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[Kikaimegami]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

I was talking to Kikai, who seemed more likely to ignore the murder of billions of quarian innocents otherwise.  You and I both know that neither side has its hands clean.

I never said they weren't guilty, I'm just saying that the quarians don't even see their own guilt in the equation.

EDIT: Hey, it's the top of the page again!

Modifié par Kikaimegami, 08 juillet 2010 - 01:40 .

[nickFury]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...
Yeah, condoning genocide is a pretty big flaw.

There's genocide on the other side of that equation, too.

oh come on its only genocide if the quarians killed all the geth, im sure theyd leave a few for study

that was a joke...Kikai I said it was a joke...PUT THAT DOWN! *sound of a circular saw reving up*

Modifié par nickFury, 08 juillet 2010 - 01:41 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Kira Shepard wrote...
I think prazza was the first proof I ever had that quarians could be ****s just like everyone else.

That's true.  It was nice to see a jerk quarian, as strange as that may seem.

[Collider]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...
Yeah, condoning genocide is a pretty big flaw.

There's genocide on the other side of that equation, too.

Continuing Genocide.

Tali's mother died from a disease, something that may have never happened if the geth would just try TALKING to the quarians.

The quarians were wrong to make the geth. They were right to go to war with them. The geth were right to defend themselves. They are wrong to not at least speak with the quarians. Consensus must be achieved. Geth know this.

This man speaks the truth.

[NuclearBuddha]

Kikaimegami wrote...
I never said they weren't guilty, I'm just saying that the quarians don't even see their own guilt in the equation.

Koris does.  You're generalizing.

[RiptideX1090]

Kikaimegami wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...
Yeah, condoning genocide is a pretty big flaw.

There's genocide on the other side of that equation, too.

The geth let the quarians escape. They could have easily completely wiped all of them out and didn't. Sure, they did some pretty awful stuff too, but the quarians still want to wipe all of them out and don't see their reaction to the geth as being wrong in the first place where as the geth just want to be left the hell alone.

I'd want to wipe out the people who forced me to live inside a suit my whole life, stuck me inside a cubicle on a ship, and allowed for the galaxy to hate and despise me too.

Tali is right to be angry. The Geth are wrong in not trying to make contact with the quarians and working out a peace solution.

It's a good thing that's all changing...

[Kira Shepard]

Oh no, we aren't having the whole Quarain vs Geth war argument are we?

[Collider]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Kira Shepard wrote...
I think prazza was the first proof I ever had that quarians could be ****s just like everyone else.

That's true.  It was nice to see a jerk quarian, as strange as that may seem.

Technically, he was one of the first Quarians besides Tali we saw. And the Quarians don't exactly have the best record in the galaxy. They are known for being beggars and thieves, and probably because it's true sometimes.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

Kikaimegami wrote...


Seymour Butts

Where's Garrus? Everyone knows he's got the cutest tush!

Though that's an interesting posture Tali's in there.

Modifié par Cra5y Pineapple, 08 juillet 2010 - 01:41 .

[nitefyre410]

nickFury wrote...

CrAzyManMike wrote...

nickFury wrote...

Titanium Man wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...


Character flaws add.. well.. character. I hate perfection, because there's nothing there to build on. Conflict and difference add depth and complexity to a character, which makes them more real, more interesting.

Agreed.  If you met my Shepard in real life, you'd see his flaws right away.  He likes controlling a situation, even when he's laughing and joking with friends.  He's very stern when working on something.  And when you ****** him off or do something wrong, he'll insult you and call you stupid in a variety of colorful ways.  It gets him in trouble.  It makes conflict, and the best conflict arises from character.

Come to think of it, what are Tali's flaws besides her hatred of geth?

she can be self depreciating, lacking in confidence in certain situations where she sees herself as inadequit even when it is not the case.

I say you need flaws to learn, and others need flaws so you can teach or share your passions.
Either way, you are learning more. And hell, what is life if you aren't learning?

I believe that is called death

    

The Flaws are what make the  characters relatiable to any reader or view if you character has no flows they can not grow, they tell no story because they don't have to over anything personally or other wise.... I also  believe where my disconnect with shepherd comes from He is not flawed. and that has nothing to Paragon or renegade.  I wish BW  would make it so that your  reacts different based of the origins  my   Earth borne sole survivor should responded differently then a Spacer war hero.  in both Paragon and Renegade options.  

On the Tali end her character flaw is not that she  has confidence issues  because she doesn't its that she puts too many people before  herself AND she carries a lot of the  anger and frustration about  her plight. And it was that very anger and frustration that lead her into making the mistake of helping her father  no matter how noble his intentions where.  

[Someone With Mass]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

Kira Shepard wrote...

