258292 réponses à ce sujet

[Someone With Mass]

jtav wrote...

Does anyone know what variables are stored for import to ME3 when it comes to Tali's trial? Does it matter if you told the admirals to go to war? Will handing over the evidence have consequences beyond ME2?

No, sorry.

But I wouldn't like it if the whole decision of going to war or not rested on those few words at the end of the trial.

I think it's based mostly on how the trial ended. Like if Tali was exiled but loyal, exiled and hates you, or loyal and saved.

I think it's just a build up to ME3, where we can decide on what they should do, or which admiral to support and that option is strengthened or weakened based on what happened in the trial.

Top.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 14 juillet 2010 - 06:11 .

[Phil725]

Someone With Mass wrote...

jtav wrote...

Does anyone know what variables are stored for import to ME3 when it comes to Tali's trial? Does it matter if you told the admirals to go to war? Will handing over the evidence have consequences beyond ME2?

No, sorry.

But I wouldn't like it if the whole decision of going to war or not rested on those few words at the end of the trial.

I think it's based mostly on how the trial ended. Like if Tali was exiled but loyal, exiled and hates you, or loyal and saved.

I think it's just a build up to ME3, where we can decide on what they should do, or which admiral to support and that option is strenghtened or weakened based on what happened in the trial.

Top.

Yeah, I don't expect any ME2 choices to have consequences outside of small dialogue tweaks, but even if there was complete continuity, I would hardly expect the go to war/don't line to affect anything.  Its just a one liner thrown in by an outsider at the end of a trial, hardly something to sway an entire people's politics.

Now breaking the fleet into factions by giving them the data, that should have effects in ME3 (though it won't.)

[jtav]

So I can probably get away with only three playthroughs.

1. Exiled

2. Hand over evidence

3. Found innocent via persuasion on rallying the crowd

[Phil725]

jtav wrote...

So I can probably get away with only three playthroughs.
1. Exiled
2. Hand over evidence
3. Found innocent via persuasion on rallying the crowd

You have something against speaking on her defense?

[Someone With Mass]

I think it will be something like this:



Support Xen - Try to reprogram the geth with help from Rael's research.



Support Koris - Try to make peace with the geth with help from Legion.



Support Gerrel - Go to full scale war with the geth and try to take back the homeworld by force.

[Titanium Man]

I don't even think Tali's trial let me rally the crowd! I can't remember. But I don't mind having Tali exiled for story purposes. Potential barganing chip for ME3 and it makes the plot more interesting. Now my Shepard CAN'T let her go. He's become responsible for her health now.

[Ormagodenator]

jtav wrote...

So I can probably get away with only three playthroughs.
1. Exiled
2. Hand over evidence
3. Found innocent via persuasion on rallying the crowd

she could die in the final mission if you hand over the evidence

[Phil725]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I think it will be something like this:

Support Xen - Try to reprogram the geth with help from Rael's research.

Support Koris - Try to make peace with the geth with help from Legion.

Support Gerrel - Go to full scale war with the geth and try to take back the homeworld by force.

I'd like that actually, it would be a lot more interesting than the diverging paths to the same resolution (peace) that I see happening.  I still don't see how Bioware could possibly justify a war option though, unless they set up an obvious failShep path

[Savakka1]

Titanium Man wrote...

I don't even think Tali's trial let me rally the crowd! I can't remember. But I don't mind having Tali exiled for story purposes. Potential barganing chip for ME3 and it makes the plot more interesting. Now my Shepard CAN'T let her go. He's become responsible for her health now.

After reading that Redtracer7's miniFic on consequences of Tali getting exiled...

I'm just not willing to do it anymore at all.

[NuclearBuddha]

Titanium Man wrote...
I don't even think Tali's trial let me rally the crowd! I can't remember. But I don't mind having Tali exiled for story purposes. Potential barganing chip for ME3 and it makes the plot more interesting. Now my Shepard CAN'T let her go. He's become responsible for her health now.

Kal has to survive and Veetor has to be sane for the Rally option.

Story option be damned.  Having Tali exiled is nothing short of selfish, given that anyone, paragon, renegade, or neutral can save her.  I'd prefer for her to have a choice in where she goes, rather than have her be trapped aboard the Normandy.

Edit:  \\/\\/\\/\\/  This, too.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 14 juillet 2010 - 06:22 .

[Ormagodenator]

Titanium Man wrote...

I don't even think Tali's trial let me rally the crowd! I can't remember. But I don't mind having Tali exiled for story purposes. Potential barganing chip for ME3 and it makes the plot more interesting. Now my Shepard CAN'T let her go. He's become responsible for her health now.

you rally the crowd by talking to the admirals, Veetor, and Kal, before going to kill the Geth

[NuclearBuddha]

Ormagodenator wrote...

jtav wrote...
So I can probably get away with only three playthroughs.
1. Exiled
2. Hand over evidence
3. Found innocent via persuasion on rallying the crowd

she could die in the final mission if you hand over the evidence

It's very likely, actually.  Almost like she just doesn't want to live.

