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RedTracer7 wrote...
RiptideX1090 wrote...
No. You're just trying to keep things civil. I respect that.
This is just kinda our thing, Red and I. He's pro Cerberus. I'm anti-Cerberus. We get into it, but we're still cool at the end of the day.
Right Red?
Yep.
Hey, we all have our differences, but I think we all can agree, that TIM is a sharp dressed and tact man.RedTracer7 wrote...
RiptideX1090 wrote...
No. You're just trying to keep things civil. I respect that.
This is just kinda our thing, Red and I. He's pro Cerberus. I'm anti-Cerberus. We get into it, but we're still cool at the end of the day.
Right Red?
Yep.
RedTracer7 wrote...
Just_mike wrote...
RedTracer7 wrote...
RiptideX1090 wrote...
It's Red. He knows I don't mean it.
Mostly.
We've gone round and round about this. At this point? We're basically on repeat.
It's true. When we start at this, I know it'll eventually end with someone approaching 'rawr!'
But every once in awhile, I have to stand up for human interests. Cerberus gets so much bashing on this thread.
Cerberus isnt for human interests. Human interests is peace across the galaxy and a better understanding of the wonders around them such us the other races. This is the interest of Humanity. Cerberus is interested in Cerberus interests.
Can you name a Cerberus project or cell that wasn't in Humanity's best interests?
I would, but then I realized I've never written anything set in Mass Effect, and it would probably stink.Kira Shepard wrote...
who wants to write a Revenge trip shepard?
RedTracer7 wrote...
RiptideX1090 wrote...
RedTracer7 wrote...
RiptideX1090 wrote...
You're an idiot.
I'm quite happy you swore yourself to this path AFTER Cerberus saved Shepard, Tali, and the galaxy at large.
I'm quite happy you routinely disregard the positive attributes Cerberus and Tim had displayed.
I'm quite happy you muddle your own intentions by imitating Cerberus in its apparent methods.
They saved Shepard. My Shepard's life. But that life is NOT worth everything else he has done. He has committed attrocities of the highest order. He will die. And he didn't save Tali. SHEPARD DID.
The devil smiles with a grin that makes babies giggle and good men laugh with content bliss. That doesn't make him trustworthy. In fact, quite the opposite.
No. I constrain my rage and my wrath to the guilty. Cerberus attacks, destroys, and tortured the innocent. Children. People who haven't hurt anyone. People who can't fight back. I will fight for them.
If Cerberus saved Shepard, then they indirectly saved Tali. Remove Cerberus, you remove Shepard from Haestrom. And without Shepard you have an injured Kal'Reegar dying from an overwhelming geth attack, before they break into Tali's tower, and kill her too.
The devil's grin does not make him trustworthy. It makes him useful.
I cannot disregard or contest this third point. Cerberus does do these things. But do the ends justify the means? I would say so, but I know we will disagree on this point.
Just_mike wrote...
There was that thing about bringing about the Rachni, or enslaving the Thorian creeper, or sicking a horde of Thresher Maws at my Sole Survivor Shep's squad.
cannedcream wrote...
RedTracer7 wrote...
RiptideX1090 wrote...
No. You're just trying to keep things civil. I respect that.
This is just kinda our thing, Red and I. He's pro Cerberus. I'm anti-Cerberus. We get into it, but we're still cool at the end of the day.
Right Red?
Yep.
Then carry on.
But remember: I'm watching and I wield devastating amounts of absolutely no power here.
RedTracer7 wrote...
Just_mike wrote...
There was that thing about bringing about the Rachni, or enslaving the Thorian creeper, or sicking a horde of Thresher Maws at my Sole Survivor Shep's squad.
Domesticated Rachni would make excellent first-line, expendable, troops.
I don't remember them having anything to do with the Creeper...
The Thresher Maw attack was an attempt to quantify and examine how effective Maw attacks were, and if it was possible to resist them (the high death toll says no). All excellent knowledge that now only humanity has.
And the Turian Hierarchy should be destroyed for what they did to the Krogan and how they treated the Humans when they made First Contact.RiptideX1090 wrote...
RedTracer7 wrote...
RiptideX1090 wrote...
RedTracer7 wrote...
RiptideX1090 wrote...
You're an idiot.
I'm quite happy you swore yourself to this path AFTER Cerberus saved Shepard, Tali, and the galaxy at large.
I'm quite happy you routinely disregard the positive attributes Cerberus and Tim had displayed.
I'm quite happy you muddle your own intentions by imitating Cerberus in its apparent methods.
They saved Shepard. My Shepard's life. But that life is NOT worth everything else he has done. He has committed attrocities of the highest order. He will die. And he didn't save Tali. SHEPARD DID.
The devil smiles with a grin that makes babies giggle and good men laugh with content bliss. That doesn't make him trustworthy. In fact, quite the opposite.
No. I constrain my rage and my wrath to the guilty. Cerberus attacks, destroys, and tortured the innocent. Children. People who haven't hurt anyone. People who can't fight back. I will fight for them.
If Cerberus saved Shepard, then they indirectly saved Tali. Remove Cerberus, you remove Shepard from Haestrom. And without Shepard you have an injured Kal'Reegar dying from an overwhelming geth attack, before they break into Tali's tower, and kill her too.
The devil's grin does not make him trustworthy. It makes him useful.
I cannot disregard or contest this third point. Cerberus does do these things. But do the ends justify the means? I would say so, but I know we will disagree on this point.
My life, Reeger's life, and... even Tali's life... does not absolve him of the things he has done. I believe in responsibility, as does Samara. A good man can still do horrible things, and he must own up to that. TIM WILL own up to the things he has done. I will make sure of it.
