RedTracer7 wrote...
RiptideX1090 wrote...
My life, Reeger's life, and... even Tali's life... does not absolve him of the things he has done. I believe in responsibility, as does Samara. A good man can still do horrible things, and he must own up to that. TIM WILL own up to the things he has done. I will make sure of it.
As a tool. Tools are cast aside once the wielder no longer needs them. Right now? I no longer need him. I'm going to kill him.
WHAT DID HE EVER DO THAT JUSTIFIED ANYTHING!? Hilo and the attack on the Cyniad and the Idenna got him NOTHING! Project SUBJECT ZERO and the deaths of dozens, possibly hundreds of children got him NOTHING. Why not just WAIT!? The biotics will advance on their own! Look at Ascension! Sure, it might be slower, but there is less risk and less pain and misery, while still arriving at the same end. And if you're compromising the lives of the biotics you're trying to make more powerful, WHAT IS THE POINT!? And what aboud DAVID? You have LEGION! You have a way of talking to the geth! Overlord should have been shut down! Even if you dont' count Legion, what they did to that poor man... brain raping him to the point of complete insanity... it's not worth it. It's not worth a thousand, or a million lives. If those people that it would have saved were content to let someone make that sacrifice for them... they were not worth saving.
Rorschach would be proud of your black and white morality.
RiptideX1090: Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon. That's always been the difference between us, Red.
And what happens when this tool, that you destroyed, is needed in the future? A man without a hammer cannot rebuild a house.
Biotic power is a definate, quantifiable goal. The stronger biotics humanity has, the stronger humanity's place in the galaxy. Grissom Academy is... quaint, but its slow. Sometimes progress has to be made in the face of safety. Sometimes nuclear weapons have to be tested without full understanding of the sideffects.
Why work through Legion? He is nothing but an emissary. Think of David as a way past the facade the Geth have developed. A way in which they can be influenced completely by humanity's will.
As to: "If those people that it would have saved were content to let someone make that sacrifice for them... they were not worth saving." Tell me, then, did you save the Council, or did you let them die? If you saved them, then the Council should be ashamed of the deaths they caused, on the Alliance Ships destroyed in their resuce. If you let the Council Die, then those Alliance soldiers should be ashamed of the deaths of the Council and those aboard the Destiny Acension.
While I'm disgusted with Rorshach's beliefs and some of his actions, I really do love the character.
The universe got along just fine without TIM, and once the Reapers are gone, he and Shepard will both no longer be needed. Pointless to build a house when you've already built a city.
These aren't nukes we're talking about. They're people. Children. They are not weapons. They have great capacity for destruction, but so does carpet bombing. Use that in the mean time.
And I saved them. It was a WILLING sacrifice made by the men and women who picked up the rifle and looked to the sky, hoping for something better, not made by autistic children and on the backs and lives of child slavery. Their children will grow up in a unified galaxy that doesn't fear them, but respects them. The Council was not worth saving. What they represent, unity, tolerance, acceptance are. It's not perfect and they have a long way to go, but once this war is over, once I've united the galaxy, it will be worth it. When a quarian and a human can walk down the halls of the Citadel as equals, and not with one owning or subjugating the other, it will have all been worth it to me. Those men and women's lives, and my life if necessary are worth that. When our people are accepted and respected, not hated and feared, I will sleep easy, knowing I made the right choice. It will happen. Eventually. Even if I have to tear down the current council to do it, Anderson and I WILL unify this galaxy. One way or another.
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- would Cerberus have any reason to capture/influence/torture/kill Tali. Would they risk it? Would it be worth it to do such a thing in an attempt to control Shepard if he gets "out of line" and gets too "idealistic"?
I was like "Then Shepard would have flashbacks of happier times with Tali, but in the realworld, he had alienated all his friends and sank deeper and deeper into alcohol. Then it would end with Shepard being an old man, thanking everyone sticking with his for as long as they did while he looks at a Quarian suspended in some sort of status pod. As Tali re-opens her eyes, Shepard looks at her smiling, and passes away in her arms.":P
