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[Phil725]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Titanium Man wrote...

I know the Council are asses but they're not evil. They're narrow-minded, they don't deserve to get killed for it. Not unless the stakes get escelated.

You know what's the most annoying part? They believed that the Reapers exists at the end of ME1 if they were not killed during the battle.

That's why I hate them.

Who wants to cause a scene preparing for an apocolyptic fight?  much easier to preserve the status quo until everyone's dead

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Modifié par Phil725, 05 juillet 2010 - 09:38 .

[SpatFieya]

Tali thread. 

I assume a good amount of you had a good 4th last night? I know I did.

Modifié par SpatFieya, 05 juillet 2010 - 09:40 .

[Someone With Mass]

Phil725 wrote...

Hicrodonma wrote...

Usually when you depose a government the leaders end up dead.

Shep can pull off a peaceful coup, there isn't much he can't do

Upper Left Blue: Shepard starts to wave his hand and says: You will resign at once.

The Council: We will resign at once.

Shepard: You should go back to your homeworlds and rethink your lives.

The Council: We should go back to our homeworlds and rethink our lives.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 05 juillet 2010 - 09:40 .

[Phil725]

Titanium Man wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Titanium Man wrote...

I know the Council are asses but they're not evil. They're narrow-minded, they don't deserve to get killed for it. Not unless the stakes get escelated.

You know what's the most annoying part? They believed that the Reapers exists at the end of ME1 if they were not killed during the battle.

That's why I hate them.

I recall this plothole.  I SAVED those guys, they saw what happened, and now it doesn't work?  What a rip.

I didn't think it was plothole, I thought the council knows of the reaper threat, yet is more interested in the status quo.  I haven't seen this dialogue in a while though.

[Lividity Jones]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Upper Left Blue: Shepard starts to wave his hand and says: You will resign at once.

The Council: We will resign at once.

Shepard: You should go back to your homeworlds and rethink your lives.

The Council: We should go back to our homeworlds and rethink our lives.

Tali: I can't believe that worked.

[NuclearBuddha]

Leftnt Sharpe wrote...
Whereas humanity has basically handed over their sovereignty  to an unelected alien governing body. Kind of like the EU actually.

Cuts both ways.  If humanity joins the current Council, they get to have a say in how the aliens live their lives.

Then again, I think the Council's dictates are probably not too bad.  No slavery, some trade issues, rules for common defense and conflict resolution, etc.  They're too lazy to go interfering too much, let alone enforcing that interference, which is the real issue.

[Collider]

I don't think the Council is bad. They are simply traditionalists and stubborn. I don't like what they did with the Quarians of course, but the Quarians already knew that AI was illegal. I imagine that the Council made an example of the Quarians.

[huntrrz]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

RE: how the Council treats the quarians: The Council exists, as I see it, to preserve the status quo. The status quo currently is that the quarians are outcasts and generally considered a nuisance at best. They're not about to go stick out their necks to change that.

I suspect that the Quarians were too prominent for the Council's liking, and when the opportunity arose to completely disenfranchise them they eagerly took it.

[Lividity Jones]

Collider wrote...

I don't think the Council is bad. They are simply traditionalists and stubborn. I don't like what they did with the Quarians of course, but the Quarians already knew that AI was illegal. I imagine that the Council made an example of the Quarians.

Yeah, letting a species get pushed to the brink of extinction really was necessary there.

[Someone With Mass]

Collider wrote...

I don't think the Council is bad. They are simply traditionalists and stubborn. I don't like what they did with the Quarians of course, but the Quarians already knew that AI was illegal. I imagine that the Council made an example of the Quarians.

But here's the thing. The geth only achieves AI status when they are gathered in a large number. Alone they're nothing more than VIs.

And the transformation was subtle. When the quarians discovered what they'd done, it was too late.

[CptSkull]

How about the humans make their own Council with the Quarians and Krogan.

[Collider]

CptSkull wrote...
How about the humans make their own Council with the Quarians and Krogan.

Bad idea, especially the latter part.

[Collider]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Collider wrote...

I don't think the Council is bad. They are simply traditionalists and stubborn. I don't like what they did with the Quarians of course, but the Quarians already knew that AI was illegal. I imagine that the Council made an example of the Quarians.

Yeah, letting a species get pushed to the brink of extinction really was necessary there.

That's just negligence. They didn't actively try to make the Quarians extinct.

[Collider]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Collider wrote...

