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[RiptideX1090]

Collider wrote...

To put a little context, I look at what they did with Liara and then think that they could possible add death in Tali's story to make her "darker." Like the writers would think it clever and surprising to throw that wrench into the most "paragon" of female love interests and romances.

No.

[NCLanceman]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Tangential, but related. F- the "merge with AI" option in Deus Ex. F- it right in the bum. I'll be damned if I lose my humanity like that.

Because Denton totally had that much Humanity to begin with.

Though the "Merge with the AI" option in Invisible War freaked me out way more. It's not a big problem if the hero takes it upon himself to merge with the machine. Getting everyone to merge with the machine, however... plus, that ending was not the terribly happy future I was promised. I immediately restarted and handed the world over to the Illuminati.

[Someone With Mass]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Azint wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
Tangential, but related. F- the "merge with AI" option in Deus Ex. F- it right in the bum. I'll be damned if I lose my humanity like that.

Have you played System Shock 2?

But of course!

*snip*

Say hi to SHODAN!

[Collider]

Azint wrote...

Collider wrote...

Azint wrote...

It depends, many different factors to consider.

Consider:

a) Tali dies because you romanced her. She dies happy that you were with her though.
Tali gets shot by someone (hmm) in the Quarian related mission and is killed. Given a small mention after the completion of the mission.

I was leaning more towards how she was treated by the player:
-LI or not
-Advocating her during the trial
-Geth/Quarian conflict
-Placement in the story

That would, though, break apart the "invariability."

[RiptideX1090]

Azint wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Azint wrote...

Have you played System Shock 2?

But of course!

*snip*

I have not played Overlord yet, but I did make the Shodan connection a while ago.

no sprls plz

You'll love it.

It's easily on the same level as Bring Down the Sky.

[NCLanceman]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...

 ((Quietly Enters Via Back-Door))

Why do I suddenly have an image of Tali's posterior in my head...?

Why would it ever leave?

Modifié par NCLanceman, 15 juillet 2010 - 07:10 .

[RedTracer7]

Azint wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...

 ((Quietly Enters Via Back-Door))

Trouble, Red?

You ever blacked out for an hour, only to wake up with your avatar and signature all screwed up?

I hope nothing exciting happened.

[NuclearBuddha]

There was a terrifying silence, and then came the creature’s more terrifying reproduction of speech. Mere words are insufficient to describe the sheer, mind-blasting inhumanity of the intellect partially transmitted to our hearing by that repulsive buzzing. No trace of kindred emotion or sympathy could be detected, for truly it belonged to another world altogether, and its presence upon our planet was a crime against the cosmos. It told me that its captor, which I perceived to be M. Arterius, intended nothing short of enacting some unspeakable ritual which might somehow grant him sovereignty over the entire earth. This ritual, the thing hinted, would involve a terrible cataclysm leaving the disgraced officer to rule only a brutalized fragment of survivors. Its final warning was merely that our time was short.

The thing indicated that it would depart our world, borne away by its teeming spawn, but reserved one demand of us. Thus I was reminded that any deal for knowledge must carry a terrible price, especially if one desires comprehension beyond one’s means. The object of its horrific petition was its tormentor, Dr. Saleon. He, it intimated, would be conveyed to that nighted world in the orbit of Fomalhaut, where its abhorrent kin could study and make much of him. From the complete and utter terror in the doctor’s piteous wailings, he seemed incapable of imagining any horror to supersede this.

Gazing at Inspector Vakarian, I intuited that the constable was considering the idea, perhaps finding it a fitting punishment. However, too much bargaining with nightmares had taken place that night, so I shook my head, to which he replied only with a curt nod. Dr. Saleon’s grateful screams rose in a dizzying crescendo as the detective inspector turned the rifle on him and placed him beyond the reach of that thing from outside the gulf of the stars.

As I pen these words now at some remove, I am again struck by the thing from the steeple's last intelligible words to me. I had taken them as a warning, then, that M. Arterius was near to accomplishing his blasphemous goal. However, I now see that I was confused by the creature's inhuman, buzzing inflection. It was no warning, but rather an assessment of all life on our planet, reaching back into undreamed of pre-human cycles, and extending as far into the future as our pathetic scrap of matter might support what feeble life can exist in the face of the uncaring cosmos. Our time is short. I was soon to understand, much to my sorrow, the cause.

[Azint]

Collider wrote...

To put a little context, I look at what they did with Liara and then think that they could possible add death in Tali's story to make her "darker." Like the writers would think it clever and surprising to throw that wrench into the most "paragon" of female love interests and romances.

Well, Liara was the initial "most 'paragon'" LI, but look at what happened to her. I actually like Liara much better now as a character than I did before, I always felt she was too demure and inacapable of making her own bold decisions. Seeing her in ME2 really showed you how she has changed, Liara has become much more assertive and actually takes action unlike in the first game.

[RiptideX1090]

NCLanceman wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...

 ((Quietly Enters Via Back-Door))

Why do I suddenly have an image of Tali's posterior in my head...?

Why would it ever leave?

