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[CptSkull]

Legion said The Geth treat Rannoch like a cemetery, so I see Rannoch as strangely peaceful and just the way the Quarians left it.

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Modifié par CptSkull, 09 juillet 2010 - 06:04 .

[huntrrz]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Zeal'Koris   besides  Shala Ra'an have the most sense out of all the  Admirals and Zeal'Koris was acting more like a Father to her than her that  Real EVER did.  He didn't want to put her on trail but what choice  did have her and her father where shipping Geth back to fleet.

 They no matter  how noble their intentions  did something  very very  very stupid  and very  selfish. They put millions of the lives at risk, Zeal'Koris understood that  fact. Yes his punishment was harsh  but the when  your actions carry such heavy consequences then the punishment must be harsh.  

Tali did nothing wrong.  She was following lawful orders and shipping back inert components for what she assumed were static weapons testing.

[Tairis Deamhan]

Oh and Calin I'm totally borrowing some of your quarian biology ideas for the primal Tali concept and savannah quarians for my next chapter.

[nitefyre410]

NCLanceman wrote...



Rael also hasn't had a selfish impulse in his life (Tali gets it from somewhere, you know). Everything he did was for the fleet. Seriously, that's almost his entire characterization. Just because it was a bad idea doesn't change why he did it.

      

Ah thats were you have read between the lines...

Think about what he was doing.  The construction  of a weapon  to battle the Geth so he could  build his little girl a house on the homeworld.  Well damn what  father would not go that far for their daughter. Thats where  it  starts to back fire... hang tight with me this is going to a   **** to put in words.     

When one loves someone, one should be willing to sacrifice  anything for  said go to know lengths.  

Thats where the selfish nature of his actions come to light.   Did he stop and think would  Tali want this house if it cost the lives of the entire fleet.?  Would she want  me to keep this promise if  it cost me my life and lives of millions if something goes wrong?. These  are the question he should have been asking himself when  his plans formed.  

Instead  and sadly he was caught up in trying to making up for years that he let his work consume him. By giving his daughter something that they all dreamed  off and he lost sight was  important  not the house on the homeworld but her.  Maybe if he just sat and talked to her  he would have realized that it was not a house  she really wanted.. It was her father. That is the real tragedy of the whole incident.  

The Selfishness comes in when you stop thinking about what the person wants get consumed by  keeping your promise to them and the desire to keep it.  It is a very easy  pit to fall into.  

[Someone With Mass]

Calinstel wrote...

gawd I hope not. It was a rout of the entire race. Bodies everywhere not to mention the destruction

Well, Legion said that they are cleaning it up. Maybe they buried/burned the bodies.

The geth don't really know themselves why they are doing it.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 09 juillet 2010 - 06:16 .

[-Scorch-]

Hey there tali fans, an Aussie tali fanatic joins the ranks!

Just wanted to say stuff and let you know I am here, though I have lurk'd for a fairly long time now. Loving the great fic works from pretty much every author in this thread, keep it up (at least till I have more tali content ME2 DLC or ME3 style :happy:)

Also got something to add to the tali disscussion, I have absolutely no idea where this popped into my head, but I realized how awesomely this song suits tali's story (especially LI tali) and the quarian predicament as a whole.

Colorblind - Counting Crows

Modifié par -Scorch-, 09 juillet 2010 - 06:18 .

[Savakka1]

Tairis Deamhan wrote...

Oh and Calin I'm totally borrowing some of your quarian biology ideas for the primal Tali concept and savannah quarians for my next chapter.

I always liked the idea of ancient Quarians being cheetah like hunters, but still herd animals.

[Tairis Deamhan]

Calinstel wrote...

Go for it, you can never to wrong with Primal Tali!

Full agreement. Actually here's a question for you, if a quarian goes a little loopy IN the suit, what do you think would happen? Obviously scent triggers aren't going to do alot.

[Tairis Deamhan]

Calinstel wrote...

Tairis Deamhan wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

Go for it, you can never to wrong with Primal Tali!

Full agreement. Actually here's a question for you, if a quarian goes a little loopy IN the suit, what do you think would happen? Obviously scent triggers aren't going to do alot.

Frighened animal in a suit?  suit would take damage as well as the surrounding area as it tried to get out.  Anyone trying to help would also get hurt.  Small section in chapter 13 with Shala thinking about an incident on the citadel.

Gotcha. Makes sense. Can definitely work with that.

[Formis_Sage]

nitefyre410 wrote...

NCLanceman wrote...
Rael also hasn't had a selfish impulse in his life (Tali gets it from somewhere, you know). Everything he did was for the fleet. Seriously, that's almost his entire characterization. Just because it was a bad idea doesn't change why he did it.

      

Ah thats were you have read between the lines...

Think about what he was doing.  The construction  of a weapon  to battle the Geth so he could  build his little girl a house on the homeworld.  Well damn what  father would not go that far for their daughter. Thats where  it  starts to back fire... hang tight with me this is going to a   **** to put in words.     

When one loves someone, one should be willing to sacrifice  anything for  said go to know lengths.  

Thats where the selfish nature of his actions come to light.   Did he stop and think would  Tali want this house if it cost the lives of the entire fleet.?  Would she want  me to keep this promise if  it cost me my life and lives of millions if something goes wrong?. These  are the question he should have been asking himself when  his plans formed.  

Instead  and sadly he was caught up in trying to making up for years that he let his work consume him. By giving his daughter something that they all dreamed  off and he lost sight was  important  not the house on the homeworld but her.  Maybe if he just sat and talked to her  he would have realized that it was not a house  she really wanted.. It was her father. That is the real tragedy of the whole incident.  

