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[RiptideX1090]

Wolf Warden wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I'd tie him to the table. I'd melt his tongue and teeth with acids. I'd use Tali's knife, and push the tip under his eyelids, slowly scratching his eyes out, and cutting off his eyelids. I'd use a paper clip to skin him completely.

I could go on and on...

I REALLY hate TIM and Cerberus...

  sick...I would just settle for using his money and blowing up his toys - maybe locking him in a room with Grunt and telling Grunt that TIM said he was a weak Krogan.

I hate TIM to the extreme...

You read what he did to that quarian in Ascension? The thought of that happening to Tali...

No... Cerberus will BURN!

[RedTracer7]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I REALLY hate TIM and Cerberus...

That would be a stone cold fact.  The Guide is quite clear on this...:happy:

The 'S' on several is unlinked. you should fix that.

Good eye!  I've actually been rather busy, with little time to update it (its been about a week since I added anyone )  I intend to have a big update tommorrow night.  That shall be fixed.

[Wolf Warden]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Wolf Warden wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I'd tie him to the table. I'd melt his tongue and teeth with acids. I'd use Tali's knife, and push the tip under his eyelids, slowly scratching his eyes out, and cutting off his eyelids. I'd use a paper clip to skin him completely.

I could go on and on...

I REALLY hate TIM and Cerberus...

  sick...I would just settle for using his money and blowing up his toys - maybe locking him in a room with Grunt and telling Grunt that TIM said he was a weak Krogan.

I hate TIM to the extreme...

You read what he did to that quarian in Ascension? The thought of that happening to Tali...

No... Cerberus will BURN!

No...I din't read it yet but I hear it involved acid and knives.  Tali suffering such a fate with just my limited understanding of what happened warrants a violent response.  With all the "revenge killing doesn't fix things" that Paragon Shepard tells Garrus, I wonder what would happen if Tali died b/c of Cerberus - would he practice what he preeches?

[Kira Shepard]

Hey there. I miss anything interesting?

[RedTracer7]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I hate TIM to the extreme...

You read what he did to that quarian in Ascension? The thought of that happening to Tali...

No... Cerberus will BURN!

To be fair, that incident with Hilo was Pel and Golo's fault.  TIM never told them extract the information is such a horrible way.  Infact, the book seems to suggest that they resorted to such techniques because Golo cracked Hilo's faceplate, and their time was limited before Hilo died.

[RiptideX1090]

Wolf Warden wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Wolf Warden wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I'd tie him to the table. I'd melt his tongue and teeth with acids. I'd use Tali's knife, and push the tip under his eyelids, slowly scratching his eyes out, and cutting off his eyelids. I'd use a paper clip to skin him completely.

I could go on and on...

I REALLY hate TIM and Cerberus...

  sick...I would just settle for using his money and blowing up his toys - maybe locking him in a room with Grunt and telling Grunt that TIM said he was a weak Krogan.

I hate TIM to the extreme...

You read what he did to that quarian in Ascension? The thought of that happening to Tali...

No... Cerberus will BURN!

No...I din't read it yet but I hear it involved acid and knives.  Tali suffering such a fate with just my limited understanding of what happened warrants a violent response.  With all the "revenge killing doesn't fix things" that Paragon Shepard tells Garrus, I wonder what would happen if Tali died b/c of Cerberus - would he practice what he preeches?

Honestly?

I believe in revenge on a personal level. If someone killed Tali, I'd do some horrific things to them.

But... that's where Garrus comes in. I taught Garrus to be better than that. When I stopped him from killing Sidonis, it was because, while I would have killed the traitor if I was Garrus, I was there to stop him, because he's my friend, and I don't want that on his conscious. If I was about to do something similar to Tali's killer... and the tables were turned... I'd hope he'd be there to stop me.

Because nothing else in the universe could.

[Kira Shepard]

Nothing huh? Or is it just a slow day? Or am I being actively ignored?

