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NuclearBuddha wrote...
Not really.  A non-exiled Tali actually makes a choice to be with Shepard.  An exiled Tali has no choice.

Good point.

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cannedcream wrote...

REDTRACER7!!!!!!!!!!!

. . . You're awesome.

With my abounding humility, I just needed to highlight that...

[NuclearBuddha]

Collider wrote...
That makes me wonder. Will he ever see the new councils in ME3? I'm inclined to think no, given their basic absence in ME2 in almost all fashions, but IDK. Default Shepard has the council dead. So default Shepards or Shepards who did not save the council will be unable to speak to any Citadel council whatsoever? Wouldn't that be missing out on a huge ally?

I have this theory that default failShepard is just crappy enough to make new players go back and get ME1.

[cannedcream]

Azint wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

You know, in ME1 I was pretty pro-human.  The simpering sucking up to the UN Council sickened me.  I told Terra First I supported them (I still do:  the keep humanity strong part, not the racism part).  I saved the Council, though, because I figured it would serve humanity far better than a naked and unpopular power-grab.  I thought long and hard about sacrificing human lives for those douchebags, though.

Maybe I got older or stupider or something because by ME2 I was paragon across the board and while I still think the Council is useless, I can see the purpose they serve.

Then again, ME2 seems to treat paragon a little different than ME1.

Edit:  and I almost forgot the comment I wanted to make RE your Shep.  Every sword needs a sheath or it just ends up cutting the user.

The Council may not serve as useful to me, but they are still a vital part of the galactic community. Human lives were sacraficed because political stability is a necessity when reinstating a new foreign power- humanity.

If nothing else, then saving them is a good PR move for humanity as witnessed by some events in ME2 including the news report about the turian government considering additional reparations for the human families that lost loved ones in the First Contact War.

Modifié par cannedcream, 08 juillet 2010 - 07:02 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Collider wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
Not really.  A non-exiled Tali actually makes a choice to be with Shepard.  An exiled Tali has no choice.

Good point.

One I try to make at every opportunity.  Some around here actually like the exile option.

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NuclearBuddha wrote...

Collider wrote...
That makes me wonder. Will he ever see the new councils in ME3? I'm inclined to think no, given their basic absence in ME2 in almost all fashions, but IDK. Default Shepard has the council dead. So default Shepards or Shepards who did not save the council will be unable to speak to any Citadel council whatsoever? Wouldn't that be missing out on a huge ally?

I have this theory that default failShepard is just crappy enough to make new players go back and get ME1.

Just crappy enough? Yea, I could see that. Not so crappy that they'd be disallowed a "happy" or satisfactory ending though. ME3 is said to be standalone after all - I cannot expect that actions taken in ME1 and ME2 would ever yield an inability to have a decent ending.

[Azint]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

I have this theory that default failShepard is just crappy enough to make new players go back and get ME1.

I was curious enough to try and start a default game. As soon as I read that Wrex was killed, I ragequit.

[NuclearBuddha]

cannedcream wrote...
If nothing else, then saving them is a good PR move for humanity as witnessed by some events in ME2 including the news report about the turian government considering additional reprisals for the human families that lost loved ones in the First Contact War.

Reparations.  Additional reprisals would just be horrific.

Also:  LOL.

[cannedcream]

CptSkull wrote...


The only thing worse that Tali being exciled is the video I showed, It was about Shepard betrying Tali.

Don't even joke, man.

[CptSkull]

They wouldn't have a new Council, cause then BioWare would have to think of new Characters and Character Models.

Modifié par CptSkull, 08 juillet 2010 - 07:07 .

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Azint wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Azint is a just, but vengeful god.

For some reason that reminded me of this.

That.  Was.  Awesome!!!

"Line Piece.  Line Piece.  Line Piece!!!!"

That is now my second favorite video from Collegehumor.  This be #1.

[NuclearBuddha]

Azint wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
I have this theory that default failShepard is just crappy enough to make new players go back and get ME1.

I was curious enough to try and start a default game. As soon as I read that Wrex was killed, I ragequit.

A friend of mine couldn't find his old saves and got about halfway through the game wondering why I thought it was so good.