The Selfishness comes in when you stop thinking about what the person wants get consumed by  keeping your promise to them and the desire to keep it.  It is a very easy  pit to fall into. 

This one hears the truth and wisdom in your words.

[nitefyre410]

huntrrz wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Zeal'Koris   besides  Shala Ra'an have the most sense out of all the  Admirals and Zeal'Koris was acting more like a Father to her than her that  Real EVER did.  He didn't want to put her on trail but what choice  did have her and her father where shipping Geth back to fleet.

 They no matter  how noble their intentions  did something  very very  very stupid  and very  selfish. They put millions of the lives at risk, Zeal'Koris understood that  fact. Yes his punishment was harsh  but the when  your actions carry such heavy consequences then the punishment must be harsh.  

Tali did nothing wrong.  She was following lawful orders and shipping back inert components for what she assumed were static weapons testing.

 

She was wrong  because by her sending the inactive parts back it enable him to make an active Geth.  
 
Tali a smart girl  you send enough inactive parts of geth  back and you can make an active geth and given that the geth are software. A line of code here, a key line of  ode there, have the programmers fill in whats missing. Come on these are  Quarians  give thats how the keep their whole fleet going. 

If the  those were Lawful orders... why was Real hiding the facts he was doing  and why  did she have to go through secret drops  to get the parts back to fleet.    And even if  he did order her to do this explain  his statement about  the her not getting caught in political  blow back.  As told to send inactive parts back as a means to give her a way out because  what  he knew that if he was caught or something went wrong  she was going in caught up in  it as well.  

[Someone With Mass]

Calinstel wrote...

Just to interject something here. It is NOT the hardware that make the geth but the programs running. If they were inactive or just pieces there would be no 'geth' there just mechanical parts.

That's why the heretics are worshiping the Reapers.

They are only software. All it takes is just a few basic codes in the wrong place to change their view entirely.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 09 juillet 2010 - 06:45 .

[nitefyre410]

Calinstel wrote...

Just to interject something here. It is NOT the hardware that make the geth but the programs running. If they were inactive or just pieces there would be no 'geth' there just mechanical parts.

  


I  know ... Thats why mentioned  he was  having   programmers pull  what lines of code he needed from the in active geth.   It mostly at best guess  base line  functions but  Quarians are expert  at takeing nothing and turning into something . A Line of code here, a line there, filling the blanks with new lines.  cut and paste lines of code together and eventual they got what they  were looking for. 

[huntrrz]

nitefyre410 wrote...

huntrrz wrote...

Tali did nothing wrong.  She was following lawful orders and shipping back inert components for what she assumed were static weapons testing.

 

She was wrong  because by her sending the inactive parts back it enable him to make an active Geth.  
 
Tali a smart girl  you send enough inactive parts of geth  back and you can make an active geth and given that the geth are software. A line of code here, a key line of  ode there, have the programmers fill in whats missing. Come on these are  Quarians  give thats how the keep their whole fleet going. 

If the  those were Lawful orders... why was Real hiding the facts he was doing  and why  did she have to go through secret drops  to get the parts back to fleet.    And even if  he did order her to do this explain  his statement about  the her not getting caught in political  blow back.  As told to send inactive parts back as a means to give her a way out because  what  he knew that if he was caught or something went wrong  she was going in caught up in  it as well.  

You are stretching the argument to fit your conclusions.  A Lawful Order is anything a superior officer tells you to do that does not violate regulations - and even then it is a risky proposition to refuse an order unless you can PROVE that it is unlawful.

Tali had no reason to presume that Geth were being assembled from the parts she was sending back.  Even if she speculated that they might be building geth she had no standing to refuse her orders.  You don't get to second-guess your superiors unless you have PROOF they are acting illegally.  (At best you get to grumble with your squad-mates, bucking the system without proof can get you charged with insubordination.)

As to why Rael was 'hiding facts', it is standard procedure to limit information in the military to prevent inadvertent leaks.  And Tali had no way of knowing that Rael was not reporting his activities to the rest of the Admiralty Board.

What Rael was arguing against was ordering Tali to send back "more active parts" that would clearly violate fleet regulations, exposing her to 'poltical blowback'.  What she was doing at the time left her hands clean, meaning "it was legal".

[CptSkull]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

Just to interject something here. It is NOT the hardware that make the geth but the programs running. If they were inactive or just pieces there would be no 'geth' there just mechanical parts.

That's why the heretics are worshiping the Reapers.

They are only software. All it takes is just a few basic codes in the wrong place to change their view entirely.

Tali was also most likely sending Heretic Geth parts back to the Fleet. When those Geth were put back together, they must have been pissed to be in Quarian control.

[NuclearBuddha]

Savakka1 wrote...

Tairis Deamhan wrote...

Oh and Calin I'm totally borrowing some of your quarian biology ideas for the primal Tali concept and savannah quarians for my next chapter.

I always liked the idea of ancient Quarians being cheetah like hunters, but still herd animals.

Quarian Geographic.

[Tairis Deamhan]

Forgot about that one.

[Formis_Sage]

Okay, I'm leaving and going to finish ME1 once again

Edit: And definitely read Ai no Melody by "nitefyre410" while listening to... well, Ai no Melody

Modifié par Formis_Sage, 09 juillet 2010 - 07:13 .

[RiptideX1090]

Tali thread.

[Someone With Mass]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Quarian Geographic.

Hah. Nice...

I knew the bounce was more than just her being restless.