[Wolf Warden]

RedTracer7 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I hate TIM to the extreme...

You read what he did to that quarian in Ascension? The thought of that happening to Tali...

No... Cerberus will BURN!

To be fair, that incident with Hilo was Pel and Golo's fault.  TIM never told them extract the information is such a horrible way.  Infact, the book seems to suggest that they resorted to such techniques because Golo cracked Hilo's faceplate, and their time was limited before Hilo died.

Was Hilo a major character in the story?

[Wolf Warden]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Honestly?

I believe in revenge on a personal level. If someone killed Tali, I'd do some horrific things to them.

But... that's where Garrus comes in. I taught Garrus to be better than that. When I stopped him from killing Sidonis, it was because, while I would have killed the traitor if I was Garrus, I was there to stop him, because he's my friend, and I don't want that on his conscious. If I was about to do something similar to Tali's killer... and the tables were turned... I'd hope he'd be there to stop me.

Because nothing else in the universe could.

Yeah, Garrus would be the only one to talk me down.  I wish I could make him the XO of the Normandy and fire Miranda (or at least demote her).

...afterwards, Garrus would help me bury the body too.

[RiptideX1090]

RedTracer7 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I hate TIM to the extreme...

You read what he did to that quarian in Ascension? The thought of that happening to Tali...

No... Cerberus will BURN!

To be fair, that incident with Hilo was Pel and Golo's fault.  TIM never told them extract the information is such a horrible way.  Infact, the book seems to suggest that they resorted to such techniques because Golo cracked Hilo's faceplate, and their time was limited before Hilo died.

Ha.

It's never the Illusive Man's fault. Is it?

Hilo? Nope.

Jack? Nope.

Overlord? Nope.

Face it. Do you think he would have  cared in the end? About any of them? As long as TIM gets what he wants, he doesn't care if he buys and tortures a few dozen child slaves. He doesn't care if a few quarians get their eyelids torn off. He sure as hell doesn't give a damn about what happened to David.

He plays you by saying it's regrettable, that it's the hard choices that only he is willing to make.

BULL****. He's a psychopath an a murderer. The only difference between him and Stalin is that he's better at lying to your face about it.

[RedTracer7]

Wolf Warden wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I hate TIM to the extreme...

You read what he did to that quarian in Ascension? The thought of that happening to Tali...

No... Cerberus will BURN!

To be fair, that incident with Hilo was Pel and Golo's fault.  TIM never told them extract the information is such a horrible way.  Infact, the book seems to suggest that they resorted to such techniques because Golo cracked Hilo's faceplate, and their time was limited before Hilo died.

Was Hilo a major character in the story?

--SPOILERS BELOW--

Ascension actually delves quite extensivly into quarian culture and society.  Its a must read for anyone who trully wants to understand Tali's people.  As to Hilo, no, he's a minor character tortured for the sole purpose of getting the "code phrase" for a ship to return to the Migrant Fleet. His torture just so happens to be excessivly extreme.

[Wolf Warden]

RedTracer7 wrote...

Wolf Warden wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I hate TIM to the extreme...

You read what he did to that quarian in Ascension? The thought of that happening to Tali...

No... Cerberus will BURN!

To be fair, that incident with Hilo was Pel and Golo's fault.  TIM never told them extract the information is such a horrible way.  Infact, the book seems to suggest that they resorted to such techniques because Golo cracked Hilo's faceplate, and their time was limited before Hilo died.

Was Hilo a major character in the story?

--SPOILERS BELOW--

Ascension actually delves quite extensivly into quarian culture and society.  Its a must read for anyone who trully wants to understand Tali's people.  As to Hilo, no, he's a minor character tortured for the sole purpose of getting the "code phrase" for a ship to return to the Migrant Fleet. His torture just so happens to be excessivly extreme.

Is the book any good?

[Kira Shepard]

Garrus is a better man than me. My shep built his carrier when he went on a revenge trip even though he's a very nice guy most of the time.

