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[Formis_Sage]

Pacifien wrote...

I've never actually felt that the quarians were going to reclaim their homeworld, but even if they did, didn't Tali say the reacclimation process would still take a generation versus 600 years elsewhere? This would mean even as Tali took her first steps onto the homeworld, she still wouldn't be able to remove her suit.
Also, there's an ad played on Illium that promised procedures that will get quarians and voluses out of their suits. Scam or element of truth?
If it takes 600 years for the quarians to acclimate to a new world, that makes me wonder just how long the colonization process must have been. I can't imagine quarian territory was that extensive if the process was that long.

Well, 600 with absolutely unusable immune system they have now.
With their normal immune system it would be much less suppose.

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Modifié par Formis_Sage, 10 juillet 2010 - 08:34 .

[Phil725]

Pacifien wrote...

I've never actually felt that the quarians were going to reclaim their homeworld, but even if they did, didn't Tali say the reacclimation process would still take a generation versus 600 years elsewhere? This would mean even as Tali took her first steps onto the homeworld, she still wouldn't be able to remove her suit.
Also, there's an ad played on Illium that promised procedures that will get quarians and voluses out of their suits. Scam or element of truth?
If it takes 600 years for the quarians to acclimate to a new world, that makes me wonder just how long the colonization process must have been. I can't imagine quarian territory was that extensive if the process was that long.

She estimates 60 years to return to a completely normal life on Rannoch, but that's hardly a concrete number for anything.  She could be saying that it would take that long to have the entire population complete a recolonization effort and be able to not require envirosuits for anything.  She's also hardly a professional geneticist.  She's a soldier, going through severe emotional trauma at the time of the conversation, I wouldn't take anything said then as concrete personally.

The way I see it, a young woman like Tali would be able to reacclimate a lot faster than most of the quarian population, and even if the suits were still required the majority of the time, some adventures outside the suit after a shorter time would likely be possible with immuno boosters and other stuff along those lines.

The ad on Illium was certainly a complete scam.  If it was just quarians it would be slightly more believable, but a cure for the volus at the same percentage as the quarians is just too unbelievable.  A weakened immune system isn't nearly the problem of breathing ammonia and exploding in normal pressure atmospheres.  That ad liekly falls in the Illium criminal practice of doing anything to people once they sign a waiver.

As far as colonizing pre morning war, I imagine it was faster then than now.  Their immune systems were always bad, but growing up on a planet and creating antibodies did strengthen it to somewhat copable levels.

[Someone With Mass]

Formis_Sage wrote...

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Oh, this one's new...

At least for me.

[Pacifien]

The Salarians or Asari would seem like natural partners in developing quarian immune systems but since the Quarians aren't a Citadel species, I can't see the Salarians or Asari taking up the partnership on their own free will. And I suppose the Migrant Fleet has little disposable income: whatever resources and credits they do gather must go back to the maintenance of their ships.

I also wonder if the Quarians are even a bit stubborn about asking other races for help after they were turned away the first time. They were dumped, so I can see them taking a very proud and stubborn stance that they would only depend on themselves from then on.

[Homebound]

Have you guys bought anything from Gamestop recently? They tried to charge me extra just so they would replace the game I bought if they happen to have given me a corrupted copy.

[Phil725]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Formis_Sage wrote...

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Oh, this one's new...

At least for me.

I've seen it, but it doesn't get posted nearly enough

[Fiery Phoenix]

Thanks for posting that picture, Formis. Beautiful stuff.

[Someone With Mass]

Pacifien wrote...

The Salarians or Asari would seem like natural partners in developing quarian immune systems but since the Quarians aren't a Citadel species, I can't see the Salarians or Asari taking up the partnership on their own free will. And I suppose the Migrant Fleet has little disposable income: whatever resources and credits they do gather must go back to the maintenance of their ships.
I also wonder if the Quarians are even a bit stubborn about asking other races for help after they were turned away the first time. They were dumped, so I can see them taking a very proud and stubborn stance that they would only depend on themselves from then on.

There's a little more than just them being turned down.

Very few wants to deal with quarians because of their bad rep.

And the rest of the galaxy is not afraid of kicking the quarians while they're down.

The quarians have simply stopped believing that anyone out there is willing to help them so easily.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 10 juillet 2010 - 08:43 .

[MassDestroyer]

Phil725 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Formis_Sage wrote...

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Oh, this one's new...

At least for me.