Good point.

Funny story, I was playing Mordin's loyalty mission earlier, and my ten year old cousin walks into the room. Upon getting a good few of Tali:

"She's an alien. She's got a nice butt."

I love my little cousin so much.

[Someone With Mass]

Collider wrote...

To put a little context, I look at what they did with Liara and then think that they could possible add death in Tali's story to make her "darker." Like the writers would think it clever and surprising to throw that wrench into the most "paragon" of female love interests and romances.

I don't see any good point in this.

[RedTracer7]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Good point.

Funny story, I was playing Mordin's loyalty mission earlier, and my ten year old cousin walks into the room. Upon getting a good few of Tali:

"She's an alien. She's got a nice butt."

I love my little cousin so much.

So what college is this 10 year old attending?  Because he is obviously a genius.  Good taste in his aliens!

Modifié par RedTracer7, 15 juillet 2010 - 07:11 .

[Someone With Mass]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

You'll love it.

It's easily on the same level as Bring Down the Sky.

Not when it comes to the "happy" ending, though.

[NuclearBuddha]

NCLanceman wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
Tangential, but related. F- the "merge with AI" option in Deus Ex. F- it right in the bum. I'll be damned if I lose my humanity like that.

Because Denton totally had that much Humanity to begin with.

He did.  Had a brother, had friends, a home, etc.

I join the Illuminati every damn time I play.  Humans should be ruled by their own kind.

[Azint]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

You'll love it.

It's easily on the same level as Bring Down the Sky.

Bring Down the Sky gave me these:
-The best omni-tool in the game, better for me because I roll Infiltrator.
-My first experience with Bioware DLC, settting standards.
-A newfound irrational hatred towards a fiction alien race.

[RiptideX1090]

RedTracer7 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Good point.

Funny story, I was playing Mordin's loyalty mission earlier, and my ten year old cousin walks into the room. Upon getting a good few of Tali:

"She's an alien. She's got a nice butt."

I love my little cousin so much.

So what college is this 10 year old attending?  Because he is obviously a genius.

Dude, this kid has been hitting on girls since he was four. Seriously. In a few years, I'm going to have to introduce him to the quarian pounce.

[NuclearBuddha]

And that's it for tonight. Thank you for your tolerance.

[Azint]

RedTracer7 wrote...

You ever blacked out for an hour, only to wake up with your avatar and signature all screwed up?

I hope nothing exciting happened.

I troped you. I still need to trope you some more, harder.

[Collider]

Azint wrote...

Collider wrote...
To put a little context, I look at what they did with Liara and then think that they could possible add death in Tali's story to make her "darker." Like the writers would think it clever and surprising to throw that wrench into the most "paragon" of female love interests and romances.

Well, Liara was the initial "most 'paragon'" LI, but look at what happened to her. I actually like Liara much better now as a character than I did before, I always felt she was too demure and inacapable of making her own bold decisions. Seeing her in ME2 really showed you how she has changed, Liara has become much more assertive and actually takes action unlike in the first game.

I did think that Liara lacked something in ME1. I spoke to Nightwriter in the group and she said that Kaidan and Liara in ME1 lacked something they really felt strongly about. I feel like this was true - so far as my possible fleeting memory would allow, anyway.

Part of the problem though, is that Liara's transition was a pretty harsh one. Rather than a nudge, it was like pushing her into a darker role.

Though thinking about this. Tali does not really have the same problems that ME1 Liara did. There is a certain amount of "darkness" regarding the trial evidence and her opinion of geth (and to a certain degree, her animosity towards Cerberus).

[RiptideX1090]

Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

You'll love it.

It's easily on the same level as Bring Down the Sky.

Bring Down the Sky gave me these:
-The best omni-tool in the game, better for me because I roll Infiltrator.
-My first experience with Bioware DLC, settting standards.
-A newfound irrational hatred towards a fiction alien race.

Overlord has a similar level structure, an interesting story, and you'll likely REALLY hate Cerberus when it's over.

Also, bet paragon interrupt in the game, sans Tali Hug.

[NuclearBuddha]

Azint wrote...
Bring Down the Sky gave me these:
-The best omni-tool in the game, better for me because I roll Infiltrator.
-My first experience with Bioware DLC, settting standards.
-A newfound irrational hatred towards a fiction alien race.

[Someone With Mass]

Azint wrote...

Bring Down the Sky gave me these:
-The best omni-tool in the game, better for me because I roll Infiltrator.
-My first experience with Bioware DLC, settting standards.
-A newfound irrational hatred towards a fiction alien race.

You can also get the Colossus armor for Tali.

[RiptideX1090]

Azint wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...

You ever blacked out for an hour, only to wake up with your avatar and signature all screwed up?

I hope nothing exciting happened.

I troped you. I still need to trope you some more, harder.

Mistress Xen Approves +20

[Azint]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

sovereignty

[solazz]

Azint wrote...
I troped you. I still need to trope you some more, harder.

You managed to make me cringe a little as I thought of someone physically troping someone else very hard.
I guess that's kinda my fault though, since I imagined it.