Eventually he found his savegame and got to experience ME2 as it should be.  But he didn't help Tali in ME1 so he was still failShepard.

[cannedcream]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Reparations.  Additional reprisals would just be horrific.

Also:  LOL.

*facepalm*

Damn it, brain.

[SpatFieya]

cannedcream wrote...

CptSkull wrote...


The only thing worse that Tali being exciled is the video I showed, It was about Shepard betrying Tali.

Don't even joke, man.

Seriously, betraying Tali is the equivalent of punching a puppy in the face.

Then running it over.

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NuclearBuddha wrote...

Azint wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
I have this theory that default failShepard is just crappy enough to make new players go back and get ME1.

I was curious enough to try and start a default game. As soon as I read that Wrex was killed, I ragequit.

A friend of mine couldn't find his old saves and got about halfway through the game wondering why I thought it was so good.

Eventually he found his savegame and got to experience ME2 as it should be.  But he didn't help Tali in ME1 so he was still failShepard.

Do you mean he got the geth data but refused to give it to Tali?

[NuclearBuddha]

Collider wrote...
Just crappy enough? Yea, I could see that. Not so crappy that they'd be disallowed a "happy" or satisfactory ending though. ME3 is said to be standalone after all - I cannot expect that actions taken in ME1 and ME2 would ever yield an inability to have a decent ending.

Of course not.  But anyone can play failShep and feel like something is missing and you can't quite figure out what.

[NuclearBuddha]

Collider wrote...
Do you mean he got the geth data but refused to give it to Tali?

No, somehow he missed the "Geth Incursions" mission.

Edit:  And thus he remains my friend.  Heh.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 08 juillet 2010 - 07:03 .

[Azint]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

One I try to make at every opportunity.  Some around here actually like the exile option.

It was worth experiencing, I still stand by that. The reactions of the Admirals, the other quarians, and what Tali says herself was drastically different. When exiled, you can tell that the Admirals really regret voting so, they apologize, wish her safety and tell Tali to be hopeful. All of them.

Shala'Raan upset was quite a shock, too. Kar'Dana scolding Tali was surprising.

Though I did like how Tali basically says the belongs on the Normandy anyways.

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NuclearBuddha wrote...

Collider wrote...
Just crappy enough? Yea, I could see that. Not so crappy that they'd be disallowed a "happy" or satisfactory ending though. ME3 is said to be standalone after all - I cannot expect that actions taken in ME1 and ME2 would ever yield an inability to have a decent ending.

Of course not.  But anyone can play failShep and feel like something is missing and you can't quite figure out what.

Exactly, I agree. I did play a Shepard that had the council dead, and they indicate that Shepard had a choice. That's a good way to get people to buy previous games.

[cannedcream]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Collider wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
Not really.  A non-exiled Tali actually makes a choice to be with Shepard.  An exiled Tali has no choice.

Good point.

One I try to make at every opportunity.  Some around here actually like the exile option.

I want Tali to be with Shepard, but I don't want to FORCE her to be with Shepard. If the relationship I started continues, I want it to be because Tali loves Shepard above all else, even her own people, not because she simply as nowhere left to go.

[NuclearBuddha]

I think it's interesting to go through ME2 and try to figure out how failShep is going to screw things up for ME3.

[cannedcream]

SpatFieya wrote...

Seriously, betraying Tali is the equivalent of punching a puppy in the face.

Then running it over.

Then using said puppy corpse to beat a baby to death.

[Azint]

RedTracer7 wrote...

That is now my second favorite video from Collegehumor.  This be #1.

Oh yes, I remember that one.

[cannedcream]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

I think it's interesting to go through ME2 and try to figure out how failShep is going to screw things up for ME3.

I'm sure the suicide mission lead to A LOT of deaths. Other than Miranda, of course. <_<

EDIT: Oh and Tali would be exiled, I'm sure.

Modifié par cannedcream, 08 juillet 2010 - 07:10 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Azint wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

One I try to make at every opportunity.  Some around here actually like the exile option.

It was worth experiencing, I still stand by that.

Experiencing and carrying on to ME3 are different things.