I've seen it, but it doesn't get posted nearly enough

 First time I have seen it
Awsome

[Pacifien]

Phil725 wrote...
The way I see it, a young woman like Tali would be able to reacclimate a lot faster than most of the quarian population, and even if the suits were still required the majority of the time, some adventures outside the suit after a shorter time would likely be possible with immuno boosters and other stuff along those lines.

She obviously can survive brief times without the suit contracting little more than a cold, so I would consider any quarian of strong mind and body could handle the allergic response. It'd be a bit miserable (thinking of my local area where an allergy season can turn half the city into misery), but worth it for the feeling of real wind across their bodies.

I'm prone to taking certain details from the game as exaggerations anyway. Quarians weak immune systems are greatly overplayed, as is the dextro-amino acid toxic reaction.

Was rather disappointed they went with the idea that envirosuits were required at all times. I can see the need to wear suits on ships where the threat of a hull breach or engine failure is very real, but I don't see why that should have translated into absolute seclusion from other members of their own species. Unless ship failure was extremely common, I can see them relaxing any suit requirements over time.

[Collider]

I also wonder if the Quarians are even a bit stubborn about asking other races for help after they were turned away the first time. They were dumped, so I can see them taking a very proud and stubborn stance that they would only depend on themselves from then on.

Probably. I noticed this attitude on Tali's loyalty mission. There was a lot of "this human couldn't possibly..." and astonishment that Shepard could, being a human, speak so eloquently in Tali's defense.



I think you'll find, among many minority groups, that there is a sense of pride. I think it was seen in her loyalty mission.

[Phil725]

Pacifien wrote...
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I'm prone to taking certain details from the game as exaggerations anyway. Quarians weak immune systems are greatly overplayed, as is the dextro-amino acid toxic reaction.

Was rather disappointed they went with the idea that envirosuits were required at all times. I can see the need to wear suits on ships where the threat of a hull breach or engine failure is very real, but I don't see why that should have translated into absolute seclusion from other members of their own species. Unless ship failure was extremely common, I can see them relaxing any suit requirements over time.

Agreed, that was a complaint that I had as well.  The talks with Tali in the first game seemed to hint at the quarians not requiring suits on the flotilla as well.  At least that's how I interpreted Tali's mother dying from an outbreak.  Outbreaks in general shouldn't happen with everyone wearing suits at all times.

Wearing suits at all times seems more detrimental than anything else, further weakening their immune systems over time.

[Formis_Sage]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Thanks for posting that picture, Formis. Beautiful stuff.

You're welcome

MassDestroyer wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Formis_Sage wrote...

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Oh, this one's new...../../../images/forum/emoticons/love.png
At least for me.

I've seen it, but it doesn't get posted nearly enough

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Awsome

This one is quite old, I saw it in the second thread if I remember... but still perfect

[Collider]

So far as Tali's mother goes, I interpreted it as her mother being in one of the "clean rooms" - meaning one of the only places on the ship where one can remove their suit in solitude, and the air filter had broken down, therefore causing her mother to get sick and die.

[Pacifien]

I think its the quarian pride that makes me balk at having full appreciation of the quarians. The trials and tribulations of an entire civilization trying to survive only in space intrigues me. But pride irritates me, from anyone. I even call Mordin on it during his loyalty mission.

Given how other civilizations treat the quarians, I can certainly see them needing to take pride in who they are when everyone else is saying they're little more than vagrants. But at some point, you have to stop blaming others for your continuing problems.

I think I'm sounding a lot more harsh against quarians than I actually believe, but I'm not finding the words here.

[Formis_Sage]

Collider wrote...
So far as Tali's mother goes, I interpreted it as her mother being in one of the "clean rooms" - meaning one of the only places on the ship where one can remove their suit in solitude, and the air filter had broken down, therefore causing her mother to get sick and die.

I think that's exactly what happened.

Modifié par Formis_Sage, 10 juillet 2010 - 08:56 .

[MassDestroyer]

You guys should have just seen my dog, she ran behind the couch through the living room and into the kitchen
In more on topic crap I am playing mass effect  curse the lack of Tali romance

[Savakka1]

Pacifien wrote...

I think its the quarian pride that makes me balk at having full appreciation of the quarians. The trials and tribulations of an entire civilization trying to survive only in space intrigues me. But pride irritates me, from anyone. I even call Mordin on it during his loyalty mission.
Given how other civilizations treat the quarians, I can certainly see them needing to take pride in who they are when everyone else is saying they're little more than vagrants. But at some point, you have to stop blaming others for your continuing problems.
I think I'm sounding a lot more harsh against quarians than I actually believe, but I'm not finding the words here.