If something like mindoir happened to him again but on a more personal level like tali's death there would be nothing that would stop me. There would be no place in heaven, hell, or the galaxy that those responsible could hide. Anyone who was responseable, anyone who profitted from it anyone who was even remotely aware of it would die. I'm talking a "Man on Fire" revenge trip amped up to eleven.

[cannedcream]

THINGS CC HAS LEARNED TODAY:



1) Highway 55 is apparently located in the Twilight Zone as the crap I've seen (and have heard other people seeing) on that road just keeps getting weirder.



2) My cat is a goddamn superhero, able to leap tall dressers in a single bound.



3) If I try to respond to my problems with quiet dignity and grace, they will only get worse. However; if I make a big enough ASS of myself, it will appease the gods and all will be solved, thus making me look like an even bigger ass.



Such is life.



Anyway. Topics?

[Kira Shepard]

cannedcream wrote...

THINGS CC HAS LEARNED TODAY:

1) Highway 55 is apparently located in the Twilight Zone as the crap I've seen (and have heard other people seeing) on that road just keeps getting weirder.

2) My cat is a goddamn superhero, able to leap tall dressers in a single bound.

3) If I try to respond to my problems with quiet dignity and grace, they will only get worse. However; if I make a big enough ASS of myself, it will appease the gods and all will be solved, thus making me look like an even bigger ass.

Such is life.

Anyway. Topics?

shep's potential revenge trip if someone offed tali.

[RedTracer7]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Ha.

It's never the Illusive Man's fault. Is it?

Hilo? Nope.

Jack? Nope.

Overlord? Nope.

Face it. Do you think he would have  cared in the end? About any of them? As long as TIM gets what he wants, he doesn't care if he buys and tortures a few dozen child slaves. He doesn't care if a few quarians get their eyelids torn off. He sure as hell doesn't give a damn about what happened to David.

He plays you by saying it's regrettable, that it's the hard choices that only he is willing to make.

BULL****. He's a psychopath an a murderer. The only difference between him and Stalin is that he's better at lying to your face about it.

You cannot judge a man, an organization, by the actions his/it's subordinates take, unless those actions come about because of direct orders.  TIM tells people to accomplish something.  Its up to them to make the decisions as to how to accomplish them.

There is ample evidence to suggest that not all of his people take extreme measures to accomplish their goals.  Miranda and Jacob in Mass Effect Galaxy, for example, save the Council without torture or excessive violence.

[RiptideX1090]

Kira Shepard wrote...

Garrus is a better man than me. My shep built his carrier when he went on a revenge trip even though he's a very nice guy most of the time.
If something like mindoir happened to him again but on a more personal level like tali's death there would be nothing that would stop me. There would be no place in heaven, hell, or the galaxy that those responsible could hide. Anyone who was responseable, anyone who profitted from it anyone who was even remotely aware of it would die. I'm talking a "Man on Fire" revenge trip amped up to eleven.

DAMN STRAIGHT.

And I hope if that ever happened... Garrus would be there to pull the gun from my hand, before I aimed it at the head of the universe.

Or my own...

[RedTracer7]

Wolf Warden wrote...

Is the book any good?

I found it to be a decent read, and its rather short (to my standards, at least).  It's written by Bioware's lead writer, so yeah, I would say its good.

[Strawberry Kiwi]

cannedcream wrote...

THINGS CC HAS LEARNED TODAY:

1) Highway 55 is apparently located in the Twilight Zone as the crap I've seen (and have heard other people seeing) on that road just keeps getting weirder.

2) My cat is a goddamn superhero, able to leap tall dressers in a single bound.

3) If I try to respond to my problems with quiet dignity and grace, they will only get worse. However; if I make a big enough ASS of myself, it will appease the gods and all will be solved, thus making me look like an even bigger ass.

Such is life.

Anyway. Topics?

1) Sounds increasingly interesting.