I don't think the Council is bad. They are simply traditionalists and stubborn. I don't like what they did with the Quarians of course, but the Quarians already knew that AI was illegal. I imagine that the Council made an example of the Quarians.

But here's the thing. The geth only achieves AI status when they are gathered in a large number. Alone they're nothing more than VIs.

And the transformation was subtle. When the quarians discovered what they'd done, it was too late.

I agree. But I don't know how the Quarians could prove to the Council that the geth developed sapience on their own.

[CptSkull]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Collider wrote...

I don't think the Council is bad. They are simply traditionalists and stubborn. I don't like what they did with the Quarians of course, but the Quarians already knew that AI was illegal. I imagine that the Council made an example of the Quarians.

But here's the thing. The geth only achieves AI status when they are gathered in a large number. Alone they're nothing more than VIs.

And the transformation was subtle. When the quarians discovered what they'd done, it was too late.

Geth are actually like software, seeing as there are a 1000 some geth in Legion.

[NuclearBuddha]

The quarians, if they had anything to offer humanity (they don't, other than sexy, sexy hips) would be natural allies: both are outsiders looking in.



But the krogan? Forget that noise.

[Someone With Mass]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Collider wrote...

I don't think the Council is bad. They are simply traditionalists and stubborn. I don't like what they did with the Quarians of course, but the Quarians already knew that AI was illegal. I imagine that the Council made an example of the Quarians.

Yeah, letting a species get pushed to the brink of extinction really was necessary there.

It's not exactly the first time the Council just watched as a race almost became extinct, either.

[Collider]

huntrrz wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

RE: how the Council treats the quarians: The Council exists, as I see it, to preserve the status quo. The status quo currently is that the quarians are outcasts and generally considered a nuisance at best. They're not about to go stick out their necks to change that.

I suspect that the Quarians were too prominent for the Council's liking, and when the opportunity arose to completely disenfranchise them they eagerly took it.

I don't think there is evidence of the Council disliking Quarians before the Morning War. I doubt the Quarians were in much of a place to threaten the Council given their immune systems. They can't exactly be expansive when they die being on most worlds that other races can live on fine. They probably stuck to their little slice of the galaxy, and stayed there.

[Collider]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Collider wrote...
That's just negligence. They didn't actively try to make the Quarians extinct.

They were pretty douchy at Ekuna.

Ekuna wasn't completely hospitable to the Quarians. The gravity there could prove costly to their health.

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...

I don't think the Council is bad. They are simply traditionalists and stubborn. I don't like what they did with the Quarians of course, but the Quarians already knew that AI was illegal. I imagine that the Council made an example of the Quarians.

I don't see the treatment of the quarians by the council as a punishment at all.  The way I see it, it must have been getting tougher and tougher treating a galaxy wide race of billions like a second class race.  The quarians had to be pushing for a seat, but that would upset the status quo. 

All of a sudden, a perfect opportunity to get rid of them and add a scapegoat for future events pops up.  Too easy for the council.  They can use AI being illegal as a justification if they want, and I'm sure they would, but no way the aari get that treatment.

[NuclearBuddha]

huntrrz wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

RE: how the Council treats the quarians: The Council exists, as I see it, to preserve the status quo. The status quo currently is that the quarians are outcasts and generally considered a nuisance at best. They're not about to go stick out their necks to change that.

I suspect that the Quarians were too prominent for the Council's liking, and when the opportunity arose to completely disenfranchise them they eagerly took it.

No way.  There's no evidence of that.  If the quarians were so prominent, they'd have been on the Council.  They showed up almost as early as everyone else.

I think the quarians were relatively small-time:  they probably colonized very slowly due to the health issues, and their trade probably wasn't as important because at the time they were the only dextro-race.

[Lividity Jones]

Collider wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Collider wrote...

I don't think the Council is bad. They are simply traditionalists and stubborn. I don't like what they did with the Quarians of course, but the Quarians already knew that AI was illegal. I imagine that the Council made an example of the Quarians.

Yeah, letting a species get pushed to the brink of extinction really was necessary there.

That's just negligence. They didn't actively try to make the Quarians extinct.

Regardless, they made a conscious decision to allow genocide to occur.

Which makes me think it wasn't about upholding the law.

I think the Quarian Empire, or whatever it might have actually been called, was a much bigger player in the galaxy before the Morning Wars. Consider the fact they they were a spacefaring race the longest and created space stations that could be compared to the Citadel in size.

The three big players were the Council, the Terminus Systems, and the Quarian Empire.

The Council turns their backs on the quarians, in the interest of removing one more factor in enforcing their own laws.