Outside the admirals, I really  can't remember seeing prideful Quarians. Can you remind me by giving an example?

[El-Destructo]

Formis_Sage wrote...
This one is quite old, I saw it in the second thread if I remember... but still perfect

It's an oldie but a goodie.
I like this one, it is relatively new yet.

[Phil725]

Formis_Sage wrote...

Collider wrote...
So far as Tali's mother goes, I interpreted it as her mother being in one of the "clean rooms" - meaning one of the only places on the ship where one can remove their suit in solitude, and the air filter had broken down, therefore causing her mother to get sick and die.

I think that's exactly what's happened.

In hindsight that's probably how Bioware would explain it, but unless Ascension was written before ME1, and detailed the flotilla before, I would say that's more retconning than anything else. 

[Pacifien]

Phil725 wrote...
Agreed, that was a complaint that I had as well.  The talks with Tali in the first game seemed to hint at the quarians not requiring suits on the flotilla as well.  At least that's how I interpreted Tali's mother dying from an outbreak.  Outbreaks in general shouldn't happen with everyone wearing suits at all times.

Wearing suits at all times seems more detrimental than anything else, further weakening their immune systems over time.

Makes me think of people using antibiotics for anything and everything, leading to bacteria developing even stronger resistances. Sometimes you just gotta let your own immune system work it out.

When did Ascension come out again? I wonder if the story was fully developed before they had any details about the Migrant Fleet mission in ME2 hammered out, or even before they had planned to include the Migrant Fleet in the story.

I can see them coming up with the idea that they must wear envirosuits at all time because the developers were dead set on having the Migrant Fleet in ME2 but still didn't want to design quarians without their envirosuits on. Then the writer just fits that limitation into the book. But if the depiction in the book came first... I don't know. Just didn't like it, and I also figured from Tali's story about her mother that the quarians didn't bother with the envirosuits on their own ships.

[Formis_Sage]

El-Destructo wrote...

Formis_Sage wrote...
This one is quite old, I saw it in the second thread if I remember... but still perfect

It's an oldie but a goodie.
I like this one, it is relatively new yet.

Well, from now I like this one too. (And my computer approves)

[Phil725]

Pacifien wrote...

I think its the quarian pride that makes me balk at having full appreciation of the quarians. The trials and tribulations of an entire civilization trying to survive only in space intrigues me. But pride irritates me, from anyone. I even call Mordin on it during his loyalty mission.
Given how other civilizations treat the quarians, I can certainly see them needing to take pride in who they are when everyone else is saying they're little more than vagrants. But at some point, you have to stop blaming others for your continuing problems.
I think I'm sounding a lot more harsh against quarians than I actually believe, but I'm not finding the words here.

I don't think pride is a large part of anything.  Its not like the quarians have refused help because they want to solve problems themselves, contrarily, I think they will gladly accept Shep's help in ME3.  I just don't think there has been any offers made to help.  The quarians have pretty much been discarded by anyone who matters.

[Collider]

Pacifien wrote...
I think its the quarian pride that makes me balk at having full appreciation of the quarians. The trials and tribulations of an entire civilization trying to survive only in space intrigues me. But pride irritates me, from anyone. I even call Mordin on it during his loyalty mission.
Given how other civilizations treat the quarians, I can certainly see them needing to take pride in who they are when everyone else is saying they're little more than vagrants. But at some point, you have to stop blaming others for your continuing problems.
I think I'm sounding a lot more harsh against quarians than I actually believe, but I'm not finding the words here.

It's not as if everyone on the Fleet was denouncing Shepard for being a human. There were only a few. aside from Korris, none of the admirals even cared that Shepard was human. And you'll find pride among every racial group in Mass Effect. I can understand them as having pride, because as you said, it's a knee-jerk reaction to people calling them scum. Korris himself also does not seem to be proud of being Quarian. Perhaps he is even ashamed.

[Someone With Mass]

Formis_Sage wrote...

Collider wrote...
So far as Tali's mother goes, I interpreted it as her mother being in one of the "clean rooms" - meaning one of the only places on the ship where one can remove their suit in solitude, and the air filter had broken down, therefore causing her mother to get sick and die.

I think that's exactly what happened.

Sounds logical. Things on a ship that old breaks all the time.