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[Phil725]

jtav wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

jtav wrote...

So I can probably get away with only three playthroughs.
1. Exiled
2. Hand over evidence
3. Found innocent via persuasion on rallying the crowd

You have something against speaking on her defense?

Huh? I covered that w/ #3

Rallying the crowd and Shep speaking on Tali's defense aren't the same thing.  One is Shep speaking for her, the other is Kal and Veetor speaking for her.  Same result, but different path there.  Just seemed odd for you to skip the obvious resolution path.

*top*

Modifié par Phil725, 14 juillet 2010 - 06:31 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Titanium Man wrote...
Also, don't lecture me.

But... but... it's what I do...

(also, you voiced an opinion, and I voiced a counter-opinion.  Almost like it's a forum or something.  LOL)

She said she didn't mind being exiled to protect her father's legacy.  And I play ME to craft a story with my character.  Conflict is interesting.  This creates conflict.  Now the challenge is for Shepard to either find a way to reverse this error or to compensate the best he can for someone he cares for.  That's fun for me.  It doesn't mean I don't care about Tali.  But I ran with her exile because it's story potential.

Oh, I understand.  I just don't approve.  There will be conflict aplenty in ME3 anyway, I suspect.

[Titanium Man]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Titanium Man wrote...

They were.

Also, don't lecture me.  She said she didn't mind being exiled to protect her father's legacy.  And I play ME to craft a story with my character.  Conflict is interesting.  This creates conflict.  Now the challenge is for Shepard to either find a way to reverse this error or to compensate the best he can for someone he cares for.  That's fun for me.  It doesn't mean I don't care about Tali.  But I ran with her exile because it's story potential.

That's acceptable.

But you might shoot yourself in the foot for doing so in ME3.

Who knows...

This is why I hope the peace with the geth is a bargaining chip.  It would be a great resolution and totally in my Shepard's character to use.

[NuclearBuddha]

Calinstel wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Ormagodenator wrote...
she could die in the final mission if you hand over the evidence

It's very likely, actually.  Almost like she just doesn't want to live.

UNACCEPTABLE!

Agree.

[Formis_Sage]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Ormagodenator wrote...

jtav wrote...
So I can probably get away with only three playthroughs.
1. Exiled
2. Hand over evidence
3. Found innocent via persuasion on rallying the crowd

she could die in the final mission if you hand over the evidence

It's very likely, actually.  Almost like she just doesn't want to live.

I've never tried to give them the evidence and never will.
See Tali broken and upset is beyond my strenght.

[NuclearBuddha]

Formis_Sage wrote...
I've never tried to give them the evidence and never will.
See Tali broken and upset is beyond my strenght.

It takes a heart like a block of frozen methane to ignore her "Shepard, please..." right before you make that choice.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 14 juillet 2010 - 06:35 .

[Someone With Mass]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Ormagodenator wrote...
she could die in the final mission if you hand over the evidence

It's very likely, actually.  Almost like she just doesn't want to live.

UNACCEPTABLE!

Agree.

I've heard her dialogues if that happens(on youtube), and it's most unpleasant.

No mercy on your soul if you choose this path.

[jtav]

Phil725 , that's because of a typo. "Persuasion or rallying the crowd"



And I ship Tali/Kal, so I prefer the rally. (FemShep player)

[NuclearBuddha]

Is there even a way to keep her alive in the suicide mission non-loyal? Do you have to buffer her with non-loyal Mordin during the hold the line bit or something?

[jtav]

I think having Grunt and Garrus hold the line means she'll survive.



I want to hear this famed depressing dialogue...

[Formis_Sage]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
I'd like that actually, it would be a lot more interesting than the diverging paths to the same resolution (peace) that I see happening.  I still don't see how Bioware could possibly justify a war option though, unless they set up an obvious failShep path

Possibly. They have to make it so those who can't import (shame upon thee) can play and finish the game, but in a less satisfactory manner.

Well, I think that ME's potential lies especialy in choices you make and their consequences you must bear.
So you have some custom Shepard in ME2 and ME3 but you will truly enjoy the game only if you buy all of them and make your own choices. I think that's what is BW trying to accomplish.

[Ormagodenator]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Is there even a way to keep her alive in the suicide mission non-loyal? Do you have to buffer her with non-loyal Mordin during the hold the line bit or something?

as much as I wish there was a way to keep non-loyal Tali alive,
I don't think it's possible.

[Someone With Mass]

jtav wrote...

Phil725 , that's because of a typo. "Persuasion or rallying the crowd"

And I ship Tali/Kal, so I prefer the rally. (FemShep player)

I've heard that there are different dialogues for the Paragon/Renegade choices if you don't talk to the admirals before going to the Alarei.

