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[CptSkull]

Hicrodonma wrote...

I'm disappointed in the fact that some people forget that politics is not something to bring up in a forum not about politics. Talking about politics is like talking about religion it turns everyone involved into a**hats.

We're talking about a game that has politics.

[Lividity Jones]

Azint wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Did I ask you?

Sorry, I thought this was an open discussion.

Just asking Collider's opinion, since apparently incompetent and negligent leaders of a galaxy-spanning governmental body are acceptable.

True, disposing them is unrealistic considering the Reapers, but does that mean we have to content with the fact that the Council has not ruled as it should?

That the galaxy deserves better than the Council's policies of non-involvement?

[NuclearBuddha]

Collider wrote...

Giving the impression of disdain and throwing out apparent ultimatums doesn't help.

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...

I REALLY doubt that.

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What constitutes "stand alone" is debatable. I consider ME2 to be "stand alone" because you don't have played ME1 to play the game or understand it. Newbies can pick up the game and understand everything that needs to be understood. That's really all I think that stand alone means. It can be played without the other games.

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That's not the same. If Wrex is dead, the Krogan stick to their warmongering, xenophobic ways. If Wrex is alive, things start to change. Similarly, it seems to me that if Legion is dead or otherwise disposed, the Quarians remain as they were after Tali's trial (if you did it). Because they have no other reason to. If he's alive, then things start to change.

I see ME2 as standalone because no matter what happened in ME1, how you play ME2 doesn't change.  You still die, then recruit 4 people, go to Horizon, etc.  The surrounding environment is all that changes.  You expect two different games, one where you go off to broker peace between the geth/quarians, and one where you choose a side to help in war based on what happened before?  Bioware just doesn't have that option.  They need to keep the game at least manageable. 

The geth/quarian conflict needs resolved in ME3, pidgeonholing you into one solution is hardly being standalone.  Maybe the actions you describe help facilitate or hinder you in ME3, but I can't see them crossing off the option completely.  The actions have to show up in one form or another, but I don't see messing up the reclamation effort as where they pop up.  The geth still don't need the planet at all, and the quarians still just need to know the geth are open to diplomacy.

The Geth took long enough to contact organics as it is. If they first and only time they even bothered talking to them ends in failure, do you really think they are going to try again, given how long it took them in the first place? No. Legion was one of a kind. If he's destroyed or given to Cerberus (an organization which is far from the best representation of organics)...The Geth aren't really about second chances. They are logical.

One question I have, would the geth know whether or not Legion got killed by husks on the reaper or sent to Cerberus?  That could be important, and I'm not sure what the answer is.

Assuming they know the fate, why would it be enough to stop them?  Its not like its a ridiculous amount of resources to make a single geth.  The only reason they didn't do it sooner was because of their isolationism, with that gone, the door is open to communication.  From communication comes results.

Second chances or not, logically, getting a race to stop trying to erradicate you is a good move, if you need to rebuild a geth to do that, its hardly a problem.

It's really hard to imagine that. The average player in ME3 can still have a happy ending without the Quarians retaking Rannoch. Before anyone says, "but that wouldn't be my happy ending ;_;", I am not talking about you.

I go back to the multiple endings thing.  Surely its easy to see how a peaceful ending is possible given that you didn't screw up.  Are they going to make it impossible anyway because of the people who did screw up?  I know people really want their decisions to matter, but it seems much more likely to me that if both options are available in ME3, then actions in ME3 can lead to both results.

Not what I meant. I mean what would you have the Council do in regards to Ekuna.

Assuming they've already made the choice to give the planet to the elcor, do it like you have some decency.  If the quarians resist, then involve armies and threats.

[Someone With Mass]

Calinstel wrote...

She likes Tali and slaps the living carp outta Shepard for never replying to her message

Gave up a promotion and everything.
 
But then Tali jumps in and starts to talk about...starships.

[Skadhi1]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Skadhi1 wrote...
Or, better yet, meeting his mother, the ship captain (Shepard as spacer).

Calinstel has one with this.

Yes, here: http://www.fanfictio...After_the_Trial

And it's very good - but Tali is not meeting Shepard's mother!

[Lividity Jones]

Collider wrote...

The relunctance to have intelligent conversations in this thread will be why Tali threads and the Tali fandom will forever be known as people drooling, obsessing and perversing over a video game character. Unless you begin changing.

And this is the part where Collider pulls out his "Talimancer Elitist" bull****...

[Azint]

SenHai wrote...

Collider wrote...

The relunctance to have intelligent conversations in this thread will be why Tali threads and the Tali fandom will forever be known as people drooling, obsessing and perversing over a video game character. Unless you begin changing.

Can you see me not caring? Cause I am.

A fine example.

[SpatFieya]

So...



How 'bout that Daro'Xen?

[NuclearBuddha]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Man, LJ.  Living up to the name today...

[Collider]

That isn't what I meant, LJ. I'm saying that I think changing Citadel policy would be safer and more plausible than removing the leaders themselves. Changing the leaders does not change the law. I am not agreeing with current Council leaders.

[CptSkull]

http://masseffect.wi...i/Migrant_Fleet

Modifié par CptSkull, 05 juillet 2010 - 10:47 .

[NuclearBuddha]

SpatFieya wrote...
So...

How 'bout that Daro'Xen?

She's got issues.

Edit:  And no Shep to resolve them.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 05 juillet 2010 - 10:48 .

[Hicrodonma]

Dude intelligent conversation isn't bickering back and forth about who's side is right on a political landscape. Intelligent conversation is trying to make sense with what little information we are given about a species biology, culture, and technology/

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...

The relunctance to have intelligent conversations in this thread will be why Tali threads and the Tali fandom will forever be known as people drooling, obsessing and perversing over a video game character. Unless you begin changing.

Who says the thread is opposed to intelligent discussion?  It just took me 15 minutes to reply to your last book

Obviously some people don't want to do it, but plenty do.

[Skadhi1]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Yeah. That'd be interesting. To see Hannah's reaction when she finds out that her little boy is dating a quarian.

I think it would be fascinating.  And a good chance to round out some of the character reactions.

[Azint]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Just asking Collider's opinion, since apparently incompetent and negligent leaders of a galaxy-spanning governmental body are acceptable.

True, disposing them is unrealistic considering the Reapers, but does that mean we have to content with the fact that the Council has not ruled as it should?

That the galaxy deserves better than the Council's policies of non-involvement?

Regardless of personal views, the Council is still an important asset. They rule over a galactic civilization, and have done so for a long time. Like Udina, you dislike them and how they operate, but they actually do their jobs and for the most part, you do benefit from what they provide. The arguement being thrown around is how much they care for the quarians. I already stated that they likely do have the quarians on their agenda, but they have not actually treated the problem yet.

[Someone With Mass]

SpatFieya wrote...

So...

How 'bout that Daro'Xen?

She's a whacko. A sexy whacko.

But is there any quarian female who isn't sexy? I think not.

[Titanium Man]

This is going well.

[Lividity Jones]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Man, LJ.  Living up to the name today...

I'm in a less-than-cordial mood.

[nitefyre410]

Collider wrote...

The relunctance to have intelligent conversations in this thread will be why Tali threads and the Tali fandom will forever be known as people drooling, obsessing and perversing over a video game character. Unless you begin changing.

  


To continue you discussion because i was finding interesting... I think the big mistake is that Council is a government its  more like the  UN the most Prominent Races  sit on the Council... Humans, Asari, Turains and Salarians... The serve as  mediating body and peace keeping force not a full fledge government.