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[Seth Burns]

Pacifien wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
True, but even before that, on Haestrom, she's questioning the point of the Admiralty sacrificing all those lives for science data.

The conversation with Kal'Reegar later on does indicate the threat is very real for whatever unknown reasons. We won't know why until ME3 probably. If we're lucky.

Unless we all die by the sun exploding for unknown reasons, then Bioware would never be able to make the game and we would all live in suspense for the rest of our afterlife. And not the bar either.

[Titanium Man]

NCLanceman wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
*snip*

Oh, how nice!

Oh you.

If my Shepard has to lose Tali, I would be fine losing to a badass like Kal'Reegar.

[Pacifien]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
Interesting to think about what would have happened had Tali been in the Migrant Fleet when the events of the Alarei happened. Easy to blame someone from afar versus one standing right before you.

Would be pretty hard to accuse someone of bringing geth material, when they've been on the flotilla for quite some time before it happened.

I assume the quarians go out on missions and return to the Migrant Fleet in between missions, much as Kal'Reegar did.

[RiptideX1090]

Pacifien wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
Would she have stood by Shepard? Or Rael, if she had to choose?

Entirely dependent on character development, I think. Her time with Shepard on the SR-2 I think changes her character enough that she'd stand by Shepard. Without that time, though, I think she'd have stood by Rael'Zorah.

Maybe.

Though, this is the same girl that was taking on suicide missions for the fleet, several of which went into geth space, possibly just to impress Rael. That's a hard one, I think...

[NuclearBuddha]

RiptideX1090 wrote...
Makes you wonder...

Would she have stood by Shepard? Or Rael, if she had to choose?

Good question.  Probably not Rael.  What he was doing on the Alarei seems to be a bridge too far when she discovers it posthumously.  If he was alive to explain himself, it might have been different, but there's not really any indication.

Actually, since she obliquely opposes brainwashing on Legion's loyalty mission, that seems to be better evidence that she wouldn't support what her dad was doing.

Also:

[Someone With Mass]

Andaius20 wrote...

Indeed, we get quite a few foreshadows of this "dark matter".

I think it's the Reapers.

What can someone possibly gain from destroying the entire system?

All they can gather after the sun has gone boom that has some value is element zero.

And the Reapers loves that stuff.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 19 juillet 2010 - 06:36 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Pacifien wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
True, but even before that, on Haestrom, she's questioning the point of the Admiralty sacrificing all those lives for science data.

The conversation with Kal'Reegar later on does indicate the threat is very real for whatever unknown reasons. We won't know why until ME3 probably. If we're lucky.

I'm not understanding what you're reading into.

[RiptideX1090]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
Makes you wonder...

Would she have stood by Shepard? Or Rael, if she had to choose?

Good question.  Probably not Rael.  What he was doing on the Alarei seems to be a bridge too far when she discovers it posthumously.  If he was alive to explain himself, it might have been different, but there's not really any indication.

Actually, since she obliquely opposes brainwashing on Legion's loyalty mission, that seems to be better evidence that she wouldn't support what her dad was doing.

Also:

Yeah, but it's different when the father who never told you he loved you, who you spent a life time trying to make happy, is telling you it will give you back a homeworld, that he's doing it for you, to build you a home. It's a shame Rael was dead when we got there... could have been very interesting.

[NuclearBuddha]

RiptideX1090 wrote...
Yeah, but it's different when the father who never told you he loved you, who you spent a life time trying to make happy, is telling you it will give you back a homeworld, that he's doing it for you, to build you a home. It's a shame Rael was dead when we got there... could have been very interesting.

She knew already that he was promising her a house on the homeworld.  And she says after the trial that it's not what she wanted.

[Pacifien]

RiptideX1090 wrote...
Though, this is the same girl that was taking on suicide missions for the fleet, several of which went into geth space, possibly just to impress Rael. That's a hard one, I think...

That's why I think she'd have stuck by Rael. The impetus for anything she does seems to be in the hopes she meets her father's demands. Her time with Shepard breaks her free of that mentality.

Non sequitur, Inception is a good movie. Actually, that's not a non sequitur at all.

[Titanium Man]

RiptideX1090 wrote...
Yeah, but it's different when the father who never told you he loved you, who you spent a life time trying to make happy, is telling you it will give you back a homeworld, that he's doing it for you, to build you a home. It's a shame Rael was dead when we got there... could have been very interesting.

Damn you, Well Done Daughter Guy!

[Pacifien]

NuclearBuddha wrote...
I'm not understanding what you're reading into.

The sacrifice is worth it. She questions the Admiralty at first, but had she returned to the Fleet to see the followup on the research as Kal'Reegar did, she might have thought differently. The dark energy threat is sprinkled all over the game, not just the Haestrom mission.