Still, rallying the crowd is not a bad option. It does the job if you don't have enough points to do something else. And Kal and Veetor gets to stand in the spotlight for a few moments, too.

[Formis_Sage]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Formis_Sage wrote...
I've never tried to give them the evidence and never will.
See Tali broken and upset is beyond my strenght.

It takes a heart like a block of frozen methane to ignore her "Shepard, please..." right before you make that choice.

Indeed.

[Titanium Man]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I've heard that there are different dialogues for the Paragon/Renegade choices if you don't talk to the admirals before going to the Alarei.

Still, rallying the crowd is not a bad option. It does the job if you don't have enough points to do something else. And Kal and Veetor gets to stand in the spotlight for a few moments, too.

See, I didn't talk to the admirals, so I think I couldn't use the geth war junk to my advantage.  I thought I had to rumble and roll to get there fast...ah, well.

Also, Kal'Reegar is a badass so I like seeing him in any action.

[Formis_Sage]

Someone With Mass wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Ormagodenator wrote...
she could die in the final mission if you hand over the evidence

It's very likely, actually.  Almost like she just doesn't want to live.

UNACCEPTABLE!

Agree.

I've heard her dialogues if that happens(on youtube), and it's most unpleasant.

No mercy on your soul if you choose this path.

Did you see a video posted one time in thread where some guy was breaking up with Tali in all phases of their relationship and enjoying it?
I hate him even now. <_<

Modifié par Formis_Sage, 14 juillet 2010 - 06:42 .

[Someone With Mass]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Is there even a way to keep her alive in the suicide mission non-loyal? Do you have to buffer her with non-loyal Mordin during the hold the line bit or something?

Well, if you have her in your squad...no, then she'll die on the platform...

Tough one.

Well, good thing that I'll never be in that situation, then.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 14 juillet 2010 - 06:47 .

[NuclearBuddha]

jtav wrote...
I think having Grunt and Garrus hold the line means she'll survive.

I want to hear this famed depressing dialogue...

Zaeed, too, to be safe, I imagine.  I've heard of people losing Mordin even with all the sides of beef on the line.  But if Mordin is loyal, non-loyal Tali is first on the chopping block, I think.

I just don't know.  And have no interest in testing it.

[Formis_Sage]

Someone With Mass wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
Is there even a way to keep her alive in the suicide mission non-loyal? Do you have to buffer her with non-loyal Mordin during the hold the line bit or something?

Well, if you have her in your squad...no, then she'll die on th platfrom...

Tough one.

Well, good thing that I'll never be in that situation, then.

I think nobody here (I hope)

[Phil725]

Formis_Sage wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
I'd like that actually, it would be a lot more interesting than the diverging paths to the same resolution (peace) that I see happening.  I still don't see how Bioware could possibly justify a war option though, unless they set up an obvious failShep path

Possibly. They have to make it so those who can't import (shame upon thee) can play and finish the game, but in a less satisfactory manner.

Well, I think that ME's potential lies especialy in choices you make and their consequences you must bear.
So you have some custom Shepard in ME2 and ME3 but you will truly enjoy the game only if you buy all of them and make your own choices. I think that's what is BW trying to accomplish.

After seeing the failShep they gave you for ME2, I'm sure that you will need to have the other games to fully enjoy the third.  That said, I also can't see them denying endings because of not having the other games.  The big choices that affect the story will probably be made in ME3.  That's the line that Bioware has to toe really.  Make it worth it to play the other games, without making it necessary.

[NuclearBuddha]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Well, if you have her in your squad...no, then she'll die on th platfrom...

Tough one.

Well, good thing that I'll never be in that situation, then.

OH!  Maybe don't recruit her until after Omega 4 and then jack up her loyalty mission?

Edit:  Wait, why am I even trying to figure this out?

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 14 juillet 2010 - 06:45 .

[Someone With Mass]

Formis_Sage wrote...

Did you see a video posted one time in thread where some guy was breaking up with Tali in all phases of their relationship and enjoying it?
I hate him even now. <_<

No, I don't think so. Even if someone did, I wouldn't watch them, because I know what happens. Tali will be sad and depressed and talks in that low and not-caring tone that can shatter diamonds. That's more than enough to keep me away.

[Formis_Sage]

Calinstel wrote...

Formis_Sage wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
Is there even a way to keep her alive in the suicide mission non-loyal? Do you have to buffer her with non-loyal Mordin during the hold the line bit or something?

Well, if you have her in your squad...no, then she'll die on th platfrom...

Tough one.

Well, good thing that I'll never be in that situation, then.

I think nobody here (I hope)

There are some heartless souls here that have done it for 'research'.  Yeah right. 

Why, there is youtube, they can watch whatever they want. <_<