, I see something like Cerberus giving him back to you functional to aid you against the reapers.  Or another deus ex machina like that

the choices will matter in some way.

and Legion will not be Legion if Cerberus get their hands on him.

[nitefyre410]

Phil725 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
*snip*

 Your right  exile is not  an end all be cure what it is a stall and wrench in her plans... it may not stop Xen but it will slow her down long enough to take her down with something more  direct manner.  What it does is that  it puts Xen of losing  the support of the people and in any war you needed to support of the people.   People would start asking  question of why she is bring up the Alarei where  the beloved Admiral Re'al was killed and his daughter was exiled up again  that puts the spot light Xen and her motivations. 


Oh make  no mistake Shepherd is going to get Tali back into the Fleet just gotta make sure there is a Fleet for her to go back too.  I  personal don't "Like" Exile but I can understand the reasoning, purpose behind it.  

I'm just questioning how much Tali being exiled helps.  On one hand, an admiral is killed under murkey circumstances, believed to be dealing with hacking attempts.  On the other, its the same thing, yet now we know one of the other people responsible.  Both sides are a sad shock enough to throw a wrench in Xen's plan.  How exactly does Tali being exiled help that much?  The trial sort of accomplished its purpose of bringing attention to the experiments, Tali exiled on top of that seems unnecessary to me.

  


 Oh lets look at it like this... why did people get so upset when conspiracy theorist start  digging crazy theories on 911, Kennedy,  the Holocust  etc because as far as public record concerned the case is closed on those issues.  No one whats to revisit those  issues.  it would be the same with Alarei incident... in the public eyes it was tragedy   caused by Beloved Admiral Re'al Daughter  how is  in exile for her crime. Xen digging that back up makes her look like she has a grudge  or  obsession with Re'al... The problem is that Koris is facing  weakening support anyway   Ra'an knows that so at best, at BEST Exile is a Hail Mary,  Xen  knows that eventually with  the help she can swing the Military to her side and well thats game set match...   

Really the whole thing is weak in my eyes  and War is coming  there is not much Legion can do to help with that and Geth  know that  I doubt giving back  the Homeworld  can change that fact. Xen would just spin it so that they needed to subdue the  Geth  to strengthen the position with  powers like the Turians and the Alliance. 

[TTTX]

Thelacan wrote...

Evening Tali-thread. I have survived the metal madness.
What have I missed? Apparently not the Reckoning... WHY LIV&RIP, Why?!

well I have posted my 7th chapter if you not read it. it has Xen in it.

also looking forward to you're next chapter.

[Karimloo]

Well, my idea was that in the future, when AI is more advanced, we could remake the whole Mass Effect Series to include a system which we talk to the NPCs in the game.



Basically we put our microphone on, and we have full out conversation with the characters (i.e. Tali) therefore you can say everything you've always wanted, even some stupid stuff, which would make your Shepard look crazy.



That means you can say all those warm things you wanted to say instead of 'ITS OKAY, COME HERE'.

[Phil725]

TTTX wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

TTTX wrote...
*snip*

if you have Legion as a team mate chances for peace are big, if you sell him to Cerberus chances for peace are slim at best.

that's how I see it. 

Is this without metagaming?  Because I don't see any choices from ME2 mattering at all towards the plot in ME3.  If you sold Legion to Cerberus, I see something like Cerberus giving him back to you functional to aid you against the reapers.  Or another deus ex machina like that

the choices will matter in some way.

and Legion will not be Legion if Cerberus get their hands on him.

Logically I agree, I'm just rather cynical about how much our choices will actually matter. Bioware has made it clear that they want each game in the series to stand alone, and that means that ME3 can't change based on the other games.  Sure choices will show up in some way, like Reave on Tuchanka is infinitely less awesome than Wrex for example, but both help you find Maelon and let Grunt join Urdnot.  I can't see something as big as the resolution to the quarian/geth conflict being set because of the past game.

[Thelacan]

Lividity Jones wrote...


Things are a little hectic for Rip at the moment, but he has assured me that the edits will be complete tonight.

Okay. But please guys, don't try to rush and force it, resting for a day is much better than trying to recover from burnout.

[FsDxRAGE]

KARIMLOO?

[Homebound]

Phil725 wrote...

TTTX wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

TTTX wrote...
*snip*

if you have Legion as a team mate chances for peace are big, if you sell him to Cerberus chances for peace are slim at best.

that's how I see it. 

