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[Phil725]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

The whole point of Shepard is to project what you want on him.  One person's Shep is concealing his problems, another can be Mr. Perfect, and another can have these problems, maybe discuss them with people off screen.  Its all about how you interpret it.  I'm for as little Bioware shaping Shepard as possible.  He's my character, and I don't need Bioware deciding that he has daddy issues or something.

Would be nice if they gave us the option to give him those kind of problems, though. That's pretty much why I cared about picking backgrounds. I want Shepard himself to show that he is a Spacer/War Hero, for example, and not some news reports or a psyche profile. 

I want it to be more than just text on a resume. Otherwise, there's almost no point in choosing backgrounds.

And I know that I should make up those kind of scenarios, like how he fought the batarians on Elysium, but...I want it to be shown in a good way in the game, so other characters and himself can go more deeply into it.

And not everyone wants to do that "Think up your Shepard's background story" thing.

What I'm basically interpreting this as is:  I want my Shep to have his own detailed story, but I don't want to make it up myself.  That just doesn't seem to be the way Bioware chose to go.  They give you a blank slate, with a basic starting template, and its up to you to fill in the rest.  If all you want to think about is that he was born on Earth and is a war hero, now ME1 starts, thats fine, but it doesn't make it so that nothing we don't see happened.

*top*

Modifié par Phil725, 17 juillet 2010 - 09:23 .

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

Collider wrote...
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Something similar to Shepard being able to choose what issues he has (or electing that he has none, or does not want to disclose them) would be fine, in my opinion. Did you have issues with the locker scene in ME1?

That seems to be getting to the point of game limitations to me.  Bioware can't let you canonically see everything that there is with Shepard.  Its up to you to decide what cereal he likes.

Well, of course something small like that is up to the player and should be up to the player.

I can't see how they could possibly implement a conversation where Shep could either be Mr. Perfect, or be a troubled badass who holds it all in, without directly talking to the player in a convoluted manner.

I thought the example in Jacob's romance was fine.

I'm fine with having this stuff happen offscreen personally.  If I want Shep to confide his problems in Tali, then it happened.

But that's just imaginary. Tali wouldn't actually be responding to those imaginations.

As far as the locker scene, I haven't seen it in a long time, but I hardly saw that as Bioware deciding anything for Shep.  It was just a basic reaction to what was going on, it could be taken plenty of ways.

Would you dissaprove if more scenarios like that were presented?

Modifié par Collider, 17 juillet 2010 - 09:27 .

[Someone With Mass]

Collider wrote...
But that's just imaginary. Tali wouldn't actually be responding to those imaginations.

Exactly. I think it feels better when Tali can talk back about the subject in the game.

[Phil725]

I thought the example in Jacob's romance was fine.

Haven't seen the scene, so can't comment.

But that's just imaginary. Tali wouldn't actually be responding to those imaginations.

Sure, but its a choice Bioware has to make, they could make Shep a detailed character who was born on Earth, fought in the Blitz and is a war hero, then rose up through the Alliance as a troubled person and whatever else, but they chose to go the other way.  Shep is a 29 year old Alliance soldier in ME1, and that's about it.  He's whatever the player wants him to be.  They seem to be taking careful steps throughout the game to not pidgeonhole him into one possible outcome.  You want him to be troubled, but what about the person who wants him to be Mr. Perfect?  Bioware has made it so you both can be right.  You have to make up stuff that isn't shown in game, because they purposely don't show you that much.

Would you disprove if more scenarios like that were presented?

A scene where Shep talks to Tali after a negative event?  I'd have no problem with that.  Though I have a feeling that you're assuming that this scene would entail a lot more about Shep than I'm assuming it would.  The whole issue with how Shep deals with his problems has too wide of a range to be dealt with in a dialogue tree conversation in my opinion.  If someone put it into script form in a believable manner as it would be presented in game then I could see it, but I can't see this conversation creating a canon version of Shep that doesn't fit someone.

[SpatFieya]

Hoopla!

[Phil725]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Collider wrote...
But that's just imaginary. Tali wouldn't actually be responding to those imaginations.

Exactly. I think it feels better when Tali can talk back about the subject in the game.

I fail to see how that's different from any other conversation really.  Maybe I have a better imagination than I give myself credit for, but I can see plenty of conversations between Tali and my Shepard that make me enjoy the game and general story more.  It doesn't matter that they aren't "real," because they're as real as anything else in my playthrough. 

No matter what Bioware does, there will be conversations that are left out, its a game after all, and there is only so many lines of dialogue.  Realistically, I don't expect a conversation as open ended and complex as a pseudo psychology session to be included, it doesn't translate to the format well.  Its not a topic that I find interesting personally, and I'm fine with just skipping it, but if I did want Shep and Tali to discuss it, the fact that one of the 3 conversations over a 6 month period that we see doesn't show it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[uhdnrt]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Collider wrote...
But that's just imaginary. Tali wouldn't actually be responding to those imaginations.