[Porcupinetheater]

Seth Burns wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
True, but even before that, on Haestrom, she's questioning the point of the Admiralty sacrificing all those lives for science data.

The conversation with Kal'Reegar later on does indicate the threat is very real for whatever unknown reasons. We won't know why until ME3 probably. If we're lucky.

Unless we all die by the sun exploding for unknown reasons, then Bioware would never be able to make the game and we would all live in suspense for the rest of our afterlife. And not the bar either.

My God that would suck. We better tell the sun to hold on for a couple more years

[NuclearBuddha]

Pacifien wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
I'm not understanding what you're reading into.

The sacrifice is worth it. She questions the Admiralty at first, but had she returned to the Fleet to see the followup on the research as Kal'Reegar did, she might have thought differently. The dark energy threat is sprinkled all over the game, not just the Haestrom mission.

OH!  Sorry, I thought you were saying something else.  Sure, sure.  It's enough to demonstrate that she is at least conflicted.

[NCLanceman]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Yeah, but it's different when the father who never told you he loved you, who you spent a life time trying to make happy, is telling you it will give you back a homeworld, that he's doing it for you, to build you a home. It's a shame Rael was dead when we got there... could have been very interesting.

Tali: Father!
Rael: *breathes* Tali...
*The two embrace, Tali with enthusiasm, Rael with the kind of awkwardness only possible from inexperience*
Tali: Um... Shepard? This is my father, Rael'Zorah vas Rayya. Father, this is Shepard vas Normandy.
Rael: It's a pleasure... have we met?
Shepard: Uh... no, I don't think so. *rubs the back of his neck*
*Tali picks up on Shepard's tell, but says nothing.*
Shepard: So, about these geth...

[NuclearBuddha]

Man, why can I never find this pic when I need it? Anyway, NCL, this is for you:



Edit:  for the earlier pics, that is.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 19 juillet 2010 - 06:42 .

[RobotNixon]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Man, why can I never find this pic when I need it? Anyway, NCL, this is for you:



Edit:  for the earlier pics, that is.

I knew this would come in handy someday.
For the life of me I'm not sure why no one used it when I was writing that creepy pasta.

[Andaius20]

I agree that Tali only seems to agree to bring back Geth parts to testing weapons against geth defenses. She's ok with battle and war, but not torture and brainwashing.

[NuclearBuddha]

NCLanceman wrote...
Rael: It's a pleasure... have we met?
Shepard: Uh... no, I don't think so. *rubs the back of his neck*
*Tali picks up on Shepard's tell, but says nothing.*
Shepard: So, about these geth...

Rael's probably changed suits at least once in the last 9(?) years.  It'd be tough to tell.

[NuclearBuddha]

RobotNixon wrote...
I knew this would come in handy someday.
For the life of me I'm not sure why no one used it when I was writing that creepy pasta.

I couldn't find it!  Otherwise, yeah, it'd have been deployed.

[RobotNixon]

Someone With Mass wrote...

RobotNixon wrote...

Just finished Tali's loyalty mission again, and I'm surprised to see that there's still new dialog to be found.

I've run through the game about 50 times and it still feels brand new.

I usually stick with what's safe.

Getting ideas on that kind of mission can end up badly.

Especially with Shepard who likes to just spit out what he thinks without a second thought of how the world around him is going to react to it.

Well, that's kind of the point.

You're supposed to think for Shepard.

[Someone With Mass]

Porcupinetheater wrote...

My God that would suck. We better tell the sun to hold on for a couple more years

Don't worry. It took the sun a few hundred years to get where it's now. That thing won't go to sleep for at least another hundred years.

Stars can't die in just a couple of years, no matter how much deus ex machina you inject into their interiors.

[Porcupinetheater]

Andaius20 wrote...

I agree that Tali only seems to agree to bring back Geth parts to testing weapons against geth defenses. She's ok with battle and war, but not torture and brainwashing.

Battle and War give everyone an equal chance. She hates the geth, but she doesn't exactly want to see suffering. Tali isn't cruel.

[Porcupinetheater]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Porcupinetheater wrote...

My God that would suck. We better tell the sun to hold on for a couple more years

Don't worry. It took the sun a few hundred years to get where it's now. That thing won't go to sleep for at least another hundred years.

Stars can't die in just a couple of years, no matter how much deus ex machina you inject into their interiors.

Yeah, I still think Earth'll get a couple billion more years of sunshine

[Pacifien]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Don't worry. It took the sun a few hundred years to get where it's now. That thing won't go to sleep for at least another hundred years.

Stars can't die in just a couple of years, no matter how much deus ex machina you inject into their interiors.

Stars don't die in a few hundred years either. Deus ex machina is well in the realm of possibility in this case.

Red giants don't explode anyway.