Is this without metagaming?  Because I don't see any choices from ME2 mattering at all towards the plot in ME3.  If you sold Legion to Cerberus, I see something like Cerberus giving him back to you functional to aid you against the reapers.  Or another deus ex machina like that

the choices will matter in some way.

and Legion will not be Legion if Cerberus get their hands on him.

Logically I agree, I'm just rather cynical about how much our choices will actually matter. Bioware has made it clear that they want each game in the series to stand alone, and that means that ME3 can't change based on the other games.  Sure choices will show up in some way, like Reave on Tuchanka is infinitely less awesome than Wrex for example, but both help you find Maelon and let Grunt join Urdnot.  I can't see something as big as the resolution to the quarian/geth conflict being set because of the past game.

I heard the people that read the Miranda/Jacob story got ONE unique dialogue with Jacob at the beginning of the game. And when I say Dialogue, I mean 1 extra option on the wheel of dialogue.

[Phil725]

nitefyre410 wrote...
*snip*

 Oh lets look at it like this... why did people get so upset when conspiracy theorist start  digging crazy theories on 911, Kennedy,  the Holocust  etc because as far as public record concerned the case is closed on those issues.  No one whats to revisit those  issues.  it would be the same with Alarei incident... in the public eyes it was tragedy   caused by Beloved Admiral Re'al Daughter  how is  in exile for her crime. Xen digging that back up makes her look like she has a grudge  or  obsession with Re'al... The problem is that Koris is facing  weakening support anyway   Ra'an knows that so at best, at BEST Exile is a Hail Mary,  Xen  knows that eventually with  the help she can swing the Military to her side and well thats game set match...   

Really the whole thing is weak in my eyes  and War is coming  there is not much Legion can do to help with that and Geth  know that  I doubt giving back  the Homeworld  can change that fact. Xen would just spin it so that they needed to subdue the  Geth  to strengthen the position with  powers like the Turians and the Alliance. 

I see your point, and I can see how Tali being exiled does weaken Xen a little further I guess, I just don't see it being enough to be worth it.  The way I see it both options result with Xen needing to be stopped eventually, so why not take the better road to get there?

We have no way of knowing right now how much Tali being exiled will affect the plan in general, if you think its enough that it could be the difference between success and failure, then that's a legitimate reason to let her be exiled, I just don't see it that way.

[KnotEngaged]

Thanks to the first 30 minutes of Saving Private Ryan the thread and topic have moved on without me. I guess I just conclude that my mother being a lawyer and my brother being in law school has definitely influenced my view of Tali's trial. I'm grateful that Shepard has the ability to exonerate Tali without presenting the evidence, but in reality a hero speech with no evidence, and only mention of her service record, would never convince me or any Admiral that Tali was deserving of being innocent when evidence was available to suggest she may be at fault in the case. I feel that it is an unearned victory, and that a much more powerful conclusion to the mission would be had if Shepard was only able to exonerate Tali by going against her wishes and presenting the evidence against Rael. It drives home the fact that even Shepard can't win them all and that no matter what you do for your people, many of them will have little trouble with throwing you to the wolves if necessary. It is equally powerful in that Shepard is willing to continue to fight on Tali's behalf even though her exile is a certainty, even though he will fail. I find that more emotionally satisfying, and more telling about how Shepard feels about Tali, and even his crew as a whole.

[TTTX]

Phil725 wrote...

TTTX wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

TTTX wrote...
*snip*

if you have Legion as a team mate chances for peace are big, if you sell him to Cerberus chances for peace are slim at best.

that's how I see it. 

Is this without metagaming?  Because I don't see any choices from ME2 mattering at all towards the plot in ME3.  If you sold Legion to Cerberus, I see something like Cerberus giving him back to you functional to aid you against the reapers.  Or another deus ex machina like that

the choices will matter in some way.

and Legion will not be Legion if Cerberus get their hands on him.

Logically I agree, I'm just rather cynical about how much our choices will actually matter. Bioware has made it clear that they want each game in the series to stand alone, and that means that ME3 can't change based on the other games.  Sure choices will show up in some way, like Reave on Tuchanka is infinitely less awesome than Wrex for example, but both help you find Maelon and let Grunt join Urdnot.  I can't see something as big as the resolution to the quarian/geth conflict being set because of the past game.

well we find out in ME3. also you forgot the Rachni one of the big choices that might affect the battle.