Exactly. I think it feels better when Tali can talk back about the subject in the game.

I see what you are doing.  A tali related example:  As a colonist, you lost your parents.  If, in ME3, Tali makes a comment about her father, you could have a dialogue option to mention the loss of Shepard's family.  When she inveitably asks how you handled it, you would have a few options for progressing the dialogue (paragon, renegade, and neutral, obviously).
Something like that?

[Someone With Mass]

uhdnrt wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Collider wrote...
But that's just imaginary. Tali wouldn't actually be responding to those imaginations.

Exactly. I think it feels better when Tali can talk back about the subject in the game.

I see what you are doing.  A tali related example:  As a colonist, you lost your parents.  If, in ME3, Tali makes a comment about her father, you could have a dialogue option to mention the loss of Shepard's family.  When she inveitably asks how you handled it, you would have a few options for progressing the dialogue (paragon, renegade, and neutral, obviously).
Something like that?

Yes! A very good example.

That's the kind of moment I want. Not so many of them, but at least one.

And even if I think that Bioware probably won't bother with it, it's good to have faith.

[Draco Spirit]

Collider wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Collider wrote...

For Jack, a shotgun that does more damage against organics as well as nonarmored targets.
For Garrus, the same but with a sniper rifle.
Zaeed would have his own assault rifle, with extra damage against armor.
Miranda a submachine gun with better accuracy and more damage against shields.
Mordin a submachine gun better against organics and unarmored targets.
Thane's would be a sniper rifle with more accuracy and firing range.
Jacob gets a shotgun that shoots the priiize

I don't think I can convince Jacob to do a Kurt Cobain.

Wouldn't hurt to try, though.

Jacob's not really that bad if he's not romanced. He's a good "bro" character, even if Garrus fits that role a bit better.

If he is romanced, you get to see all of the ugly underneath. He has some serious problems regarding baggage. He's quite insecure. He doesn't seem to like Garrus & Thane very much. That said, there were also some really great things about his romance. But of course, the negatives overshadow the good.

One of good things about his romance was that he asked how Shepard was. Instead of being action hero with absolutely no issues, Shepard could vent about feeling burdened, lonely, or suffering from survivor's guilt. The other romances could do well from that sort of thing - including Tali's.

That was the one thing I wish all of the other romances has too... was them talking about Shepard, developing the player character a bit. On that much, we definately agree.

I would like to hear Tali ask how Shepard is. That would be quite sweet.

Romance dependent side comment maybe?

Tali: Shepard, you know I still love you even if you have five digits

[Draco Spirit]

uhdnrt wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Collider wrote...
But that's just imaginary. Tali wouldn't actually be responding to those imaginations.

Exactly. I think it feels better when Tali can talk back about the subject in the game.

I see what you are doing.  A tali related example:  As a colonist, you lost your parents.  If, in ME3, Tali makes a comment about her father, you could have a dialogue option to mention the loss of Shepard's family.  When she inveitably asks how you handled it, you would have a few options for progressing the dialogue (paragon, renegade, and neutral, obviously).
Something like that?

That would be a nice way to handle things wouldn't it? A way to highlight that Shepard in a romance rather trying to get into one.

<3

[nitefyre410]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Collider wrote...

For Jack, a shotgun that does more damage against organics as well as nonarmored targets.
For Garrus, the same but with a sniper rifle.
Zaeed would have his own assault rifle, with extra damage against armor.
Miranda a submachine gun with better accuracy and more damage against shields.
Mordin a submachine gun better against organics and unarmored targets.
Thane's would be a sniper rifle with more accuracy and firing range.
Jacob gets a shotgun that shoots the priiize

I don't think I can convince Jacob to do a Kurt Cobain.

Wouldn't hurt to try, though.

 


If you were trying to be funny dude that was not funny and it was is bad taste I  expect better from  you in terms of the insults.   

[uhdnrt]

Not necessarily in a romance though. I could see a conversation between Garrus and a Sole Survivor Shep, especially after ME2. Between Jack and an Earthborn Shep. A really interesting one between Ruthless Shep and Samara. Grunt and War Hero Shep.  Oh, and Spacer Shep and Jacob.  Can't forget that one.

An in game conversation of how this could work is with Ashley. At different points, you can comment about being a spacer. At another point, she asks about Sheps belief in God.

Conversations like that both flesh out the character and make the game feel more real.

Modifié par uhdnrt, 17 juillet 2010 - 10:22 .

[nitefyre410]

Collider wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Collider wrote...