As a tool. Tools are cast aside once the wielder no longer needs them. Right now? I no longer need him. I'm going to kill him.
WHAT DID HE EVER DO THAT JUSTIFIED ANYTHING!? Hilo and the attack on the Cyniad and the Idenna got him NOTHING! Project SUBJECT ZERO and the deaths of dozens, possibly hundreds of children got him NOTHING. Why not just WAIT!? The biotics will advance on their own! Look at Ascension! Sure, it might be slower, but there is less risk and less pain and misery, while still arriving at the same end. And if you're compromising the lives of the biotics you're trying to make more powerful, WHAT IS THE POINT!? And what aboud DAVID? You have LEGION! You have a way of talking to the geth! Overlord should have been shut down! Even if you dont' count Legion, what they did to that poor man... brain raping him to the point of complete insanity... it's not worth it. It's not worth a thousand, or a million lives. If those people that it would have saved were content to let someone make that sacrifice for them... they were not worth saving.
**** is always real here.SpatFieya wrote...
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RiptideX1090 wrote...
RedTracer7 wrote...
Just_mike wrote...
There was that thing about bringing about the Rachni, or enslaving the Thorian creeper, or sicking a horde of Thresher Maws at my Sole Survivor Shep's squad.
Domesticated Rachni would make excellent first-line, expendable, troops.
I don't remember them having anything to do with the Creeper...
The Thresher Maw attack was an attempt to quantify and examine how effective Maw attacks were, and if it was possible to resist them (the high death toll says no). All excellent knowledge that now only humanity has.
They could have asked, you know, the turians, or the asari, or something...
You know... those guys who have been dealing with Maws for a few THOUSAND YEARS!?
Gust4v wrote...
lol. FailShepard.Runescapeguy9 wrote...
Somewhat relevant, in an attempt to lighten the mood
RiptideX1090 wrote...
No. I constrain my rage and my wrath to the guilty. Cerberus attacks, destroys, and tortured the innocent. Children. People who haven't hurt anyone. People who can't fight back. I will fight for them.
CptSkull wrote...
And the Turian Hierarchy should be destroyed for what they did to the Krogan and how they treated the Humans when they made First Contact.
cannedcream wrote...
RiptideX1090 wrote...
RedTracer7 wrote...
Just_mike wrote...
There was that thing about bringing about the Rachni, or enslaving the Thorian creeper, or sicking a horde of Thresher Maws at my Sole Survivor Shep's squad.
Domesticated Rachni would make excellent first-line, expendable, troops.
I don't remember them having anything to do with the Creeper...
The Thresher Maw attack was an attempt to quantify and examine how effective Maw attacks were, and if it was possible to resist them (the high death toll says no). All excellent knowledge that now only humanity has.
They could have asked, you know, the turians, or the asari, or something...
You know... those guys who have been dealing with Maws for a few THOUSAND YEARS!?
Cerberus seems content with killing a few dozen humans rather than asking another species for help.
It's a super-sized equivalent of refusing to stop and asking for directions. Only instead of driving in circles for a few hours, a bunch of people die in horrific ways.
- would Cerberus have any reason to capture/influence/torture/kill Tali. Would they risk it? Would it be worth it to do such a thing in an attempt to control Shepard if he gets "out of line" and gets too "idealistic"?
Guest_Runescapeguy9_*
And to close the loop, I bring up my ET playthroughs.Wolf Warden wrote...
To bring it back to Tali though - I guess
Wolf Warden wrote...
cannedcream wrote...
RiptideX1090 wrote...
RedTracer7 wrote...
Just_mike wrote...
There was that thing about bringing about the Rachni, or enslaving the Thorian creeper, or sicking a horde of Thresher Maws at my Sole Survivor Shep's squad.
Domesticated Rachni would make excellent first-line, expendable, troops.
I don't remember them having anything to do with the Creeper...
The Thresher Maw attack was an attempt to quantify and examine how effective Maw attacks were, and if it was possible to resist them (the high death toll says no). All excellent knowledge that now only humanity has.
They could have asked, you know, the turians, or the asari, or something...
You know... those guys who have been dealing with Maws for a few THOUSAND YEARS!?
Cerberus seems content with killing a few dozen humans rather than asking another species for help.
It's a super-sized equivalent of refusing to stop and asking for directions. Only instead of driving in circles for a few hours, a bunch of people die in horrific ways.
To bring it back to Tali though - I guess
RiptideX1090 wrote...
My life, Reeger's life, and... even Tali's life... does not absolve him of the things he has done. I believe in responsibility, as does Samara. A good man can still do horrible things, and he must own up to that. TIM WILL own up to the things he has done. I will make sure of it.
As a tool. Tools are cast aside once the wielder no longer needs them. Right now? I no longer need him. I'm going to kill him.
WHAT DID HE EVER DO THAT JUSTIFIED ANYTHING!? Hilo and the attack on the Cyniad and the Idenna got him NOTHING! Project SUBJECT ZERO and the deaths of dozens, possibly hundreds of children got him NOTHING. Why not just WAIT!? The biotics will advance on their own! Look at Ascension! Sure, it might be slower, but there is less risk and less pain and misery, while still arriving at the same end. And if you're compromising the lives of the biotics you're trying to make more powerful, WHAT IS THE POINT!? And what aboud DAVID? You have LEGION! You have a way of talking to the geth! Overlord should have been shut down! Even if you dont' count Legion, what they did to that poor man... brain raping him to the point of complete insanity... it's not worth it. It's not worth a thousand, or a million lives. If those people that it would have saved were content to let someone make that sacrifice for them... they were not worth saving.
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