2) I lol'd.
3) Did you smash your PC, after attempting, and ultimately failing to fix the problem you've been having with logic?

Modifié par Strawberry Kiwi, 12 juillet 2010 - 05:18 .

[cannedcream]

Wolf Warden wrote...


No...I din't read it yet but I hear it involved acid and knives.  Tali suffering such a fate with just my limited understanding of what happened warrants a violent response.  With all the "revenge killing doesn't fix things" that Paragon Shepard tells Garrus, I wonder what would happen if Tali died b/c of Cerberus - would he practice what he preeches?

I believe Shepard would remind Garrus to do as he says, not as he does while loading his gun. Probably with incinerator ammo just to increase the hurt.

[RiptideX1090]

RedTracer7 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Ha.

It's never the Illusive Man's fault. Is it?

Hilo? Nope.

Jack? Nope.

Overlord? Nope.

Face it. Do you think he would have  cared in the end? About any of them? As long as TIM gets what he wants, he doesn't care if he buys and tortures a few dozen child slaves. He doesn't care if a few quarians get their eyelids torn off. He sure as hell doesn't give a damn about what happened to David.

He plays you by saying it's regrettable, that it's the hard choices that only he is willing to make.

BULL****. He's a psychopath an a murderer. The only difference between him and Stalin is that he's better at lying to your face about it.

You cannot judge a man, an organization, by the actions his/it's subordinates take, unless those actions come about because of direct orders.  TIM tells people to accomplish something.  Its up to them to make the decisions as to how to accomplish them.

There is ample evidence to suggest that not all of his people take extreme measures to accomplish their goals.  Miranda and Jacob in Mass Effect Galaxy, for example, save the Council without torture or excessive violence.

You're an idiot. A man tells his subordinate, who has a record of rape, torture, murder, and arson, to extract information from a woman with intel, should he be surprised when the woman ends up a broken, burned, ravaged mess?

TIM is guilty, because he knows EXACTLY how these people work, and he just turns them loose. He's even more guilty, because he has the power to STOP them.

I will annhilhate him and his entire organization.

[cannedcream]

Strawberry Kiwi wrote...

3) Did you brutally smash your PC, after failing to attempt to fix the problem you've been having with logic?

No. Tempting, though.
After breaking the desktop and then thinking I broke the laptop, I brought both into a Best Buy to have them looked at. the desktop will be gone for several days, but all the laptop needed was the fifty pounds of dirt and dust cleaned out of it.
The change in heat and noise is incredible!

Anyway, before all of this I sent out several e-mails to all of my friends out of state and several internet contacts telling them I'd probably be gone for awhile and why and ****ing about it. . . only to find the laptop sill works fine and can be used for interneting until the desktop gets (HOPEFULLY) fixed.
I then got to send out another e-mail several hours later apologizing and asking to ignore the first.

[Kira Shepard]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Kira Shepard wrote...

Garrus is a better man than me. My shep built his carrier when he went on a revenge trip even though he's a very nice guy most of the time.
If something like mindoir happened to him again but on a more personal level like tali's death there would be nothing that would stop me. There would be no place in heaven, hell, or the galaxy that those responsible could hide. Anyone who was responseable, anyone who profitted from it anyone who was even remotely aware of it would die. I'm talking a "Man on Fire" revenge trip amped up to eleven.

DAMN STRAIGHT.

And I hope if that ever happened... Garrus would be there to pull the gun from my hand, before I aimed it at my own...

No. ANYONE. I don't care if it was the council, I don't care if it was some lowlife batarian, it could be wrex liara ash thane lia'vael ANYONE responseable dies. Anyone tries to get in my way they die too. They'll learn exactly how I earned the moniker "The butcher of torfan". They killed her an in so doing they woke up the dragon.
Message recieved motherf*ckers.
Look for my reply in the thunder.

and once that's done. once they're all dead or suffering...well Garrus better be ready to save me from eating a bullet.