For Jack, a shotgun that does more damage against organics as well as nonarmored targets.
For Garrus, the same but with a sniper rifle.
Zaeed would have his own assault rifle, with extra damage against armor.
Miranda a submachine gun with better accuracy and more damage against shields.
Mordin a submachine gun better against organics and unarmored targets.
Thane's would be a sniper rifle with more accuracy and firing range.
Jacob gets a shotgun that shoots the priiize

I don't think I can convince Jacob to do a Kurt Cobain.

Wouldn't hurt to try, though.

Jacob's not really that bad if he's not romanced. He's a good "bro" character, even if Garrus fits that role a bit better.

If he is romanced, you get to see all of the ugly underneath. He has some serious problems regarding baggage. He's quite insecure. He doesn't seem to like Garrus & Thane very much. That said, there were also some really great things about his romance. But of course, the negatives overshadow the good.

One of good things about his romance was that he asked how Shepard was. Instead of being action hero with absolutely no issues, Shepard could vent about feeling burdened, lonely, or suffering from survivor's guilt. The other romances could do well from that sort of thing - including Tali's.

   


Really   wow  I really might romance him on female shepherd  i have bouncing back between him and Garrus. I have to make a choice soon... this  aspect of the Jacob Characters intrigues me. I always knew he was not a bad guy but did have  some **** with him anyone the works  Black-ops like he did has the demons they carry around. 

[Someone With Mass]

uhdnrt wrote...

Not necessarily in a romance though. I could see a conversation between Garrus and a Sole Survivor Shep, especially after ME2. Between Jack and an Earthborn Shep. A really interesting one between Ruthless Shep and Samara. Grunt and War Hero Shep.

This would work just wonderfully.

[nitefyre410]

uhdnrt wrote...

Not necessarily in a romance though. I could see a conversation between Garrus and a Sole Survivor Shep, especially after ME2. Between Jack and an Earthborn Shep. A really interesting one between Ruthless Shep and Samara. Grunt and War Hero Shep.

   

Oh the Conversation between  Earthborn Shep and Jack would be a riot.  Jack going about what He/she doesn't know and  finally Shep  opens the door shows a little of what he/she carries  everyday.    

[Someone With Mass]

nitefyre410 wrote...

If you were trying to be funny dude that was not funny and it was is bad taste I  expect better from  you in terms of the insults.   

In that case, it was neither an attempt of being funny nor an insult.

I wish he could just off himself and give some space to people I actually give a damn about.

[nitefyre410]

uhdnrt wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Collider wrote...
But that's just imaginary. Tali wouldn't actually be responding to those imaginations.

Exactly. I think it feels better when Tali can talk back about the subject in the game.

I see what you are doing.  A tali related example:  As a colonist, you lost your parents.  If, in ME3, Tali makes a comment about her father, you could have a dialogue option to mention the loss of Shepard's family.  When she inveitably asks how you handled it, you would have a few options for progressing the dialogue (paragon, renegade, and neutral, obviously).
Something like that?

 


You know I said something like that a while back. I always though each origin for Shepherd should give him or her different response for different  situations   I always thought that Earthborn Shep  should be able  relate with Jack  from running the streets. I mean really running the streets,  drugs, violence,  sex, murder, rape,  corrupt  cops,  all the nasty crap that goes on.   As way to show Jack if he made it out of that  and not be controlled by his past.  She can do the same too. 

[nitefyre410]

Someone With Mass wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

If you were trying to be funny dude that was not funny and it was is bad taste I  expect better from  you in terms of the insults.   

In that case, it was neither an attempt of being funny nor an insult.

I wish he could just off himself and give some space to people I actually give a damn about.

  

*sigh*... i just don't have the energy to fight that fight right now.  Alright  you  don't like him I can live that  you know  from me already. The  suicide thing hit a old well healed wound that tends to be tender  every now  and then...  Don't let it bother  you.. nothing personal. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 17 juillet 2010 - 10:53 .

[Andaius20]

Particle beam Tali, is writing her name. In her foes.

[TTTX]

can't stay long but I have found some polls with Tali.

http://social.biowar...244/polls/8172/


http://social.biowar...244/polls/8177/

[nitefyre410]

Andaius20 wrote...


Particle beam Tali, is writing her name. In her foes.

   

you PC people are your mods... 

[Andaius20]

then you'll like these nite!

[nitefyre410]

Andaius20 wrote...

then you'll like these nite!

  


Tali with a Claymore  now that is funny.   I can see it now. 

Merc: Aww whats this little  Quarian gonna do 

Tali: *pulls out claymore* This 

Merc: oh shi.. *one really loud bang* 

[Andaius20]

She always tells people she has a shotgun you know.... Not her fault they don't believe her. *points to Garrus* he shut up fast because he has past experience working with her.