I think prazza was the first proof I ever had that quarians could be ****s just like everyone else.

"Prazza was an idiot!"

I love how she throws her head up in the air

Me too.

[NuclearBuddha]

RiptideX1090 wrote...
It's a good thing that's all changing...

Wisdom from Rip tonight.

[Ryshan]

Collider wrote...

It's true, but Tali (understandably) seems to be excusing the Quarians from their guilt. The Quarians had a hand in this. The Geth had a right to defend themselves. What makes the Morning War not a black and white issue is the fact that AI was illegal and that the Geth nearly comitted genocide on the Quarians themselves. They are both at fault for not even attempting to communicate peace.

The issue in this statement is that the Geth did not think "genocide", they came to the conclusion that the Quarians would continue to fight back. If you are locked in a battle with someone, and you have no way of knowing EXACTLY how they are going to respond to you laying down arms (and the worst case scenario, along with being probable, in that situation is the Quarians utilize that instance to shut them down for good), there is no way in heck I am going to stop and say "hey let's talk this out" while the other side is still intent on killing me.

Yes, both sides had a very extreme reaction to each other, but in no way were either actions senseless, least of all the Geth's.

That's my two cents.

[Kikaimegami]

nickFury wrote...
oh come on its only genocide if the quarians killed all the geth, im sure theyd leave a few for study

that was a joke...Kikai I said it was a joke...PUT THAT DOWN! *sond of a circular saw reving up*

I CUT YOU

[NuclearBuddha]

Kira Shepard wrote...

Oh no, we aren't having the whole Quarain vs Geth war argument are we?

Quick way to move pages.

I don't think we're really going to have the argument, though.

[RiptideX1090]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
It's a good thing that's all changing...

Wisdom from Rip tonight.

I'm capable of talking about more than BDSM you know... <_<

[Collider]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...
I never said they weren't guilty, I'm just saying that the quarians don't even see their own guilt in the equation.

Koris does.  You're generalizing.

I may also add that - IIRC, Admirals are elected by the people. I could be wrong, but that's what I seem to be remember. So unless Korris never spoke about his views pre-election, than he was elected despite his pro-geth views. That seems to imply that not all Quarians think that the geth were the only ones at fault.

I also recall Tali saying that the Geth were a mistake in ME1. Can anyone confirm that?

[Homebound]

what up tali thread? Looks like we're almost there!

[NuclearBuddha]

Collider wrote...
Technically, he was one of the first Quarians besides Tali we saw. And the Quarians don't exactly have the best record in the galaxy. They are known for being beggars and thieves, and probably because it's true sometimes.

Not that Tali was particularly paragon in ME1.

[FsDxRAGE]

Kikaimegami wrote...

nickFury wrote...
oh come on its only genocide if the quarians killed all the geth, im sure theyd leave a few for study

that was a joke...Kikai I said it was a joke...PUT THAT DOWN! *sond of a circular saw reving up*

I CUT YOU

LIKE BUTTA

[Kikaimegami]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...
I never said they weren't guilty, I'm just saying that the quarians don't even see their own guilt in the equation.

Koris does.  You're generalizing.

Of course I'm generalizing! I didn't want to have this argument yet again

[CrAzyManMike]

Well, unfortunately I cannot stay for the over 9000 party..unless the thread manages 10 pages in a few minutes. The powers that be are calling me into work at 4am.
Anyways, my congratulations, and Keelah Se'Lai.

Also, my two cents:

[Kikaimegami]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...

nickFury wrote...
oh come on its only genocide if the quarians killed all the geth, im sure theyd leave a few for study

that was a joke...Kikai I said it was a joke...PUT THAT DOWN! *sond of a circular saw reving up*

I CUT YOU

LIKE BUTTA

WIF A CHAINSAW--wait.

[Kira Shepard]

Collider wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...
I never said they weren't guilty, I'm just saying that the quarians don't even see their own guilt in the equation.

Koris does.  You're generalizing.

I may also add that - IIRC, Admirals are elected by the people. I could be wrong, but that's what I seem to be remember. So unless Korris never spoke about his views pre-election, than he was elected despite his pro-geth views. That seems to imply that not all Quarians think that the geth were the only ones at fault.

I also recall Tali saying that the Geth were a mistake in ME1. Can anyone confirm that?

"We made a mistake in creating the geth in the first place." were her exact words.

[Mozer121]

Maybe the Quarians did make a mistake in trying to shutdown all Geth. But think about it, can you honestly say you wouldn't react the same way if a machine started asking if it had a soul? I'd be pretty frightened.



The Geth are ultimately to blame though. They are sapient but they are still just machines. The deaths of a billion Quarians out weighs the deletion of a trillion Geth programs.