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[uhdnrt]

Formis_Sage wrote...
Well, I agree with you, even if the Reapers are not able to stop Thanix cannon, we can't base our fate on it.

Oh, I am not saying it is enough.  Just that it will not nearly be as lopsided as it was during the Battle of the Citadel.

Other things to consider will be what the geth, the quarians, and the rachni will contribute.  Geth tech has advanced, rapidly, in the 2 years between the games.  Having the geth as a vanguard will probably make all the difference.  Not to mention the rachni.  Hell, the geth dropships holding krogan warriors for "insert and destroy" on reaper ships would be frighteningly effective.

I think, in the end, it is going to come down to a suicide mission to enter and disable Harbinger.  Once Harbinger is dead, then it will likely disrupt the reapers enough to allow for victory.

TOP TALI!

Modifié par uhdnrt, 11 juillet 2010 - 02:46 .

[nitefyre410]

Formis_Sage wrote...

uhdnrt wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Not to mention that the Thanix cannon was a scaled down version of Sovereign's weapons. And the Reapers' shields cannot withstand anything. Virgil basically said that.

However. Sovereign never used his main gun in the battle of the Citadel. I really don't want to think about what that bad boy can do to ships like dreadnoughts, if just his arm cannons were enough to kill most ships in the Alliance fleet with one round.

My guess is that the main cannon on a reaper is similar to the main gun on the collector ships.  A prolonged direct hit, without the type of shielding Tali created, would probably destroy a ship.  However, the chances of it hitting a smaller ship is next to nil.  So it is more of a problem if a Reaper decided to bombard a planet.  That is likely what the main cannon is actually for.

Destroying cities from orbit.

At that, remember that the Normandy might have a bigger engine than most frigates, but it still doesn't have the same power core as a dreadnought. Imagine if a dreadnought the size of the Ascencion had Thanix cannons on t. The power, and number of cannons, would easily put it on par strength wise with a Reaper. Not as maneuverable, but still.

Well, that's maybe true but how many dreadnoughts we have and how many they have...

  

turains   36  

Asari : 26  

Salarains : 19  

Humans:.8 


The Reapers  and whole **** ton more. 

[Savakka1]

Orion1836 wrote...

Three words for those wondering how to handle the Reaper fleet:

Black. Hole. Gun.

Risk of that plan backfiring is great.

[Someone With Mass]

Orion1836 wrote...

Three words for those wondering how to handle the Reaper fleet:

Black. Hole. Gun.

THOSE REAPER MAGGOTS WILL BE BANISHED TO THE BLAGHOLE!

[Thelacan]

Someone With Mass wrote...
I mean, why waste time with shooting a dreadnought like Destiny Ascension when they can just line up their main guns and probably destroy it instantly.

Evasive manouvers? Those nimble tentacles offer a lot of manouverability, instead of the mass accelerator weapon the dreadnoughts sport.
Also the stream of molten metal is hell for those kinetic barriers, apparently.

[nitefyre410]

uhdnrt wrote...

Formis_Sage wrote...
Well, I agree with you, even if the Reapers are not able to stop Thanix cannon, we can't base our fate on it.

Oh, I am not saying it is enough.  Just that it will not nearly be as lopsided as it was during the Battle of the Citadel.

Other things to consider will be what the geth, the quarians, and the rachni will contribute.  Geth tech has advanced, rapidly, in the 2 years between the games.  Having the geth as a vanguard will probably make all the difference.  Not to mention the rachni.  Hell, the geth dropships holding krogan warriors for "insert and destroy" on reaper ships would be frighteningly effective.

I think, in the end, it is going to come down to a suicide mission to enter and disable Harbinger.  Once Harbinger is dead, then it will likely disrupt the reapers enough to allow for victory.

  

Now your thinking. in way that reapers wont expect just have to with indoctrination... The Geth immune the others not so much. 

[uhdnrt]

nitefyre410 wrote...
turains   36 
Asari : 26 
Salarains : 19 
Humans:.8
The Reapers  and whole **** ton more.

IIRC, that is what is part of the Citadel fleet from each race.  Humanity has a metric crapton more.  5 fleets worth.  The Turians have more as well.  That's why the Turians and the "upstart humans" are so feared militarily.  They have more guns than everyone else.

[Formis_Sage]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Formis_Sage wrote...

uhdnrt wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Not to mention that the Thanix cannon was a scaled down version of Sovereign's weapons. And the Reapers' shields cannot withstand anything. Virgil basically said that.

However. Sovereign never used his main gun in the battle of the Citadel. I really don't want to think about what that bad boy can do to ships like dreadnoughts, if just his arm cannons were enough to kill most ships in the Alliance fleet with one round.

My guess is that the main cannon on a reaper is similar to the main gun on the collector ships.  A prolonged direct hit, without the type of shielding Tali created, would probably destroy a ship.  However, the chances of it hitting a smaller ship is next to nil.  So it is more of a problem if a Reaper decided to bombard a planet.  That is likely what the main cannon is actually for.

Destroying cities from orbit.