[Someone With Mass]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Kal has to survive and Veetor has to be sane for the Rally option.

Story option be damned.  Having Tali exiled is nothing short of selfish, given that anyone, paragon, renegade, or neutral can save her.  I'd prefer for her to have a choice in where she goes, rather than have her be trapped aboard the Normandy.

I totally agree.

[Savakka1]

NuclearBuddha wrote...
Kal has to survive and Veetor has to be sane for the Rally option.

Story option be damned.  Having Tali exiled is nothing short of selfish, given that anyone, paragon, renegade, or neutral can save her.  I'd prefer for her to have a choice in where she goes, rather than have her be trapped aboard the Normandy.

I like the sound of this. I approve.

Modifié par Savakka1, 14 juillet 2010 - 06:24 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Savakka1 wrote...
I like the sound of this. I approve.

I bust it out anytime someone talks about her being exiled.  Heh.

[Someone With Mass]

Phil725 wrote...

I'd like that actually, it would be a lot more interesting than the diverging paths to the same resolution (peace) that I see happening.  I still don't see how Bioware could possibly justify a war option though, unless they set up an obvious failShep path

Possibly. They have to make it so those who can't import (shame upon thee) can play and finish the game, but in a less satisfactory manner.

[NCLanceman]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Kal has to survive and Veetor has to be sane for the Rally option.

Story option be damned.  Having Tali exiled is nothing short of selfish, given that anyone, paragon, renegade, or neutral can save her.  I'd prefer for her to have a choice in where she goes, rather than have her be trapped aboard the Normandy.

Easy Nuke. Any Shepard that let that happen didn't deserve her anyway.

Well that, and one could also bank that if Noir happened, she honestly didn't want to go back to the fleet anyway. In which case, if that Shepard didn't hook up with her... well, I have no words. He'd just be a terrible person.

[jtav]

Phil725 wrote...

jtav wrote...

So I can probably get away with only three playthroughs.
1. Exiled
2. Hand over evidence
3. Found innocent via persuasion on rallying the crowd

You have something against speaking on her defense?

Huh? I covered that w/ #3

[Formis_Sage]

jtav wrote...

Does anyone know what variables are stored for import to ME3 when it comes to Tali's trial? Does it matter if you told the admirals to go to war? Will handing over the evidence have consequences beyond ME2?

I don't think that telling them to go/don't go to war will have some some influence especially when it comes from Human.

If you tell them about the evidence, they will split on more factions, one wants to go to war, one wants to get the Geth under control.....(Political ****storm) and that is something that should definitely affect events in ME3.
If you don't, they will stay united (At least we can hope for that)

[Titanium Man]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Titanium Man wrote...
I don't even think Tali's trial let me rally the crowd! I can't remember. But I don't mind having Tali exiled for story purposes. Potential barganing chip for ME3 and it makes the plot more interesting. Now my Shepard CAN'T let her go. He's become responsible for her health now.

Kal has to survive and Veetor has to be sane for the Rally option.

Story option be damned.  Having Tali exiled is nothing short of selfish, given that anyone, paragon, renegade, or neutral can save her.  I'd prefer for her to have a choice in where she goes, rather than have her be trapped aboard the Normandy.

They were.

Also, don't lecture me.  She said she didn't mind being exiled to protect her father's legacy.  And I play ME to craft a story with my character.  Conflict is interesting.  This creates conflict.  Now the challenge is for Shepard to either find a way to reverse this error or to compensate the best he can for someone he cares for.  That's fun for me.  It doesn't mean I don't care about Tali.  But I ran with her exile because it's story potential.

[NuclearBuddha]

jtav wrote...
Does anyone know what variables are stored for import to ME3 when it comes to Tali's trial? Does it matter if you told the admirals to go to war? Will handing over the evidence have consequences beyond ME2?

I was a little concerned about this, but seeing as how it doesn't even affect the quarian chatter post-trial, I don't bother giving them advice on what to do.  I just say something possessive about Tali instead. 

[jtav]

And you can always RP it as Shep failing his Charm check and having no choice but to let her go into exile.

[Someone With Mass]

Titanium Man wrote...

They were.

Also, don't lecture me.  She said she didn't mind being exiled to protect her father's legacy.  And I play ME to craft a story with my character.  Conflict is interesting.  This creates conflict.  Now the challenge is for Shepard to either find a way to reverse this error or to compensate the best he can for someone he cares for.  That's fun for me.  It doesn't mean I don't care about Tali.  But I ran with her exile because it's story potential.

That's acceptable.

But you might shoot yourself in the foot for doing so in ME3.

Who knows...

[Formis_Sage]

Someone With Mass wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Kal has to survive and Veetor has to be sane for the Rally option.

Story option be damned.  Having Tali exiled is nothing short of selfish, given that anyone, paragon, renegade, or neutral can save her.  I'd prefer for her to have a choice in where she goes, rather than have her be trapped aboard the Normandy.

I totally agree.

I can sign under this too.