[Someone With Mass]

Karimloo wrote...

Well, my idea was that in the future, when AI is more advanced, we could remake the whole Mass Effect Series to include a system which we talk to the NPCs in the game.

Basically we put our microphone on, and we have full out conversation with the characters (i.e. Tali) therefore you can say everything you've always wanted, even some stupid stuff, which would make your Shepard look crazy.

That means you can say all those warm things you wanted to say instead of 'ITS OKAY, COME HERE'.

I think that would take at least another ten years to get the AI up to that level, so they can respond based on what their programmed character would think.

I'm not saying that it's impossible. I just don't think the technology is ready for something like that.

[Homebound]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

KARIMLOO?

asdfgv?

[FsDxRAGE]

Just_mike wrote...

FsDxRAGE wrote...

KARIMLOO?

asdfgv?

Oh you^_^

[Lividity Jones]

Thelacan wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...


Things are a little hectic for Rip at the moment, but he has assured me that the edits will be complete tonight.

Okay. But please guys, don't try to rush and force it, resting for a day is much better than trying to recover from burnout.

We're taking our time with this one, don't worry.

[Savakka1]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

KARIMLOO?

Seeing some old faces.

[Homebound]

KnotEngaged wrote...

Thanks to the first 30 minutes of Saving Private Ryan the thread and topic have moved on without me. I guess I just conclude that my mother being a lawyer and my brother being in law school has definitely influenced my view of Tali's trial. I'm grateful that Shepard has the ability to exonerate Tali without presenting the evidence, but in reality a hero speech with no evidence, and only mention of her service record, would never convince me or any Admiral that Tali was deserving of being innocent when evidence was available to suggest she may be at fault in the case. I feel that it is an unearned victory, and that a much more powerful conclusion to the mission would be had if Shepard was only able to exonerate Tali by going against her wishes and presenting the evidence against Rael. It drives home the fact that even Shepard can't win them all and that no matter what you do for your people, many of them will have little trouble with throwing you to the wolves if necessary. It is equally powerful in that Shepard is willing to continue to fight on Tali's behalf even though her exile is a certainty, even though he will fail. I find that more emotionally satisfying, and more telling about how Shepard feels about Tali, and even his crew as a whole.

Ya, ME2 was supposedly about the crew, but a lot of the crew missions and loyalty missions were very very lackluster in that way.  I remember Thane's talk with his son and how cheesy, misplaced, and poorly executed the "crying" was.

[FsDxRAGE]

Savakka1 wrote...

FsDxRAGE wrote...

KARIMLOO?

Seeing some old faces.

yeah. Did I see nightfyer too?

[Phil725]

KnotEngaged wrote...

Thanks to the first 30 minutes of Saving Private Ryan the thread and topic have moved on without me. I guess I just conclude that my mother being a lawyer and my brother being in law school has definitely influenced my view of Tali's trial. I'm grateful that Shepard has the ability to exonerate Tali without presenting the evidence, but in reality a hero speech with no evidence, and only mention of her service record, would never convince me or any Admiral that Tali was deserving of being innocent when evidence was available to suggest she may be at fault in the case. I feel that it is an unearned victory, and that a much more powerful conclusion to the mission would be had if Shepard was only able to exonerate Tali by going against her wishes and presenting the evidence against Rael. It drives home the fact that even Shepard can't win them all and that no matter what you do for your people, many of them will have little trouble with throwing you to the wolves if necessary. It is equally powerful in that Shepard is willing to continue to fight on Tali's behalf even though her exile is a certainty, even though he will fail. I find that more emotionally satisfying, and more telling about how Shepard feels about Tali, and even his crew as a whole.

The admirals seem more akin to a jury to me personally.  They clearly let their emotions be involved in the trial, and maybe that's perfectly in line with how they do things, how our legal systems work really has no bearing on their fictional government after all.

Wanting exile for drama reasons is a different thing, not my preference, but I can see people feeling that way.

[Someone With Mass]

Lividity Jones wrote...

We're taking our time with this one, don't worry.

It's in chapter 6 where things will get nasty, right?

[Phil725]

TTTX wrote...
*snip*
well we find out in ME3. also you forgot the Rachni one of the big choices that might affect the battle.

I'm curious how they will affect it personally.  I'm leaning towards if they're there, a random colony or something that affects nothing is saved, and if they aren't there, its destroyed.  Doesn't change anything, but makes people who played ME1 feel good.