At that, remember that the Normandy might have a bigger engine than most frigates, but it still doesn't have the same power core as a dreadnought. Imagine if a dreadnought the size of the Ascencion had Thanix cannons on t. The power, and number of cannons, would easily put it on par strength wise with a Reaper. Not as maneuverable, but still.

Well, that's maybe true but how many dreadnoughts we have and how many they have...

  

turains   36  

Asari : 26  

Salarains : 19  

Humans:.8 


The Reapers  and whole **** ton more. 

Army of 99 Dreadnoughts a thousands of cruisers, frigates.... against army of maybe tens og thousands of Dreadnoughts.... Thanks, but this would be f*cking Suicide.

Modifié par Formis_Sage, 11 juillet 2010 - 02:52 .

[Hicrodonma]

Nice thinking Uhdnrt. There is more to space warfare than boadsides or rather the space equivalent. Boarding actions, Electronic/Cyberwarfare, and mines.

[Someone With Mass]

Thelacan wrote...

Evasive manouvers? Those nimble tentacles offer a lot of manouverability, instead of the mass accelerator weapon the dreadnoughts sport.
Also the stream of molten metal is hell for those kinetic barriers, apparently.

Evasive manouvers won't do anything when you're surrounded by a fleet of hundreds, if not thousands of ships that all have the same kind of weapon that you really don't want them to use on your ship. Anyone of them can at any moment fire the weapon without you noticing.

But I guess their arm cannons are enough.

We're going to need help.

[uhdnrt]

nitefyre410 wrote...
Now your thinking. in way that reapers wont expect just have to with indoctrination... The Geth immune the others not so much.

Indocrination takes time.  Not something to worry about during insertion manuevers that should, ideally, last no more than an 30 minutes to an hour.  Indoctrination is dangerous long term, but not short term.

Hell, EDI's anti-reaper suites (which could be shared with the geth and/or adapted by the quarians) would likely make all the difference in the final battle.

[Formis_Sage]

uhdnrt wrote...
I think, in the end, it is going to come down to a suicide mission to enter and disable Harbinger.  Once Harbinger is dead, then it will likely disrupt the reapers enough to allow for victory.

The Reapers are not dependent on Harbinger...

[Titanium Man]

Orion1836 wrote...

Three words for those wondering how to handle the Reaper fleet:

Black. Hole. Gun.

Black Hole Gun~
Won't you come~
And wash the daemon away~

[Hicrodonma]

Also as I previously mentioned there are the Batarians to think of. Also the Geth. The Quarians. The Rachni. And before I forget an Army of Krogans for boarding actions because I have a cure for the genophage.

[uhdnrt]

Considering how powerful they have implied the Reapers are, it is likely going to come down to Harbinger vs Shepard. Or whichever Reaper was the first. Kill the heart of the Hydra, not the heads so to speak.

[nitefyre410]

uhdnrt wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
turains   36 
Asari : 26 
Salarains : 19 
Humans:.8
The Reapers  and whole **** ton more.

IIRC, that is what is part of the Citadel fleet from each race.  Humanity has a metric crapton more.  5 fleets worth.  The Turians have more as well.  That's why the Turians and the "upstart humans" are so feared militarily.  They have more guns than everyone else.

  

Humanity only has 8  Dreadnoughts in service period not  just in the  Citadel... check the  in games codex...


BTW does any one read those... that Answer pretty all the  question   

[uhdnrt]

Formis_Sage wrote...
The Reapers are not dependent on Harbinger...

Are we certain?  If the first reaper falls, wouldn't the rest be likely to retreat, at the very least?

[Someone With Mass]

Formis_Sage wrote...

uhdnrt wrote...
I think, in the end, it is going to come down to a suicide mission to enter and disable Harbinger.  Once Harbinger is dead, then it will likely disrupt the reapers enough to allow for victory.

The Reapers are not dependent on Harbinger...

"We are each a nation. Independent. Free of all weakness."

[Formis_Sage]

uhdnrt wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
Now your thinking. in way that reapers wont expect just have to with indoctrination... The Geth immune the others not so much.

Indocrination takes time.  Not something to worry about during insertion manuevers that should, ideally, last no more than an 30 minutes to an hour.  Indoctrination is dangerous long term, but not short term.

Hell, EDI's anti-reaper suites (which could be shared with the geth and/or adapted by the quarians) would likely make all the difference in the final battle.

EDI doesn't have any anti-reaper suites.
Anti-Reaper algorythm if I remember but those suites weren't anti-reaper.

[Formis_Sage]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Formis_Sage wrote...

uhdnrt wrote...
I think, in the end, it is going to come down to a suicide mission to enter and disable Harbinger.  Once Harbinger is dead, then it will likely disrupt the reapers enough to allow for victory.

The Reapers are not dependent on Harbinger...

"We are each a nation. Independent. Free of all weakness."

Exactly.

[Thelacan]

Calinstel wrote...

We are each a nation....Soveriegn stated that.  Independant

Soo... Shepard goes with shuttle from reaper to reaper, trying to ULB them to see reason, instead of the Harbringer?